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JahBeeuS said:
Jews don't rape people?
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yeah, they've never done any crimes, duh... not ever in history.

completely innocent.

nvm that the israeli government allows new jersey, sweden, and ukraine jews (just for being some religion) come to israel to steal farms, houses, etc. that have belonged to local families for generations... the idf murders babies, journalists (war crimes? never heard of them...)... the government cuts off food and water, electricity, fuel...

nvm that idf cowards beats, snipe peaceful protestors and children and laugh about it, beat people in a funeral for someone THEY (idf bitches) murdered...

yeah, the israeli government, idf dastards, and zionists are completely innocent. yerp...

nvm that ISRAELI citizens blame THEIR OWN government for the recent terrorist attacks, so clearly the government (who may or may not be jewish, who knows?) is 100% innocent, duh.

(and it sucks that i have to add this, it should go without saying... the israelis that have died, been tortured, have lost families etc... i am not blaming them for their own tragedies... i think both hamas and the israeli government are shit)
 
nepalnt21 said:
yeah, the israeli government, idf dastards, and zionists are completely innocent. yerp...
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But no one is really arguing that. The fact stands that there is only one side who uses human shields, and one side that is deterred by them. I know you are incapable of having any genuine sympathy for the Jews, but this concept of moral equivalency is utterly bizarre. I mean, the IDF have prosecuted its own soldiers for mistreatment of Palestinians (I will certainly admit that this has been rare) but Hamas and citizens of Gaza, and supporters across the world, literally cheer with great jubilation when Israeli people are massacred.


Israel is imperfect, no doubt, but your moral compass is missing if you truly believe Israel and Hamas are equivalent, or that Israel are worse. That is utter madness.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
When was the last time Israel bombed a civilian target? This morning? So yea, last Jewish terrorist attack was this morning
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I hate to pull the moral high ground card, but whatever you're refering to was 97% a Jew missing a target and hitting a civilian because the actual terrorists kidnapped hundreds of k* and hid in their friend's neighborhood.

If you're calling Jews terrorists that's like saying Hamas was the firefight and Jews ran away and so they shot civilians because they refused a conventional Geneva-style conflict where soldiers are shooting at other soldiers. But in fact the opposite happened. Arabs waited until a holiday to first shoot and then kidnap civilians, and ran to civilian-populated areas because their offensive was repulsed by....haha just kidding they didn't even wait until the IDF to show up, they chicken-ran back to civilian-populated housing putting their own friends in danger. Jewish police broke the Hamas offensive. Didn't the Hamas line falter where the farmers (kabutznik) returned fire? These Arabs were clowns and got wrecked. Their sole strategy was to wait for a Holiday to catch the IDF with their pants down and mob civilians. Total amateur night. Iran paid for this? Iran should get a refund LOL.

If a single Mohamettan died, it was because some 19-year old Israeli kid got triggered and broke his rules of engagement, or more likely because Hamas was hiding in the middle of a city rather than establishing a battlefield. They're too dumb to engage any infantry and so they ran as soon as they were done kidnapping civilians.
 
I think it's important to recognize that merely because a person professes a certain faith, it doesn't always follow that said person will abide by the proscriptions of that faith.

It seems that religion is often used as an unanswerable justification for any action.
 
Jennn said:
They can defend themselves. Any country would. Whens the last time a jew strapped a bomb to a kid?
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Defend themselves against the population they've been genociding. Yea totally horrible for them to fight back. I'm not saying I condone the actions of Hamas but after beating the shit out of someone for decades they're bound to fight back. When you back people into a corner with no option, nasty things happen
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Defend themselves against the population they've been genociding. Yea totally horrible for them to fight back. I'm not saying I condone the actions of Hamas but after beating the shit out of someone for decades they're bound to fight back. When you back people into a corner with no option, nasty things happen
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yeah, they really had no other option than to shoot babies and rape women.
backed into a corner.
 
AlsoTapered said:
I think it's important to recognize that merely because a person professes a certain faith, it doesn't always follow that said person will abide by the proscriptions of that faith.

It seems that religion is often used as an unanswerable justification for any action.
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Definitely true. OTOH though, if a certain faith encourages particular behaviour, and adherents to that faith engage in that behaviour, it's fair to assume that is a result of their faith.
 
swilow said:
At least you're honest about your support for rape and murder. I mean, I'm absolutely disgusted by you in this matter and think your views are utterly vile, but at least I can't call you a liar.
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Did you forget how to read?
someguyontheinternet said:
Defend themselves against the population they've been genociding. Yea totally horrible for them to fight back. I'm not saying I condone the actions of Hamas but after beating the shit out of someone for decades they're bound to fight back. When you back people into a corner with no option, nasty things happen
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swilow said:
incapable of having any genuine sympathy for the Jews
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that's a nasty lie. shame on you.

swilow said:
I mean, the IDF have prosecuted its own soldiers for mistreatment of Palestinians (I will certainly admit that this has been rare) but Hamas and citizens of Gaza, and supporters across the world, literally cheer with great jubilation when Israeli people are massacred.
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so the idf gets a pass because sometimes they discipline their soldiers for war crimes, but all palestinians are bad when the loudest ones are the nasty ones?


someguyontheinternet said:
Did you forget how to read?
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apparently some ppl are blind to all opinions except "israel is the best"
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Did you forget how to read?
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You can't just say "I don't condone the actions of Hamas" , then basically condone the actions of Hamas. Saying they've been backed into a corner is you trying to absolve them of their heinous acts. Leftists all over the internet have been saying it for three days and it's disgusting.

Let me ask you a question. If you think it's possible for a human being to be "backed into corner" to the point of shooting babies and raping women, you must believe it'd be possible for you to be pushed to that point too, right?

I mean for me personally, I would literally kill myself before I did either of those things. There's zero chance I'd allow my mind to sink to that level of depravity.
 
mal3volent said:
You can't just say "I don't condone the actions of Hamas" , then basically condone the actions of Hamas. Saying they've been backed into a corner is you trying to absolve them of their heinous acts. Leftists all over the internet have been saying it for three days and it's disgusting.

Let me ask you a question. If you think it's possible for a human being to be "backed into corner" to the point of shooting babies and raping women, you must believe it'd be possible for you to be pushed to that point too, right?

I mean for me personally, I would literally kill myself before I did either of those things. There's zero chance I'd allow my mind to sink to that level of depravity.
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i agree with your sentiment here, but (if i may try) i don't think that's exactly the takeaway (at least how i'm reading it).

it's like the 60s ghettoes in america where the schools are shitty and (in some areas) there are no jobs, and the cops fuck with you just for existing in certain skin... it's like NO WONDER thats's where and when gangs originated, and how they developed into what they are today...

i also do not condone hamas' actions and in fact i despise them... cowardly, disgusting, etc... but i also understand how it could happen. the palestinians (while not completely innocent throughout history) have been treated like less than human by the israeli STATE (equipped with military tech and organization), been kicked out of their family homes, have had their family and friends murdered for decades (many of them THEIR WHOLE LIVES).

like NO WONDER the most extreme of fear, depression, hate (all they prolly know) hopelessness... can drive an angry mob to the worst crimes.
 
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And in this case its even worse than ghettos in the US because they were being harassed and imprisoned. Palestinians are being genocided and they have been for decades
 
nepalnt21 said:
so the idf gets a pass because sometimes they discipline their soldiers for war crimes, but all palestinians are bad when the loudest ones are the nasty ones?
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Did I say all Palestinians are bad?

My point is that we both know the Hamas barbarians who beheaded babies were never going to be disciplined. In fact, people like that are routinely celebrated as heroes by many Palestinians and their supporters. OTOH, Israel will discipline soldiers who commit war crimes.

If you're not sure why, it's because one side no longer cleave to medieval barbarism and the other does. That people seek to equivocate between the two is simply misguided, ignorant bias.
 
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