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Israel is under attack

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someguyontheinternet said:
Yet you support Israel who does torture prisoners who have not been convicted, I've posted numerous articles that outline this
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You've spent 90% of your time in this thread excusing, explaining, justifying why Hamas exist. If you give a shit about torture, you're not making that very clear. It seems more like you're a rabid anti-Israeli/antisemite leftist that supports violence and rape when its directed at Israel.
 
swilow said:
You've spent 90% of your time in this thread excusing, explaining, justifying why Hamas exist. If you give a shit about torture, you're not making that very clear. It seems more like you're a rabid anti-Israeli/antisemite leftist that supports violence and rape when it's directed at Israel.
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exactly
 
hamas are a bunch of terrorists.

Anybody who agrees with hamas and says the beheaded babies are fake are terrorist supporters who should be hung in gutatnumo bay.

those who spread terrorist propganda deserve life sentences of hard labor in a gulag.
 
mal3volent said:
that's a nice factoid but what does the number of "bomb" launches mean when "bombs" can be of varying different strengths and used for different purposes in conjunction with other strategies?
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Brother I respect you but you are legitimately in denial for some reason. Go check out the images of how North Palestine is now mostly rubble, if you'd like an idea of how strong their bombs are...
 
swilow said:
You've spent 90% of your time in this thread excusing, explaining, justifying why Hamas exist. If you give a shit about torture, you're not making that very clear. It seems more like you're a rabid anti-Israeli/antisemite leftist that supports violence and rape when its directed at Israel.
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I don't think he's trying to justify why Hamas exists. He is merely trying to point out the fact that Israel has done a lot of terrible things too. Many of the same terrible things that Hamas has done. Hamas commits more extreme acts of violence, but Israel commits more total acts of violence. Who knows which way the scales tilt as far as which is worse? I sure don't. But anyone who thinks one side deserves to be attacking and the other does not, is wrong... And really, anyway, the most reasonable solution is for both sides to lay down arms and negotiate. The more killing that happens, the less the other side will want to negotiate. And we've got half the world cheering on one side, and half the world cheering on the other side, emboldening both. Shouldn't we just admit that they've both done some terrible things and hope for PEACE? What has happened to us?
 
TripSitterNZ said:
hamas are a bunch of terrorists.

Anybody who agrees with hamas and says the beheaded babies are fake are terrorist supporters who should be hung in gutatnumo bay.

those who spread terrorist propganda deserve life sentences of hard labor in a gulag.
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Hamas are terrorists and IDF are soldiers. Got it.

Regarding headless babies. There hasn't been one confirmed report of this. Even the Whitehouse walked back Biden statements saying he saw pictures of it. Even Israeli military won't confirm this propaganda.

For the record: this doesn't absolve Hamas of what they actually have done. It just means both sides lie to get what they want.

And now, Biden is passing the hat around to send Israel and Ukraine more money. The shit is absurd.

Last time the USA manufactured terror it was to pry freedom from its own people. Wonder what we'll get with this one.
 
pharmakos said:
Shouldn't we just admit that they've both done some terrible things and hope for PEACE? What has happened to us?
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I think we've always been this way. Our species has been slaughtering each other for as long as we've been a species. Truth be told, I'd say that the moral progress of the last 200-300 years (post enlightenment) has been some of the most anomalous and significant progress we've ever made, and the moral arc is bending towards something better than we've ever known. But we don't defy our evolved traits easily, and they will rear up and guide our actions more often and more easily than our ability to override them can.

I agree that we should want peace but I am not a pacifist. I think there are situations where the only solution is violence. The asymmetry between the destruction that violent people can do if their violence is allowed to succeed outweighs the positive impact of non violence. It's easier to break something than to fix it. If you want peace, prepare for war. We have to respond to violence in such a way as to disincentive the use of it. Unfortunately, that means answering force with force. In that way, we can maintain peace. If you massacre innocent people and this achieves your objectives, you will keep massacring innocent people to achieve further objectives. If it utterly fails you, you won't. This is why I know that Israel simply has to respond.
 
Israel military and mossad are one of the most advanced well funded in the world.
Why can’t they kill hammas more efficiently.
Seems shit they have to cut power and water to entire population. Like a medieval siege.
Think israel need to go into Gaza on the ground.
Identify terrorists and leave the rest alone.

Actually I don’t want my petrol price to go up so hopefully it settles down
 
nepalnt21 said:
i mean... it doesn't take a huge leap when their p.m. is sending out dehumanizing garbage like this:

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This is similar language to what George H. W. Bush said to the nation at the beginning of the Gulf War in 1990 (and later at the UN meeting).

"...Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle..."

His infamous and creepy "New World Order" speech (cue the lizard alien conspiracy people).
 
Soso78 said:
Israel military and mossad are one of the most advanced well funded in the world.
Why can’t they kill hammas more efficiently.
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I mean... you saw what happened when the US tried to kill the Taliban and ISIS for 20 years??

Didn't really work out that well. It's basically impossible to precisely eradicate a terrorist organization like that.

We probably killed 9 civilians for every 1 terrorist.
 
pharmakos said:
The terrorists are underground in the tunnels likely surviving. One of the most sophisticated tunnel systems in the world. The people on the surface are largely civilians.
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You'd think that at the point you're forced to live like rats in a sewer they would perhaps consider other options? I saw a Hamas video of their rocket manufacturing propaganda, where they are spray painting rockets like a car in a garage. My first thought was, 'Have you seen how drab and shite Gaza looks, and you're wasting paint on something that is going to explode?'

Imagine how single-minded you have to be, how much hatred they have. Digging up water pipes. Spunking donation money on weaponry that amounts to nothing whilst their leaders live in Qatar lol. It's absurd.
pharmakos said:
Shouldn't we just admit that they've both done some terrible things and hope for PEACE? What has happened to us?
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Hoping for peace is not practical solution. I see the same sentiment in the conspiracy circuit at the moment too. The point being, do you really think you're going to sway the Arab world with notions of peace and theories about how we are all being played by external parties? The former is a non-starter with the Arab world, and the latter only serves to reinforce their religious position and hatred of anyone non-Islamic - I want to see positive change by fixing the conspiratorial corruption, not using it as an excuse to enforce my own ideology or beliefs, that's the difference in the mindset that most people don't understand.. these people don't think along the same lines we do.

Until the Arab world gets over the fact that Israel now exists and isn't going anywhere, then peace isn't on the cards. Or until they learn to evolve their system of thinking in general.
Soso78 said:
Israel military and mossad are one of the most advanced well funded in the world. Why can’t they kill hammas more efficiently.
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The more I look into Mossad the more I think this is a myth, a useful piece of propaganda. They seem to be very good at the human level intelligence, specifically in the Arab world, but they have also made mistakes in the past. Their exploits are also well known, and there have been decades now for the surrounding countries to develop strategies to counter their espionage methods.

The sole motivation is the protection of the Jewish state. It's the greatest strength/weakness paradox.
 
JahBeeuS said:
I mean... National Crime Victimization Survey says that a woman is raped every 2 minutes in the USA soooooo we are probably less human than Hamas at this point
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you didn't answer the question
that seems to be the pattern I've noticed in this thread
 
JahBeeuS said:
Regarding headless babies. There hasn't been one confirmed report of this. Even the Whitehouse walked back Biden statements saying he saw pictures of it. Even Israeli military won't confirm this propaganda.

For the record: this doesn't absolve Hamas of what they actually have done. It just means both sides lie to get what they want.
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I love how you get so triggered by propaganda on one side but not the other. I've said from the beginning I don't give a shit how they were killed. It's the fact they went in, sought them out, and intentionally killed them.

Hung up on beheaded babies vs dead babies when the same people gobbled up the hospital lie.

I wonder why your globalist conspiracy sensor doesn't go off when the mainstream Media around the world knowingly propagated Hamas lies to turn public opinion against Israel?

I guess a world where Russia and Hamas are left unimpeded toward their goals would preferable right...
 
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