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@Dropperneck

equivocation fallacy, there are multiple definitions of 'pride' and it is pretty obvious to me that the lgbtq+ pride is the one where you are happy with who you are and not the pride that is cockiness and conceitedness.

or this one:

"respect and appreciation for oneself and others as members of a group and especially a marginalized group : solidarity with a group based on a shared identity, history, and experience"
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#2 here

www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of PRIDE

the quality or state of being proud: such as; reasonable self-esteem : confidence and satisfaction in oneself : self-respect; pleasure that comes from some relationship, association, achievement, or possession that is seen as a source of honor, respect, etc.… See the full definition
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you're joking, right? even until the 90s, gay ppl (and until recently trans ppl) lived in fear in many places in the country because bigots loved (and still do love, but much more rarely) using them as target practice, etc... i can't imagine living in such fear. shoot, there was a time in the u.s. where you would have to keep it a secret just to keep your job. a dude only as far back as 2015 joked to me about how where he was from, they used to drag trans people behind cars. it was funny to him, and it actually did happen. hate crimes against gay and trans ppl STILL happen. just now it is more acceptable in mainstream society... which, although bittersweet with the whole rainbow capitalism thing, is generally a good thing because it means they can live their lives.
 
New study from Denmark

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...content=etoc&utm_term=062723#figure-table-tab
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jamanetwork.com

Transgender Identity and Suicide Attempts and Mortality in Denmark

This nationwide cohort study in Denmark examines the association between individuals who identify as transgender and rates of suicide attempt and mortality (suicide, unrelated, and all cause).
jamanetwork.com jamanetwork.com
 
i found this noteworthy, from the study @Electrum1 just posted
The observed excess of suicidal behavior and mortality might, at least in part, constitute ramifications of minority stress. Transgender individuals may be exposed to systemic negativity regarding their trans identity in the form of bullying, discrimination, exclusion, and prejudice, which in turn may result in alienation and internalized stigma, mental health problems, and, ultimately, suicidal behavior.4,8,29-31 For instance, findings from the Project SEXUS study in Denmark revealed that 60% of transgender individuals had experienced abuse in the form of bullying or harassment, whereas 30% reported episodes of physical violence.4 In the 2015 US Transgender Survey, 46% of transgender individuals reported having been verbally harassed and 13% reported having been physically attacked within the past year.32 Moreover, transgender individuals have reported experiences of discrimination from health professionals.30,33
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Dropperneck said:
Chill out rabbi. And now if you even openly show the slightest dissent you can have you’re career ended or life ruined. Progress!
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i guess thank the right wing underregulation types for giving employers the power to fire you for almost any reason (besides disability, race, sex/ gender, religion, etc.)
 
they do apparently still identify as trans, not sure if that means they no longer identify as a girl but they definitely don't identify as a boy. is there evidence they had any kind of surgery or anything?

i won't lie, i'm not at all knowledgeable when it comes to gender affirming care. it's very new to me. did avery like medically transition? or are they only changing their identity?
 
Electrum1 said:
New study from Denmark



jamanetwork.com

Transgender Identity and Suicide Attempts and Mortality in Denmark

This nationwide cohort study in Denmark examines the association between individuals who identify as transgender and rates of suicide attempt and mortality (suicide, unrelated, and all cause).
jamanetwork.com jamanetwork.com
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We already knew this from previous studies. The study does not verify that "gender affirming care," aka surgery and drugs, solves the problem. Nor does it talk about children. The median age of participants was 22 y/o.
 
nepalnt21 said:
they do apparently still identify as trans, not sure if that means they no longer identify as a girl but they definitely don't identify as a boy. is there evidence they had any kind of surgery or anything?

i won't lie, i'm not at all knowledgeable when it comes to gender affirming care. it's very new to me. did avery like medically transition? or are they only changing their identity?
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I identified as a tractor with two shovels when I was a kid. Wonder how they make that happen.
 
Foreigner said:
We already knew this from previous studies. The study does not verify that "gender affirming care," aka surgery and drugs, solves the problem. Nor does it talk about children. The median age of participants was 22 y/o.
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I just saw a trans study that was published this week so I posted it in the trans discussion thread, wasn't trying to prove or argue any specific points
 
I personally think it’s part social contagion and part the end product of all these people bring on anti psychotics and anti depressants ect the whole time while being pregnant and giving birth to babies with abnormal brain chemistry
 
nepalnt21 said:
they do apparently still identify as trans, not sure if that means they no longer identify as a girl but they definitely don't identify as a boy. is there evidence they had any kind of surgery or anything?

i won't lie, i'm not at all knowledgeable when it comes to gender affirming care. it's very new to me. did avery like medically transition? or are they only changing their identity?
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There’s a yahoo news article if you’re interested, it’s what the text in that pic originates from. It’s pretty long and basically amounts to an advocacy piece by this individual’s mother, who has since become a trans rights activist. Avery isn’t quoted at all, and the article merely says that now they identify as “non-binary”. So make of that what you will…
 
jane douloureux said:

May 5, 2021​

Sweden’s Karolinska Ends All Use of Puberty Blockers and Cross-Sex Hormones for Minors Outside of Clinical Studies​

Concerns over medical harm and uncertain benefits result in a major policy shift.

February, 2022:
Sweden's National Board of Health and Welfare has followed the Karolinska's lead and issued a national policy update closely mirroring the policy adopted by the Karolinska. You can read more about Sweden's new policy regarding hormonal interventions for gender-dysphoric minors


Following a comprehensive review of evidence, the NBHW concluded that the evidence base for hormonal interventions for gender-dysphoric youth is of low quality, and that hormonal treatments may carry risks. NBHW also concluded that the evidence for pediatric transition comes from studies where the population was markedly different from the cases presenting for care today. In addition, NBHW noted increasing reports of detransition and transition-related regret among youth who transitioned in recent years.

what is “markedly different“ in the cases that are presenting for care in today vs just five years ago is that they are overwhelmingly the result of social contagion
there are the girls a 4000% increase
and then the parents who some are doing it for some social clout and others are well meaning but trying to raise their children gender neutral and fucking them up in the process and then you can’t help the kids because all the therapists are affirming care therapists unless you want to be dragged to hell and back and be called a transphobe for questioning anything. If you work with kids or have kids I would like know if you have seen any cases of what they now call ROGD rapid onset gender dysphoria and have you seen the genderbread person? and if you have what would your gender be by the definitions on the genderbread person I would technically be nonbinary much love to anyone who identifies that way but I’m not nonbinary. I feel like the genderbread person is regressive and insulting to everyone. We are more complex than then gender stereotypes being put forth today and it’s no wonder kids are confused.
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The left-wing progressive narratives are confusing the fuck out of minors, whose primary identities are not even done forming yet. The messaging has been so intense, all-pervasive, and top-down, without any conclusive scientific evidence that it's proper.

The ivory tower gender studies folks have gone too far by heavily advocating for this crap to be forced through the legislature and into the pedagogy of school boards. This is the result... an entire generation of children whose minds are being fucked up with gender messaging.

That's why Sweden's study shows the type of people showing up for gender care are totally different now. Social contagion.

Schools are supposed to be entrusted with our children's minds. Children listen to teachers because they are authority figures, and now they have abused that authority to push non-sense.

Las Veghost grower said:
I personally think it’s part social contagion and part the end product of all these people bring on anti psychotics and anti depressants ect the whole time while being pregnant and giving birth to babies with abnormal brain chemistry
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True. Also... the autism rate is suspiciously skyrocketing. Might be the way children are being born... labour is largely induced now, lots of drugs, c-sections, etc. Could also be vaccines... the schedule for infants is insane now. Hard to say for sure, but the rate has shot up drastically. Autistic children often feel dysphoria about their bodies, and this may be misattributed to gender dysphoria.

Clinicians pushing the increases in gender dysphoria diagnosis under some kind of virtue signalling progressive model are, IMO, violating medical ethics and should be sued for malpractice at the very least. At most, they should be charged with criminal negligence.

Kids aren't qualified to self-diagnose and there is no long-term clinical evidence that giving gender treatments to kids is good for them. As the Swedish study shows.

Why does "lack of evidence" mean that in Canada and the USA, doctors are just going ahead with it until something wrong shows up? Everyone should be doing what Sweden is doing: putting the brakes on until there is real evidence that this is sane.
 
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