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Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

If somebody wanted to 'control the population' for whatever purported reason, it'd be a lot easier to produce something that makes people infertile, and market it to your targets as a weight-loss or sex enhancement wonder drug, instead of something a load of them are already wildly suspicious about.

Also there's all these vaccinated people conspicuously still standing, so the grand villainous plan doesn't appear to be working.
 
If somebody wanted to 'control the population' for whatever purported reason, it'd be a lot easier to produce something that makes people infertile, and market it to your targets as a weight-loss or sex enhancement wonder drug, instead of something a load of them are already wildly suspicious about.
You need plausible deniability. A medical product that was rushed through development in 6 months (versus years), granted emergency use authorization, and was voluntarily taken by the public (as they already claim - see NZ PM) during a perceived global emergency. That is probably the best plausible deniability scenario you're going to get, because if shit starts getting real they can just remind everyone that we were in an emergency 'war like' situation where basically we had to do what we had to do.
Also there's all these vaccinated people conspicuously still standing, so the grand villainous plan doesn't appear to be working.
It has been what, 2 years since the start of the jab programme? If I were deconstructing society and the population I would want a slow, gradual decline in the population in order to manage the transition from one state to the other without ruffling too many feathers. You want to deconstruct, not collapse.

After 10 years if no trends are obvious in deaths rates, fertility, etc, then I would say the matter is closed.
 
Is that really just a news article claiming the deaths without a published study? 😂
That would be the usual trick, yes.

However in this case there may be a link, just NOT in the way that the scaremongers are claiming. There have been recent studies (the legit peer-reviewed type) which have shown several genetic factors to correlate with more severe infection, those same genetics also appear to pre-dispose the same individuals to more adverse reactions to the vaccines. (ie for instance greater risk of developing blood clots in response to either.)

As for the athletic angle, it's been conspicuous that two classes of people get statistically hit the hardest when infected, the overweight and unfit and conversely the 'super fit' whom you'd presume would have the greatest resistance. The trouble here is that one of the main ways in which the virus does its damage is when the immune system overreacts to the spike protein and runs out of line, what's called a cytokine storm. Ironically in the case of the ultra-fit athletic types, they are more prone to that than an 'average fit' person ; you could say their immune system functions a bit TOO well. Which again, it may then also do in response to the weakened virus used in most vaccines.

Both these factors should be considered when evaluating this data.
 
that was rushed through development in 6 months (versus years)
I keep hearing this 'rushed through' argument with the implication being that it wasn't adequately tested. This is incorrect.

Development was accelerated because of a worldwide emergency situation, but that doesn't equate to a 'rush job'. For one scientists had a head start because of work that had already been done on the related virus that caused the first SARS. Research was done at the time to develop a vaccine, which was halted when it turned out we could successfully get that particular outbreak under control.
Secondly what was slashed to a minimum was the bureaucracy in between trial stages, NOT the clinical trials themselves. Nothing was skipped there.
What WAS done was to collate data progressively as the trials were going on instead of only afterwards, which sped up the analysis, plus some clinical development stages were started before others were fully concluded, running some processes in parallel, which sped up production time. ALL the standard clinical trial and testing phases were still FULLY completed.

And yep as with any medical intervention, you only get the full picture after several years. And it's not like unwanted side effects aren't being reported ; in fact all recipients of a new medication are expressly encouraged to report them.


What YOU need to have on the other hand if you want to make this argument, is a solid case for who would want to reduce the population and why; and there's nothing I've ever heard from anyone but speculative assertions on the basis of whichever whack job worldwide conspiracy idea is flavour of the month.
 
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I keep hearing this 'rushed through' argument with the implication being that it wasn't adequately tested. This is incorrect.
You keep hearing it because you're wrong, that's why.

The underlying biotechnology of mRNA delivery systems may have already been developed and tested, but the active biological particulars of this concoction certainly hadn't. It doesn't matter if SARS is 'similar', that's like arguing any chemical compound is similar when there's only one bond difference or extra hydrogen atom.. which given we're on a drug usage forum you should already know is a ridiculous argument. A single change in a chemical compound can have drastically different outcomes, because biology is complex.

They conducted short term studies. That's all, because that's literally all the time they had available. So the 'rushed' argument is correct, because no medium or long-term studies were conducted. That qualifies as rushed to me, because we're not talking about a brand of paint here where you can just wing it, we're talking about a medical, biologically active concoction, that was being injected into pretty much the entire worlds population.

No medium or long-term studies is rushed, and it's absolute fucking madness. On top of the fact that covid was a fucking nothing burger, it is all the more insane.
What YOU need to have on the other hand if you want to make this argument, is a solid case for who would want to reduce the population and why; and there's nothing I've ever heard from anyone but speculative assertions on the basis of whichever whack job worldwide conspiracy idea is flavour of the month.
Oh shut up, this isn't a court of law. I don't need to make a solid case, for YOU. It's perfectly valid to speculate. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't preclude the possibility that it might actually have some validity.

You obviously haven't looked hard enough either. Prince Philip, Boris Johnson (and his father Stanley), are all on record saying there are too many people on this planet. As are various American and European power figures. The British establishment in particular believes it, especially through a 'scientific' lens. They have always been keenly concerned with genetics, eugenics, social order, and empire building of course.

If you're looking for a (scientific) reason, again you haven't looked very hard. It's pretty obvious what the rationalization for it is. Too many people, not enough resources, and too much damage to the environment specifically the climate. Climate change is the ideological vehicle they're using, literally right now, to try and reshape the global order. Or have you been living under a rock?
The heir to the throne has described COP26 as "the last-chance saloon".
Prince Charles, who has long been a champion of environmental causes, is expected to emphasise the urgency of dealing with the climate crisis.

"We have to put ourselves on what might be called a war-like footing," he will say, as he urges world leaders to work with business to tackle climate problems.
He is due to say: "We need a vast military-style campaign to marshal the strength of the global private sector, with trillions at its disposal."
 
How anyone thinks this is a good idea amazes me. But there are many who really think pharma and our government cares about us. They don't try this bs with the flu shot or regular vaccines soo why are they hell bent on forcing us to take something for a flu that won't kill us? Something bigger is at play but until people start questioning instead of just believing what they are told the government overreach will only get worse
 
How anyone thinks this is a good idea amazes me. But there are many who really think pharma and our government cares about us. They don't try this bs with the flu shot or regular vaccines soo why are they hell bent on forcing us to take something for a flu that won't kill us? Something bigger is at play but until people start questioning instead of just believing what they are told the government overreach will only get worse
People are unbelievably stupid and gullible. We need a period of extremely hard times to weed out the soft men imo
 
Says the guy citing blog posts
Blogs and other non government controlled is more believable then what the paid off bias msm puts out.
Why is turbo cancer a new term? Maybe because doctors are noticing a big increase in fast spreading cancer in the vaxxed. Younger people getting cancer has also increased.

There's been doctors saying that the vaccine lowers ones ability to fight off cancer cells. they now don't give people with cancer the vaccine or any boosters. Was safe though 2 years ago though.

You're in a clinical trial bud, hope you didn't hurt your kids also. Wonder what they will discover next.
 
The Nobel Prize in medicine went to effective mRNA vaccines for treatment of COVID-19.

The vaxx wasn't effective, in fact dangerous and deadly.
And the scientific community awarded to cover ups and scams. Kind of irritating.
 
Blogs and other non government controlled is more believable then what the paid off bias msm puts out.
In other words, "what any paranoid layperson spouts on the net is more reliable than peer-reviewed data from medical professionals."

(also paid off by whom?, and for what discernable purpose?)

Fucking facebook groups are where people go to do their so-called 'research' these days.

The entire discourse just proves to me that the vast majority of people don't know how the scientific principle works, nor have ever spent any time around actual scientists.

As a group, the scientific community is almost pathologically honest, because rigorous honesty is the only way to go if you are concerned with finding out how REALITY WORKS.
Sure there's people who commit fraud because they want to look important, because human nature; but y'know who those get routinely called out by -? That's right, other scientists, who consider it nothing short of sacrilege to deliberately falsify data.

But sure ALL the hundreds of thousands of immunologists, virologists, biochemists and lab technicians worldwide are paid off to lie about everything. That makes so much sense.

Oh, but excuse me. I forgot that in your minds, government = bad, and somehow science = government, therefore science = bad. 🙄

Why is turbo cancer a new term? Maybe because doctors are noticing a big increase in fast spreading cancer in the vaxxed.
Cite your source. And 'someone in a lab coat on the internet' or any otherwise unsubstantiated assertions by self-proclaimed 'doctors' with no official accreditations, or who are disregarded by everyone else in their field, won't fly.
Younger people getting cancer has also increased.
For which there are any number of environmental factors as well as simply more efficient diagnostics and increased reporting. But sure just dump it on a vaccine.
There's been doctors saying that the vaccine lowers ones ability to fight off cancer cells. they now don't give people with cancer the vaccine or any boosters. Was safe though 2 years ago though.
Because know what? This totally outlandish idea that science adapts to new data.
Science never makes absolutist claims of a 'this is universally true now and forever' nature. Scientific recommendations go by THE BEST AVAILABLE EVIDENCE OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY KNOWN.
As more factors become known, we adjust our recommendations / pronouncements. And that is how the whole process WORKS. We can only ever make estimations from the best available data at the time. When that gets overhauled by new info, that doesn't mean people were lying to you before.

You're in a clinical trial bud, hope you didn't hurt your kids also.
The volunteers in the clinical trials were the TRIAL SUBJECTS, not the wider population. As for your kids, if you have any, I hope you're not rolling the dice with them on polio, measles, or whooping cough.
Wonder what they will discover next.
... Whatever we will discover next.
And then we'll adjust our perspective YET AGAIN, and present the new data to the public, who will predictably continue to BOTH accuse the whole body of medical science of being some dogmatic monolith that cannot be questioned, while at the same time bleating about how we obviously 'can't be trusted' because we keep changing the supposed 'dogma'.
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I just can' t with you people.
 
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How anyone thinks this is a good idea amazes me. But there are many who really think pharma and our government cares about us. They don't try this bs with the flu shot or regular vaccines soo why are they hell bent on forcing us to take something for a flu that won't kill us? Something bigger is at play but until people start questioning instead of just believing what they are told the government overreach will only get worse
I don't know why whoever laughed at this post. The British and American military industrial complex have conducted covert tests involving dispersal of both chemical and biological agents over the public going back a long time, and those are the operations that have been declassified and made public. Who knows what they done that hasn't seen the light of scrutiny.

Regardless of whether there is anything sinister or not, the notion that these people believe they have the right to disperse any such agents over the public without express consent is tyranny, period. I don't care if it's sugar sprinkles or VX agent. It shows quite clearly what they truly think of the public, and just how fucking insane they are.
The vaxx wasn't effective, in fact dangerous and deadly.
And the scientific community awarded to cover ups and scams. Kind of irritating.
I distinctly remember this. Look at her face. Does this look like someone who is proud of the achievement?

Watch @ 0:18
 
The Nobel Prize in medicine went to effective mRNA vaccines for treatment of COVID-19.

The vaxx wasn't effective, in fact dangerous and deadly.
And the scientific community awarded to cover ups and scams. Kind of irritating.
Nobel prizes have been meaningless for a while now. I still praise bob dylan for turning down the award they tried to give him. With all agencies and major institutions being captured, there isn’t any point in participating in them.
 
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