My point is Communists see liberals and conservatives as essentially the same. All liberals do is whinge anyway
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My point is Communists see liberals and conservatives as essentially the same. All liberals do is whinge anyway
AlsoTapered
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With ANY Wikipedia page, ensure you carefully look at the page history.
I have personal experience of adding to a page and after a high-profile event, the Wikipedia page utterly changed but importantly, the information I had added wasn't even in 'previous versions'.
Evidently it is open to manipulation. I'm not saying this is the case here, but reading a few versions can often see massive changes.
I have personal experience of adding to a page and after a high-profile event, the Wikipedia page utterly changed but importantly, the information I had added wasn't even in 'previous versions'.
Evidently it is open to manipulation. I'm not saying this is the case here, but reading a few versions can often see massive changes.
nepalnt21
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that article is amateur hour. so the left (in general) heavily criticizes ppl in general for platforming pieces of shit like ted cruz and calls out bigotry... hardly a religious thing.
The Paradox of Dogma: How the Left Is Crippling Itself
If you try to shut down public debate, is this a way of ensuring that you win—or an admission that you have already lost?thefederalist.com
and does this mean the right is religious for anti- bds laws? literally forcing teachers to sign a paper that says they don't boycott israel and firing or refusing to hire them if they refuse to sign?
Doctor Steve Brule
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Take your pick:
There are plenty of other sources as well. Israel regularly massacres Palestinians
And its crazy that people in this thread seem to think the blockade is something new
www.amnesty.org
And its crazy that people in this thread seem to think the blockade is something new
Gaza's "Great March of Return," six months on
Since the start of the protests, over 150 Palestinians have been killed in the demonstrations and at least 10,000 others have been injured.
www.amnesty.org
pharmakos
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What has been really irking me is how people accuse ME of being brainwashed for admitting these things.There are plenty of other sources as well. Israel regularly massacres Palestinians
And its crazy that people in this thread seem to think the blockade is something new
Gaza's "Great March of Return," six months on
Since the start of the protests, over 150 Palestinians have been killed in the demonstrations and at least 10,000 others have been injured.
Israel is just looking for a excuse to basically ethnically cleanse Palestine anyway
AlsoTapered
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It's well worth investigating the Amnesty International records regarding Israel, Palestine, Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah. It covers everything from 1990 onwards.
There has been a polarization on both sides.
As always, ensure you interrogate media outlets in as many nations as you can to ensure the veracity of any statement.
There has been a polarization on both sides.
As always, ensure you interrogate media outlets in as many nations as you can to ensure the veracity of any statement.
swilow
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To those critical of Israel- I'm curious what you think Israel should do in response to the Hamas attack? And what should they in regards to the question of Palestine in general?
I don't feel like we're getting far yelling at each other, so I'm sincerely asking in good faith. Please respond in kind
Tbc, these are not rhetorical questions.
I don't feel like we're getting far yelling at each other, so I'm sincerely asking in good faith. Please respond in kind
Tbc, these are not rhetorical questions.
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I think they shouldn't have laws enforcing ethnic cleansing? I mean that seems pretty basic. How about not trying to have a religious ethnostateTo those critical of Israel- I'm curious what you think Israel should do in response to the Hamas attack? And what should they in regards to the question of Palestine in general?
I don't feel like we're getting far yelling at each other, so I'm sincerely asking in good faith. Please respond in kind
Tbc, these are not rhetorical questions.
To those critical of Israel- I'm curious what you think Israel should do in response to the Hamas attack? And what should they in regards to the question of Palestine in general?
I don't feel like we're getting far yelling at each other, so I'm sincerely asking in good faith. Please respond in kind
Tbc, these are not rhetorical questions.
I believe the one state solution is the only solution that will work
assclass
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Ah yes, the prison where the prisoners can stage a massive raid to kill and kidnap people and launch rockets at cities.
Those prisons are super common around here, if the bikers don't get enough beer and gay porn they launch a missile at the wardens house to give him the message.
Ah yes food and potable water are definitely equal to beer and porn. Only the most brilliant comparison when can we crown you king?
Shame on those silly Palestinians for not wanting to be pushed out of their homes by a colonial apartheid government. They should just sit back and be ethnically cleansed!
swilow
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I don't believe Israel have laws enforcing ethnic cleansing. But I agree re: not having a religious ethnostate. And I'm sure you also apply that to Hamas who impose Islamic law on the residents of Gaza. I doubt you would disagree that Islamic law is much more illiberal than the legal framework governing Israel. AFAIK, it's not illegal to be gay in Israel.
But I asked what Israel should have done regarding the Hamas attacks. You've suggested something retroactive. What should Israel do now in response to these massacres?
This is you suggesting ethnic cleansing. Both Israel and Palestine should be able to coexist. If you think either group should be evicted from the region, you are supporting genocide. I'm sure you're referring to Israel. I shouldn't have to mention what sort of ideology you are explicitly supporting there.
It's odd that a communist would support that, but then again, communism is one of the most murderous and barbaric ideologies of recent times. So maybe not such a shock.
Ok i should have been clearer. I believe in a socialist state in which everyone in Israel and Palestine would be equal. I don't think either group should have to be evicted.
History Illustrated: Ethnic cleansing in Palestine
The eviction of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, the Nakba, is a crime that Israel and the world have yet to atone for.
Israeli policies against Palestinians amount to apartheid - Amnesty
The rights group accuses it of racist policies, but Israel fiercely rejects "the false allegations".
www.bbc.com
"Palestinian citizens are blocked from leasing about 80 percent of the land"
"According to the Absentees’ Property Law (1950), Palestinian refugees expelled after November 29, 1947, are “absentees” and are denied any rights. Their land, houses/apartments, and bank accounts (movable and immovable property) were confiscated by the state."
"Since 1967, nearly 15,000 Palestinians from East Jerusalem have had their residency rights revoked, according to the Interior Ministry."
"The Ban on Family Unification – introduced as an emergency regulation in 2003 following the outbreak of the second Intifada in 2000 – prevents family unification when one spouse is an Israeli citizen and the other is a resident of the occupied territories"
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Palestinians traditionally mark Israel’s official Independence Day as Nakba Day, a day of mourning and commemoration marking the expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians in 1948 to make way for the creation of the state of Israel.
The Nakba Law introduced in 2011 allows the finance minister to reduce funding or support to an institution if it holds an activity that commemorates Israel’s Independence Day as a day of mourning"
Five ways Israeli law discriminates against Palestinians
More than 65 Israeli laws already exist that discriminate against Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories.
Ds
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swilow
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Okay. Remove the socialist part and I think you're idea is not too bad. But, the fact remains, a significant proportion of both Israelis and Palestinians don't want this. To my mind, a 2 state solution using the borders declared in 1947 would be a suitable compromise.
All of those things are indeed troubling, but doesn't really substantiate your claims of ethnic cleansing. There are legitimate Arab-Israeli political parties in Israel. That's somewhat suggestive.History Illustrated: Ethnic cleansing in Palestine
The eviction of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, the Nakba, is a crime that Israel and the world have yet to atone for.www.aljazeera.com
Israeli policies against Palestinians amount to apartheid - Amnesty
The rights group accuses it of racist policies, but Israel fiercely rejects "the false allegations".www.bbc.com
"Palestinian citizens are blocked from leasing about 80 percent of the land"
"According to the Absentees’ Property Law (1950), Palestinian refugees expelled after November 29, 1947, are “absentees” and are denied any rights. Their land, houses/apartments, and bank accounts (movable and immovable property) were confiscated by the state."
"Since 1967, nearly 15,000 Palestinians from East Jerusalem have had their residency rights revoked, according to the Interior Ministry."
"The Ban on Family Unification – introduced as an emergency regulation in 2003 following the outbreak of the second Intifada in 2000 – prevents family unification when one spouse is an Israeli citizen and the other is a resident of the occupied territories"
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Palestinians traditionally mark Israel’s official Independence Day as Nakba Day, a day of mourning and commemoration marking the expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians in 1948 to make way for the creation of the state of Israel.
The Nakba Law introduced in 2011 allows the finance minister to reduce funding or support to an institution if it holds an activity that commemorates Israel’s Independence Day as a day of mourning"
Five ways Israeli law discriminates against Palestinians
More than 65 Israeli laws already exist that discriminate against Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories.
The Nakba was a terrible, regrettable, inhumane thing, but we just need to be pragmatic. There is just no possibility that Israel will relinquish their claims to the territory they hold. There's going to be no walking back the existence of Israel. Even Fatah now recognise a 2 state solution.
The situation for Gaza could be so much better if they got out from under the bootheels of Hamas who are ideologically incapable of compromise. Until they do, Hamas will continue to put innocent citizens at risk.
Tbc, I don't see the nightmarish existence of Palestinians as only a result of Israeli policies, but overwhelmingly the result of the extremist barbarians who comprise their most powerful political and military force. Again, I ask you, how should Israel have responded? Not what should they have not done 80 years ago- what should they do now about a fanatical group of savages who attacked, and murdered/raped/burned innocent people?
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