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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

You mean..."Ukraine deserves independence from Russia" & life-long tax obligation to the EU, UK & USA...go freedom. 🤪...neu collonianism; it's PC, so, it's GUuuD.

That's the funny part....your average reader doesn't seem to see that people fully intend to make Ukraine pay the debt on all of these weapons that they're borrowing from us and using to get themselves killed.

Seems to me the most likely way out of debt would be for them to lose to Russia. Russia would probably repudiate Western debt.
 
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Excellent analysis, Friend Comrade. But good thing that America can count on Nigeria as an ally. Go Nigeria! Ethiopia, Nigeria, Ghana. Better allies a country could not want.

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Nigerian loyasts seen here in file footage on their way
to attack an anti-American Chinese factory
Even in Ethiopia things are not like they used to. They have a current civil war with the Tigray rebels, well known marxists in the past, and neighbours of Eritrea, one of the die hard russian allies who openly support the ucranian "special operation" at the UNO.
African polítics have changed and Russia and very specially China are there to stay. But we have to understand that they have had enough of western colonialism. Euro colonialism to be exact; it's not the NATO or the USA what they hate, it's France. Also UK to a leader degree, but France very specially
 
That's the funny part....your average reader doesn't seem to see that people fully intend to make Ukraine pay the debt on all of these weapons that they're borrowing from us and using to get themselves killed.

Seems to me the most likely way out of debt would be for them to lose to Russia. Russia would probably repudiate Western debt.
Weapons and cash from the US are not loans. There was a lend lease act passed, but it was nothing. It literally only takes up half a page, you can read it yourself, there's literally nothing there. It was just a sign of support, meant to take the headlines away from whatever shenanigans Russia was doing at the time. Actual weapons are sent using the presidential drawdown, which doesn't have to be repaid. Some other countries like Germany have lent cash, but on pretty generous terms, if you read the agreements, you might hesitate to call them loans at all. Lets not forget that this is not coming out of nowhere, Ukraine is asking for support. Its not being forced on them. During existential war, a lot of things fall down the list of priorities, like balancing the budget for instance.

When it comes to rebuilding Ukraine, I am pretty sure, most of that money is going to come from the west. Even if Ukraine regains all its territory, there's about 0 chance Russia will pay reparations, except for perhaps, what assets were frozen.
 
Weapons and cash from the US are not loans. There was a lend lease act passed, but it was nothing. It literally only takes up half a page, you can read it yourself, there's literally nothing there. It was just a sign of support, meant to take the headlines away from whatever shenanigans Russia was doing at the time. Actual weapons are sent using the presidential drawdown, which doesn't have to be repaid. Some other countries like Germany have lent cash, but on pretty generous terms, if you read the agreements, you might hesitate to call them loans at all. Lets not forget that this is not coming out of nowhere, Ukraine is asking for support. Its not being forced on them. During existential war, a lot of things fall down the list of priorities, like balancing the budget for instance.

When it comes to rebuilding Ukraine, I am pretty sure, most of that money is going to come from the west. Even if Ukraine regains all its territory, there's about 0 chance Russia will pay reparations, except for perhaps, what assets were frozen.

Russia WILL end up paying in one way or another. Since Russia has no large-scale digital foundries (it has a plan to build a 28nm facility by 2030), it's going to be almost entirely reliant on China. We live in an age where the IC is essential to every developed nation.

Unwisely, basing a war based on the fact that a nation was previously part of The Russian Empire also plays right into the hands of China whose stated aims include rectifying 'a century of unequal treaties' (as Mao termed it). Well, Manchuria was part of the Chinese empire until 1858 BUT was never part of the classical Russian Empire.

I might add that China is facing a chronic water shortage and just within Manchuria is lake Baikal, the largest freshwater lake (by volume) on the planet. China intended to build a pipeline to solve it's truly vast water shortage. They bought land around the lake and a lot of the land connecting the lake to China... then Putin blocked development in 2017. He recognized that it represented the simplest way to slow the development of China.

I'm not sure if China considers it's water shortage as an existential threat but it's certainly an increasing problem with between 80% and 90% of it's groundwater now considered unfit for drinking.

I SUSPECT that is why China has carefully NO picked a side in the Ukraine conflict. From their perspective, the war is serving to destabilize Russia, expose the weakness of it's military and use up much of Russia's military strength. It doesn't matter to them who wins just as long as it weakens Russia sufficiently to at the very least give them access to the water.

Meanwhile, Russia having made itself a pariah state ensures that NOBODY is about to lend aid if China does end up having to use force. I'm sure China would much rather come to a deal, but in spite of the surface-level civility between Russia and China, that pipeline is vital to China and it's ONLY benefit to Russia is in it's strategic use of limiting Chinese development.

I think most people aren't aware of the above situation because it barely made the news (in Europe and America) in 2017 but it's created a huge divide.

I should add that Russia is also seeing a population crash. The population is aging (current birth-rate is 1.5 children per woman) and those with ability are leaving because conducting business in a dictatorship where corruption is the norm rather than the exception isn't very attractive.
 
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Odds of nuclear strike somewhere in the world in the next 20 years ? Any takers

By strike do I take it you are implying that a nation states is the instigator?


It would appear that the only nation state with nuclear weapons whose military doctrine includes the use of tactical nuclear weapons is Russia. I SUSPECT it's because they still lack battlefield weapons capable of pinpoint strikes. Although to be fair, they STATE that they have thermobaric weapons (which most other states use in place of tactical nuclear weapons) but it doesn't appear that they have found much use for them and/or the inventory is very small.


I hasten to add that it makes little difference to the target - all organic matter is vaporized. They tested one with a yield of 44 tonnes of TNT in 2007 but since then, nothing.
 
Let us not forget Vietnam.
And Serbia too.Lybia,Egypt,Tunisia,Syria,Iraq,Afganistan......Endless list my friend."World base on rules"?Which rules?I know which.Dollar is still(but no forlong) primary currency in world...How is possible?That are just pappers without any golden coverage till the Nixon's times...WEll-it's all about millitary power and countless war bases scattered around the world-On that lies hegemony of US and global west.Raw power and that is all.U cannot just print banknotes and pull debt over debt?who will pay for that?USA?or they find someone others to pay fpr their debts.That is just one big baloone,which would crackle as soon as u think.Even we could be witnesses of that.Yes as I remembered Xo the admin ones said,that decline of this country begins with Reagan...in fact this was the last real golden years for that state.NO friends Africa,Global South<arab worlds start to realize who is agressor and who burns the conflicts around the world and from where the corruption commings on...Lobbing law?Find some stupid mothafucka and convience him to do ur job free.Lies,hypocricy and decieve.Separate and rule....funny...how is possible someone to print on their banknotes "In God we Trust"?a banknote with which u could pay for killing somebody or corrupr someone...pay a bribe.......This is Babylone.....The God is dollar.Media -second hand of Deep State.....and anyone who does not think in proper way is claimed like agent of Putin or Kremlin?Wjat kind of people could be hooked on that propaganda?Idiocracy indeed.And Brits think to go with their fleet in Black Sea and with their troops in Ukraine...cause USA must prepare for war with China?There must be war...cause its good for the busyness and install our people and our rules on proper place....but the war must not go nuclear......How long time these people will play that way......no. going these way the war WILL go nuclear at somepoint....let it be the Word of Almighty....and still I am okay now and sane say again...ERASE ME...to not the write unproper,nonliberal thoughts...I don't fucking care.Better for me...better for u...Why some aborigen to destroy ur comfort?My apologies to all...most of u are wonderful guys....and for me was not at all good idea to put political shit in site for harm reduction and recovery....just watch at ur own yard,which is awful enough,stop pretending for world hegemony and power,corrupting poor countries.bribing their leaders in order to gain control over resources.Try to cooperate.Looking for peace,not victory over"nondemocratical issues' or some simmilar hypocricy....or the NUCLEAR will came sooner than u think...and everything would stand very quickly......Let it be like God said...not me.......some dust in the wind.Hug u brothers and sister from all the world!Hug u my World!!!:hear4t:
 
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.That is just one big baloone,which would crackle as soon as u think.

You make a lot of sense, but I challenge this assertion that a giant collapse is imminent. England ruled the world..but when they got dethroned, they went into spy mode. Spain once ruled the world, but when they were toppled about 100 years ago they basically rolled over peacefully and took a nap.

I doubt that a continued decline in American hegemony will produce the sort of collapse that sci-fi authors and zombie enthusiasts seem to crave. Apocalypticism.



Even we could be witnesses of that.Yes as I remembered Xo the admin ones said,that decline of this country begins with Reagan

What? Reagan refused to help South Africans precisely because he was weak.
 
By strike do I take it you are implying that a nation states is the instigator?


It would appear that the only nation state with nuclear weapons whose military doctrine includes the use of tactical nuclear weapons is Russia. I SUSPECT it's because they still lack battlefield weapons capable of pinpoint strikes. Although to be fair, they STATE that they have thermobaric weapons (which most other states use in place of tactical nuclear weapons) but it doesn't appear that they have found much use for them and/or the inventory is very small.

Russia has used thermobaric weapons, I think the problem with them is the limited range of their launchers. And since this is war of artillery, using thermobaric weapons usually means losing the launcher.
 
Russia has used thermobaric weapons, I think the problem with them is the limited range of their launchers. And since this is war of artillery, using thermobaric weapons usually means losing the launcher.

As I said, in 2007 Russia demonstrated what it termed 'The Father of all Bombs' (suppose to equate to 44 tonnes of TNT) just to dicksize with the US BLU-82 (supposed to equate to 11 tonnes of TNT).

But since 2007, Russia hasn't produced any more of those, it was a one-off device. The US has used earlier BLU devices from Vietnam to Iraq. I believe the nickname for the US thermobaric weapon was 'the daisy cutter' because It was used to create landing zones for helicopters.

But the Russian TOS-1 Tyazhyelaya ognemyetnaya sistema (heavy flamethrower system) multiple unguided rocket system only has a claimed range of 3500m which places it within range of the Javelin 4000m+. But of course, the TOS-1 wasn't intended to replace tactical nuclear weapons which the BLU-82 (and derivatives) were.

BTW neither the MOAB nor the FOAB are only 'strategic' in terms of they having the capacity to kill hundreds or even thousands of people. Neither can be used in a situation where friendlies are anywhere near the aim-point. They aren't pin-point weapons.

The TOS-1 has only been used once which shows it's limited utility. The US did develop something similar but testing showed it's uses being too limited to be worth the money. Like tactical nuclear weapons, it's more the threat it poses.
 
You make a lot of sense, but I challenge this assertion that a giant collapse is imminent. England ruled the world.. but when they got dethroned, they went into spy mode. Spain once ruled the world, but when they were toppled about 100 years ago they basically rolled over peacefully and took a nap. I doubt that a continued decline in American hegemony will produce the sort of collapse that sci-fi authors and zombie enthusiasts seem to crave. Apocalypticism.
The collapse will not be televised. Except perhaps in a metaphorical, ritualistic way, on a sunny September morning.

We're already in the midst of collapse. It even has an official name, slogan, and global institution to act as the public relations target for public outrage so corporations and (stock) rich individuals can take the heat off the actual parasites. But I agree, it won't be the doomsday event the preppers are hoping for with their canned tuna and silver coins. Just a continual financial squeezing and degradation of the fabric of personal and social dynamics until we end up under a 'new normal' and wonder what the hell happened. I think it's more akin the collapse of Soviet Russia, except they've planned out how to orchestrate the implosion.

Having said that, it does feel like we're waiting for the other shoe to drop. Covid decimated the financial landscape, and if we were to suffer another big event that might very well just push the whole thing over the cliff.
 
The collapse will not be televised. Except perhaps in a metaphorical, ritualistic way, on a sunny September morning.

We're already in the midst of collapse. It even has an official name, slogan, and global institution to act as the public relations target for public outrage so corporations and (stock) rich individuals can take the heat off the actual parasites. But I agree, it won't be the doomsday event the preppers are hoping for with their canned tuna and silver coins. Just a continual financial squeezing and degradation of the fabric of personal and social dynamics until we end up under a 'new normal' and wonder what the hell happened. I think it's more akin the collapse of Soviet Russia, except they've planned out how to orchestrate the implosion.

Having said that, it does feel like we're waiting for the other shoe to drop. Covid decimated the financial landscape, and if we were to suffer another big event that might very well just push the whole thing over the cliff.

In a word 'hypernormalisation'.

ANYONE who thinks they are going to survive a full scale thermonuclear was is insane. The fact that billions of tonnes of radioactive dust will be thrown into the atmosphere producing a 'nuclear winter' will mean nothing will grow for decades and that said winter will likely last for 50-100 years.

Anyone who has studied history will know of the year 1816 being referred to as 'The Year Without a Summer', 'Poverty Year' or, jokingly 'Eighteen Hundred and Frozen to Death' and was the result of a huge volcanic eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia which reduced average temperatures in Europe (due to the high-altitude wind-direction) by 3°C. A fifty year nuclear winter in which GLOBAL temperatures would drop by 11°C to 22°C means that nothing would grow for a lifetime.

I have to hand it to the people who are selling survival gear for these preppers. You need roughly 365Kg of food per person per year not forgetting fuel, clothing and the manifold other supplies. In effect, about half a tonne of stuff per person per year. Let's be generous and suggest the temperature only drops by 10°C for 20 years - but no sunshine so no plant growth. That would be 10 tonnes of materials per person.

Of course, as the dust settles as fall out or rain out, exactly what COULD be grown anyway?
 
year 1816 being referred to as 'The Year Without a Summe
That was the year that Frankenstein's monster was born, as Byron, Polidori and their guests at Byron's swiss house, Mary Shelley among them, were forced to stay indoors all the summer by the weather. They just made a writting "contest" and she came with the creature.
That was only a summer and they were only 6 or 7 well maintained bodies and minds. I don't dare to imagine what kind of monsters would raise from a dark&frozen world between millions of desperate and rewilded survivors.
Preppers talk about enduring devastation, hunger and shit .. but no prepper can even understand the extent of absolute anti- existence that we are talking about.
 
but no prepper can even understand the extent of absolute anti- existence that we are talking about.

But somebody has cleverly worked out just HOW to convince people that it will all be over in a matter of weeks.


(Note that they are selling 'Black Rifle Coffee Company' products - caffeine drinks and merchendise).

Now, consider that the US governments OFFICIAL plan (project Greek Island):


Clearly these facilities are only designed to provide food and shelter from a thermonuclear war for a few WEEKS because that's as long as war planners expect the US to still EXIST. It's as long as Congress could actually make decisions that the US military could act on.

Actually a SLIGHTY more sensible idea was that of Phillip Zimmerman (the guy who developed PGP) who planned to move his family to New Zealand because the northern and southern hemispheres have almost separate weather systems AND their are no nuclear nations in the global south. Now he's moved to Switzerland (officially to avoid US spying), a nation famous for having enough nuclear bunkers for the entire population (a coincidence, I'm sure).

But even by the late 1950s it was recognized that the intertropical convergence zone still results in intermingling of the atmospheres of the two hemispheres. That's why Nevil Shute wrote his doom-laden novel 'On The Beach' in which everyone in the northern hemisphere is presumed dead within a few weeks but those in Australia and New Zealand would suffer a slow, painful death as the fallout slowly poisons them.

Preppers are just scared people who cannot face their own deaths. We ALL die, but as Honoré de Balzac noted 'The viler a man's life is, the more he clings to it; it becomes at every moment a protest and a revenge'.
 
New Zealand would survive a global nuclear war, due to wind patterns even a global nuclear winter and fall out would fail to affect to New Zealand. The south island of new zealand is one of the few places that would dodge climate change aswell.

Thats why all the billionaires have places in queenstown to flee to.

New Zealand is out of range of chinese and russian ICBM's

unless a russian sub nuked new zealand then it may be the last bastion on earth for humanity.
 
Thats why all the billionaires have places in queenstown to flee to.
Good. They can all congregate in one place and nature can then just crack open the soil and swallow the whole lot. Delicious. That would be the most satisfying ending to the human arc, all those turbo cunts who stripped humanity of its humanity and erroneously believed they could twist natures arm for their benefit, only to find out nature isn't actually blind afterall and that she was endlessly merciful of our ignorance.
Preppers are just scared people who cannot face their own deaths. We ALL die, but as Honoré de Balzac noted 'The viler a man's life is, the more he clings to it; it becomes at every moment a protest and a revenge'.
What I don't understand is why you would want to live in a failed world. Once your tools break, you're fucked. Technology is an ecosystem that has taken the best part of 2000 years to evolve, ain't no way some shelter troll is going to be able to recreate any of it while battling the exigencies of life. Not only that, but there would undoubtedly be cells of the military industrial complex and elites still around too, with high technology intact. They would be like the Pharaohs of Egypt all over again, and you'll be whipped into building the next tower of Babel for them or you get turned into a crisp by their microwave weaponry.

The preppers are facing the wrong way. They should be taking all that time, energy, and money, and figuring out how they can perhaps dispose of a few of the top-tier parasites now. I mean if they believe it all to that extent they should, rather than cowering in fear with their packets of astronaut bacon. I want to see hillbillies wearing V masks with Pepe patches on their cloaks, doing parkour across the rooftops of a European city like Assassin's creed, and rooting out the corruption with their crossbows and hunting knives.
 
But somebody has cleverly worked out just HOW to convince people that it will all be over in a matter of weeks.

Agreed, and people tend to exaggerate the level of committment that either 'side' would make in a nuclear war. People forget that WW2 was a nuclear war and that precisely once primacy was established, the other side capitulated.
 
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