Israel is under attack

[pharmakos]

 

[Deleted member 521610]

israel has given them tiume to leave but hamas is forcing everybody to stay and wont let people leave to use them as humans shields.

 

[pharmakos]

israel has given them tiume to leave but hamas is forcing everybody to stay and wont let people leave to use them as humans shields.

And Israel is bombing them even tho they know Hamas won't let them leave... a tactical ground strike would prevent civilian causalities. But they're bombing instead.

Note that Israel in the past 6 days has already dropped more bombs (6,000 last I hear likely much higher now) on Palestine than America dropped on Afghanistan in almost any given YEAR of the Afghani War.

 

[Electrum1]

They hit the top of buildings with a smaller explosive to warn them to evacuate the building within 30min is what I read

Odds that the Palestinian refugees end up in western countries isn't low. France, Germany, Australia, U.S. Midwest and just east of the PNW area would be my guess. Guess we'll see

 

[swilow]

They will not and have not done that.

Hamas have claimed the evacuation order is 'false'. Why would they do that? Unless you believed your enemies course of action could be altered by civilian presence. Seems that even Hamas have a higher view of Israel's ethical stance toward non-combatants then many here.

 

[CaptnRon]

Tactical ground strikes are the only way to avoid civilian causalities. And that's not what they're doing. They're carpet bombing.

Well hamas did start this horseshit. They killed a bunch of Israelis and took a bunch of hostages, Americans included.

Do you expect them (the Israelis) to not retaliate? Just because Biden doesn’t have a sack that doesn’t mean other countries won’t stand for themselves.

 

[pharmakos]

Hamas have claimed the evacuation order is 'false'. Why would they do that? Unless you believed your enemies course of action could be altered by civilian presence. Seems that even Hamas have a higher view of Israel's ethical stance toward non-combatants then many here.

Israel bombed refugees trying to cross the Egyptian border.

Anyway, two wrongs don't make a right. Israel and Hamas are both committing war crimes according to international law. Idk why you're so insistent that Israel is doing no wrong.

 

[pharmakos]

Well hamas did start this horseshit. They killed a bunch of Israelis and took a bunch of hostages, Americans included.

Do you expect them (the Israelis) to not retaliate? Just because Biden doesn’t have a sack that doesn’t mean other countries won’t stand for themselves.

Israel started this 75 years ago when the Nakba happened. 750,000 Palestinians removed from their homes. 13,000 Palestinians dead. 500 Palestinian villages leveled.

 

[pharmakos]

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Haaretz is a Jewish publication, they have little motivation to lie about something like this.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

Times of Israel also has very little motivation to lie here.

 

[CaptnRon]

Israel started this 75 years ago when the Nakba happened. 750,000 Palestinians removed from their homes. 13,000 Palestinians dead. 500 Palestinian villages leveled.

Ok, if that’s the case, this shit has been going on since Humans showed up there millennia ago. There have always been conflicts in that portion of the world. And it’s always been based on hate and ethnicity and religion.

But seriously, what the fuck was Israel to do after Hamas killed and took their people? Just let it go?

C’mon. I know you must know better than that.
Would you let your family get slaughtered and do nothing in return?

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Ok, if that’s the case, this shit has been going on since Humans showed up there millennia ago. There have always been conflicts in that portion of the world. And it’s always been based on hate and ethnicity and religion.

But seriously, what the fuck was Israel to do after Hamas killed and took their people? Just let it go?

C’mon. I know you must know better than that.
Would you let your family get slaughtered and do nothing in return?

What were Palestinians supposed to do after Israel killed their people?

 

[pharmakos]

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[swilow]

Israel bombed refugees trying to cross the Egyptian border.

Anyway, two wrongs don't make a right. Israel and Hamas are both committing war crimes according to international law. Idk why you're so insistent that Israel is doing no wrong.

I'm really not claiming Israel are doing "no wrong". It's just that they were slaughtered en masse by terrorist fanatics and are retaliating. Like I said, intentions matter. If they don't respond, they embolden more fanatics to attack. If they do respond, they probably create a new generation of people who hate them, including the progressive west. They can do absolutely nothing here that will protect their people completely, but attempting to totally dismantle Hamass abilities to commit more murders and rapes in the short term is the lesser evil. I think Israel have done and will do terrible things, and I can't see any other real option.

The Jews faced global indifference and mass slaughter before. They still face the former but are never again going to ever accept the latter. That much is clear.

 

[pharmakos]

Would you let your family get slaughtered and do nothing in return?

Good question.

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[pharmakos]

I'm really not claiming Israel are doing "no wrong". It's just that they were slaughtered en masse by terrorist fanatics and are retaliating. Like I said, intentions matter. If they don't respond, they embolden more fanatics to attack. If they do respond, they probably create a new generation of people who hate them, including the progressive west. They can do absolutely nothing here that will protect their people completely, but attempting to totally dismantle Hamass abilities to commit more murders and rapes in the short term is the lesser evil. I think Israel have done and will do terrible things, and I can't see any other real option.

The Jews faced global indifference and mass slaughter before. They still face the former but are never again going to ever accept the latter. That much is clear.

Even with a fresh 1.3 thousand deaths in the last 6 days, far FAR more Palestinians than Israelis have died in the ongoing conflict.

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[CaptnRon]

What were Palestinians supposed to do after Israel killed their people?

Listen. I get it. It’s a humanitarian crisis any which way you look at it.

But to blame Israel for being attacked by terrorists, and trying get their people back is crazy.

Not to mention the American citizens killed/being held hostage.

As an American, it’s very upsetting to watch this unfold the way it has.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

2 wongs don't make a white

 

[gordonliddy]

Why does Israel often provide warning before attacking? Why has Hamas been telling its citizens to ignore these warnings? It serves Hamas ends much more than Israel's to have their own people killed. Think about that.

Brother, we have to teach the young people. Principles are at stake. Let's say that a young person was reading this and was neutral, neither Jew nor Arab. I would want the young person, who would be well advised to be neutral rather than worry about foreign policy, to at least learn that people who are not currently on Israel's side, will never be on Israel's side. If it takes more than a terrorist attack to rally people to your cause, then they are not good friends. If you get attacked, any of your friends who are worth it will be telling you to fight back, not relax.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

Here's the thing... When will the fighting end ?

 

[nepalnt21]

slaughtering children because they're Jewish

but we aren't talking about any events like that, we are talking about the awful attacks hamas did, but they were NOT because their victims were jewish.

been telling its citizens to ignore these warnings?

like how israel ignored warnings?

israel has given them tiume to leave

trying get their people back

bombing the piss out of ppl and going pedal-to-the-medal on war crimes is a bit of a stretch on simply trying to get hostages back.

this is more than retribution, more than 'surgical' strikes, more than war... this is genocide.

Here's the thing... When will the fighting end ?

when israel wants it. make no mistake, the ball has been in their court for a long time.

hamas did start this horseshit

lol, wait WHAT?!?!

hamas started this?!?!

wtf? how do you figure?