Israel is under attack
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JahBeeuS
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You claim that you posted two articles and an image before you posted this
no proof of what? That Hamas is funded by Iran?
Iranian FM, Hamas leader Haniyeh agree to 'continue cooperation'
Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian meets with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Qatar. October 15, 2023
SUPPORT FROM IRAN
Who's funding Hamas?
Hamas gets its funding for militant operations from taxing imports into Gaza, creating phony charities, and real estate investments.www.businessinsider.com
One article states that "Iran will continue to cooperate with Hamas" with no mention of funding and the other states that
"Any business. Any aid, humanitarian aid, the truck after truck after truck that would come in on a daily basis from Israel into Gaza could all be taxed and extorted — so the largest pot of income for Hamas recently has not been Iran
Directly after the sections you quoted about some spook speculating that Iran funds Hamas.
The image you posted is that of an Iranian Foreign Minister meeting with a Hamas leader. USA meets with Russia and China and I wouldn't say that we fund either. (Although we do conduct business transactions and import/export from each).
Tbf I missed the part of your post you quoted regarding the spook speculating that Iran funds Hamas before you said "Iran funds hezbollah why wouldn't they fund Hamas?"
Which just seemed like you were making the jump. I guess I missed the context. That's all I was talking about.
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mal3volent
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Right, yeah I could've also said,
"Iran funds Hezbollah, so ideologically and politically, it would make sense that they also fund Hamas".
or
"Iran funds Hezbollah, so let's not pretend as though they would have a moral objection to also funding Hamas".
You guys can try to discredit our intelligence agencies if you want. But you know if something makes inherent sense to me and my own intuition, then I find multiple credible sources backing that up, I'm going to take that as fact until I'm presented with better evidence.
JahBeeuS
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Yea - I see what you were saying now - I was just quickposting while distracted at a meeting.
As far as the intelligence agencies go - I'm no expert by any means - it just seems like they have incentive to push their narrative and I can't claim to understand all of the intricacies that go into what they decide to make public knowledge. I'm sure there is some truth to it.
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i have to get ready for some shit, i want to respond to the rest of your post.... but i'll just for now ask you
are the israeli jewish citizens justifying hamas' brutal attack by blaming the israeli government?
almost the whole country of israel blames netanyahu and the defense minister for their fuckups... their policies of enabling and protecting the settlers in the west bank (and i'm happy to see you also hate the shit in the west bank, makes me proud
)and specifically pulling troops from the most (or one of the most) fortified border in the world to go protect said settlers.
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Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could just get along. I'm not a religious person but i do believe there's something above us that we can't comprehend. Most wars seem to involve opposing religions. I'm sure whatever god they're praying to wouldn't want us killing each other in their name.
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i'm also sure that if there was a god, she wouldn't whine about being made fun of or depicted in silly or disrepectful ways or be a homicidal maniac if her favorite prophet was made fun of. and wouldn't want ppl murdered for leaving their religion. or support a government that oppress others over the belief they have some divine right to a chunk of desert.
fuck religious states.
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swilow
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You're shifting the goalposts here. If someone breaks into your house because you've got a shitty old lock on your front door, that person is still criminally responsible. They dont get a reduced sentence because you didnt maintain your property.i have to get ready for some shit, i want to respond to the rest of your post.... but i'll just for now ask you
are the israeli jewish citizens justifying hamas' brutal attack by blaming the israeli government?
almost the whole country of israel blames netanyahu and the defense minister for their fuckups... their policies of enabling and protecting the settlers in the west bank (and i'm happy to see you also hate the shit in the west bank, makes me proud
and specifically pulling troops from the most (or one of the most) fortified border in the world to go protect said settlers.
You know that I wasn't actually talking about that though. You claimed Hamas is fighting for 'freedom/rights' once again implying that their actions are merely a response to Israel, thereby tacitly justifying that response. You can deny this justification, but every time you play the moral equivocation card, that's what it is.
Tbc, while I agree that there were massive fuckups by Israel, I don't think we can say precisely what they were yet- and Hamas is not just one of the causes of this violence- they are THE cause of all the suffering both in Israel and now in Gaza. Military and intelligence failures just made it easier for them to achieve their goals.
Unlike you, I'm looking at Hamas with open eyes and not imagining revolutionaries or freedom fighters. I'm just seeing what they truly are- religious zealots who kill and die for a barbaric belief system forged in the dark ages by an illiterate psychopath.
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Wrong. Theyre being false-flagged so Israel can claim Palestine.
And its happening on the 50th year anniversary. Hmm.
And its happening on the 50th year anniversary. Hmm.
Droppersneck
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Really great tucker episode with colonel mcgregor. On point analysis
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I think that one was in Mexico
assclass
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operative words.
Everyone on Twitter becomes a war crimes scholar 10 seconds after they watch a 10 second clip.
To make it clear for the simpletons: it's not illegal to kill civilians during war, collateral damage is expected, unfortunate and not a war crime.
It becomes a crime to deliberately or indiscriminately attack civilians. Kinda like shooting everyone at a music fesitival.
Targetted strikes in Gaza are not a war crime.
The allies firebombed German and Japanese cities. The Americans NUKED two cities. Don't recall war crime convictions for Dresden or Hiroshima.
So bombing the entirety of Gaza is a targeted strike? Interesting
Is it a targeted strike when they bomb the safe passage area to Egypt?
Is it a targeted strike when they bomb the safe passage area to Egypt?
assclass
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My current thinking is there are two options.
1. Roll in with heavy dozers and tanks and level all of Gaza, and everyone gets deported. Might as well clear out the west bank, and Palestine ceases to exist (Jordan is still a country), and Israel can rebuild Gaza and in a few years everyone will forget and move on, and those that can't can be hunted as terrorists.
2. IDF rolls in force in the middle of Gaza and clears out a section to establish a green zone. All terrorists in the green zone get free 556. The IDF then needs to slowly expand the green zone and clear ALL OF GAZA, building by building, room by room. Find every bunker and tunnel. Free 556 for all terrorists.
This will take a long time and costs a lot of lives. Once all of it is cleared, rebuild.
With either option you can have a marine force take the port and push in special ops teams for hostage rescue, but it's basically hail marry suicide options likely to fail. But sometimes you need to try.
It's been a brilliant move to put the IDF in this position where there is no good option. You either become a butcher, or you offer your best and youngest to the gods of savage war. This fight could get very big, and involve many countries and many more lives.
assclass
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they are not carpet bombing "the entirety of gaza".
If confirmed the IDF hit that, yes. They didn't carpet bomb the south of gaza to hit a specific target.
Laser guided GPS bombs are accurate. Rockets launched from Gaza, not so much.
So you agree that when Hamas and other militants launch unguided rockets at cities, because they lack the precision to hit a specific target like an army base, that is a war crime by indiscriminately attacking civilians?
You understand the threshold of the crime you want to blame the IDF for is, not "unfortunately there is collateral damage" but "fuck those Jews lets launch thousands of rockets at their cities and we don't care where they land or who dies, because they are Jews".
mal3volent
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Also important to remember that all the current casualty numbers coming out of Gaza are probably inflated.
These are the same Hamas controlled officials who said Israel bombed a hospital killing 500 civilians.
We know now that was a lie.
Hamas counts every death as a civilian death as well. (Dead Hamas militants are seen as innocent)
They kidnap old women then release them in front of cameras and the media covers it as an act of good will.
These are the same Hamas controlled officials who said Israel bombed a hospital killing 500 civilians.
We know now that was a lie.
Hamas counts every death as a civilian death as well. (Dead Hamas militants are seen as innocent)
They kidnap old women then release them in front of cameras and the media covers it as an act of good will.
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SpiralusSancti
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This thread has a strong smell of people from countries that have not been in the war since World War II.
Of people not being aware just how easy Regular Joe becomes Ultra Violent Sick Joe.
And those blind to what "% supporting X" means in a fog of war.
If 60% people are for something in a country where 50%+ can't vote, votes are most definitely rigged and to protest against regime means death or worse...well real support is VERY low there.
Of people not being aware just how easy Regular Joe becomes Ultra Violent Sick Joe.
And those blind to what "% supporting X" means in a fog of war.
If 60% people are for something in a country where 50%+ can't vote, votes are most definitely rigged and to protest against regime means death or worse...well real support is VERY low there.
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