mal3volent
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Not at all, for your equivalence to make sense they need to be profiting. That's what conservative grifters do, they profit on it. That's the entire thing that makes them grifters
Jabberwocky
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Yeah, IDK. I don't even think there is a correct answer to that.
Tell them to evacuate then bomb it?
Easier said than done.When I was a child my best friend's grandma was a holocaust survivor, and survived one of the notorious "Death Marches". She was one of the kindest women I've ever met. I wonder what she would say to all this. I think the vast majority of Jews aren't exactly cheering on the killing of civilians.
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in general yes, I do think there are a lot of people who are profiting. Perhaps not in actual money but certainly in social currency.
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Tell them to evacuate then bomb it?
They try that.
Thing about hospitals is it's not easy to evacuate or relocate. Hamas could make it happen, but they'd lose their leverage. That's the whole reason they're there in the first place.
The only ones doing that are Hamas and the Hamas apologists. Those on the street protesting with chants of gas the Jews. And swastikas.
Jabberwocky
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I'm not exactly well read on the current issues/timelines, but I think "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" are being tossed around way too quickly and frivolously.
They did not completely shut off the water supply, only limited it, and as far as I'm aware no Palestinians are currently dying of thirst or hunger. It's cruel, probably unwarranted, but it's not exactly genocide by definition of the word (yet). I think everyone on social media screaming about genocide is almost a mockery of actual genocides that have occurred in the past.
I think Israel is being way too aggressive under the assumption that as long as the US supports them, they can do no wrong. That's a major issue.
I also hate how this tragedy is just a big cash cow for media sites. Genocide $$$$ Ethnic cleansing $$$$$ War Crimes $$$$$$. BE OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!! BE ANGRY!!!!!!!!!! CLICK ON OUR ADVERTISEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!
and that's enough uneducated opinions on war crimes from me today, back to Forest Gump
They did not completely shut off the water supply, only limited it, and as far as I'm aware no Palestinians are currently dying of thirst or hunger. It's cruel, probably unwarranted, but it's not exactly genocide by definition of the word (yet). I think everyone on social media screaming about genocide is almost a mockery of actual genocides that have occurred in the past.
I think Israel is being way too aggressive under the assumption that as long as the US supports them, they can do no wrong. That's a major issue.
I also hate how this tragedy is just a big cash cow for media sites. Genocide $$$$ Ethnic cleansing $$$$$ War Crimes $$$$$$. BE OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!! BE ANGRY!!!!!!!!!! CLICK ON OUR ADVERTISEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!
and that's enough uneducated opinions on war crimes from me today, back to Forest Gump
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It's nuts. People all over calling for a ceasefire, completely forgetting that Hamas still has a ton of hostages. What is Israel supposed to do, just lay down their arms? Call for peace when Hamas doesn't want peace?
Haven't heard nothing about the people of Gaza demanding their elected party hand back all the innocent hostages. No protests or demonstrations. What does everyone make of that fact? Can we assume the people of Gaza perhaps silently agree Jewish people are expendable? There has been nothing from external supporters either, in fact we've seen the opposite in the UK with people ripping down posters that show the hostages.
I would have sympathy if they did protest it and demand Hamas get to fuck, but they don't get to expect sympathy first and then we go from there. No. Doesn't work that way round.
My bullshit meter just goes off the charts any time I hear some Muslim sympathiser trying to spin a ball of yarn, no matter how eloquently they word themselves, because they always betray the underlying conditionality of it. It's us (Islam) first, everyone else second. It's not politically correct to make such judgements, but I don't care. It is what it is, and they never convince me of their sincerity and wish for wellbeing for all.
Jabberwocky
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Too few of people condemning Hamas and ignoring the terrorism. I guess because calling out radical Muslims is "racist"?
I've never seen any radical Jewish terrorism in my life.
I've never seen any radical Jewish terrorism in my life.
mal3volent
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only thing I will say in their defense is they are probably too scared to speak up about it, the ones who really do object
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I've hear a few Gazans speak against Hamas but have heard way more speak out against Israel/Jews.
Interesting fact, on October 7th, some of the people who attacked Israel weren't actually members of Hamas, but were just citizens who opportunistically came in after Hamas for a bit of rape and murder. I don't know what that says about anything, but what it might say is pretty troubling.
Interesting fact, on October 7th, some of the people who attacked Israel weren't actually members of Hamas, but were just citizens who opportunistically came in after Hamas for a bit of rape and murder. I don't know what that says about anything, but what it might say is pretty troubling.
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That's one of the main reasons I don't watch news or this war coverage. Media is so fucked up in the brain, they don't care what kind of shit they spew out of their mouths as long as money is lining their pockets. As far as I'm concerned, they should all be lined up and a bullet sunk into their heads. Sorry to sound like this but I hate the media.I'm not exactly well read on the current issues/timelines, but I think "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" are being tossed around way too quickly and frivolously.
They did not completely shut off the water supply, only limited it, and as far as I'm aware no Palestinians are currently dying of thirst or hunger. It's cruel, probably unwarranted, but it's not exactly genocide by definition of the word (yet). I think everyone on social media screaming about genocide is almost a mockery of actual genocides that have occurred in the past.
I think Israel is being way too aggressive under the assumption that as long as the US supports them, they can do no wrong. That's a major issue.
I also hate how this tragedy is just a big cash cow for media sites. Genocide $$$$ Ethnic cleansing $$$$$ War Crimes $$$$$$. BE OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!! BE ANGRY!!!!!!!!!! CLICK ON OUR ADVERTISEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!
and that's enough uneducated opinions on war crimes from me today, back to Forest Gump
I'd wager most of these people, even most people, couldn't name any other genocides of the recent past.
Interestingly, this is the Wiki page for 21st century genocides. The first paragraph is referencing an Israeli article that says International Lawyers etc say the Hamas attack amounts to genocide, and the following paragraph is about Israel's 'planned' genocide.
Genocides in history (21st century)
assclass
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It's ok, as long as the civilians only opportunistically do a little rape and murder it's legal. The line is when you do A LOT of rape and murder.
It's funny that it is literally the ACAB crowd who cheers on a little rape and murder (of Jews), and the crimes and terrorism of Hamas does not reflect upon Palestine, but a single bad police officer is enough to brand them all as evil bastards.
The circles of terrorist sympathizers, police defunding advocates, anti Trump, anti West, Pro Marxist, and anti semites has a remarkable level of overlap.
assclass
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There was a movie... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_(2005_film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun Some people view them as terrorists, and there leadership is interesting.
Police are the ones with power. Israel is the one with power. Power dynamics are real and half of the people in this thread are completely ignoring that fact. Punching down is far different than punching up
Not to mention, becoming a police officer is joining a specific organization. Do you think all Palestinians have joined hamas? How much sense does that make
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assclass
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Within Gaza, Hamas are the ones with power. The people of Gaza do not resist and overthrow Hamas, like "good police" who do not stand up to systemic corruption within the force.
Palestine is not powerless. We all witnessed their power to rape, murder and attack civilians recently. To deny them agency is rude.
You are completely ignoring the reality and complexity of power dynamics. You have focused only on what part of a complex equation, and I am not going to ignore the rest of the facts and reality like yourself.
Punching down (like kidnapping, raping, and murdering unarmed civilians, including women, children and elderly people) is wrong, end of story.
If you want to support Hamas rising up with arms and attacking the IDF, that's fine. But terrorists attacking civilians, is punching down, and if you cheer it on, others will cheer on the IDF as they bulldoze Gaza. fafo
assclass
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I love underdog stories. Rocky is great.
But if Rocky couldn't beat Apollo Creed in a fair fight, so Rocky kidnapped and raped Creeds family, and then tried to sucker punch Apollo when he came to rescue his family.... I wouldn't cheer for Rocky.
Oh then why have none of the good US citizens overthrown the police, your equivalencies don't follow
assclass
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Sorry, I think you didn't follow my comment.
The people of Gaza apparently are peaceful and good, but the Hamas leadership and organizations oppresses the good people and gives them all a bad name.
compared to
The members of the Police forces are apparently good and honest, but the Police leadership and corrupt cops in the organization oppress the good police and give them a bad name.
It's the honest cops who need to speak out on the corrupt cops.
It's the honest and peaceful citizens of Gaza who need to speak out on the terrorist Hamas leaders.
But in 2020, the "progressive US citizens" did try that... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community
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