⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[MydriHaze]

Through supporting neo liberal economic policies that have ruined this fucking country for one. Years ago homelessness was rare here but now it's fucking rampant and you have people sleeping in tents in the dead of winter because of greedy bastard land lords.

Your lot even though you are conservative are essentially the same as Trudeau

THIS is right wing integrisme, what you do on you're own on a world ruled by Anarchy

 

[paranoid android]

Trudeau fucking pisses me off though and so does his supporters. They make him out to be some left wing darling when in reality he is no different then harper was. I hate his father to for what he did to Communists in Canada. Fuck him and fuck his dad to

 

[alasdairm]

i'm not dodging anything @mal3volent - i'm trying to answer your questions.

Why do trans/nb people have the luxury of determining how others speak to them in public, but we don't?

i don't believe i've ever argued that.

if a trans person wants to be referred to by a specific pronoun or name, i'd respect that. if you want to be referred to by a specific pronoun or name, i'd respect that too.

alasdair

 

[Electrum1]

^ The daily fail is not even real news ffs. Try harder

Try harder? What's that supposed to mean? You think it's fake or something?

I posted a pic of the incident report from the fire department that isn't even from the article. It's been covered by other outlets, and local authorities and the community have made plenty of public comments about it that shouldn't be difficult for you to find

 

[mal3volent]

i'm not dodging anything @mal3volent - i'm trying to answer your questions.



i don't believe i've ever argued that.

if a trans person wants to be referred to by a specific pronoun or name, i'd respect that. if you want to be referred to by a specific pronoun or name, i'd respect that too.

alasdair

right, but as I said, pronouns aren't our issue. Lots of us don't want to be called cis or queer, but @nepalnt21 and others don't respect that. Do you think that's okay?

 

[paranoid android]

Try harder? What's that supposed to mean? You think it's fake or something?

I posted a pic of the incident report from the fire department that isn't even from the article. It's been covered by other outlets, and local authorities and the community have made plenty of public comments about it that shouldn't be difficult for you to find

I automatically think anything from the daily dail is fake news. They are more of a tabloid then a news source

 

[Las Veghost grower]

ok, show us some logic/ rationale for once.

how is 'cis' a slur?

you won't, because you NEVER substantiate any of your opinions. you're one big ball of empty rhetoric.

Why would I bother substantiating anything to people who have proven time and time again to be so completely brain washed…you literally don’t understand that “cis” people have every right to not want to be called cis, just as much of a right as gay people don’t want to be called faggots or trans people don’t want to be called trannys/tranvestites…you have a fundamental misunderstanding of a lot of things, it’s not my job to make you logical, you have to want that on your own, but your happy being a extremist

 

[alasdairm]

right, but as I said, pronouns aren't our issue. Lots of us don't want to be called cis or queer, but @nepalnt21 and others don't respect that. Do you think that's okay?

no i don't.

if a trans person wants to be called "they" and you don't want to be called "cis", same thing.

but... help me understand why you don't want to be called "cis"?

i don't want to be called brainwashed, a moron, etc. simply because i have a difference of opinion, but that happens in here 5 times a day

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

but... help me understand why you don't want to be called "cis"?

i don't want to be called brainwashed, a moron, etc. simply because i have a difference of opinion, but that happens in here 5 times a day

I want to be called a man, because that's what I am. And I don't want any qualifications on that. Especially not with words that no one used 5 years ago.

If there are any posts you think violate the guidelines of the forum you're posting in please report them.

 

[nepalnt21]

I'm not a pedo supporter.

neither am i. and if you're gonna respond, i'd appreciate it if you didn't put the pedal to the metal on the baseless insults.

You are the one giving expiremental vaccines to kids

as a father, it is important to be informed and do the smart thing to keep them as healthy and safe as possible. and since the vaccine has not really harmed people ANYWHERE NEAR the magnitude of the virus... wait, isn't there a thread for this? o wait, you never have anything to say about it in good faith, so you just want to use it as a bludgeon because you mistakenly think of it as an insult.

i also put my kids in car seats, using seat belts.

and fanning for sexualizing them.

why can't you argue without these attacks? i don't think i remember anybody here advocating for sexualizing kids. advocating for sex ed does not equal wanting sexualization, just like advocating for drug education doesn't mean i advocate for creating junkies.

Trust me you have done more harm than I ever would.

i trust people who have done the research, your sophistry tells me you haven't done a shred of it. lack of education leads to worse outcomes. full stop.

Lots of us don't want to be called cis or queer, but @nepalnt21 and others don't respect that. Do you think that's okay?

cis is a neutral description, and it is informative in some situations. i have yet to see a convincing argument as to how it's a slur. i'm all ears.

"smooth" is also a descriptor, and if people suddenly decided it was a slur, i'd wanna know why.

and i never said anything about "queer"... why do you keep trying these dishonest tactics? i consider myself queer, so it is not scratched out of my vocab, but since it IS used as a slur and has widely been used a slur, i for sure will not call you that.

it makes zero sense to ban 'cis'.

Why would I bother substantiating anything to people who have proven time and time again to be so completely brain washed

oh the irony. the user least able to critically think is calling me brainwashed. how predictable.

you literally don’t understand

... which is why i'm asking. you're really into circular "logic". you NEVER substantiate. at this point, i am sure you're a troll.

I don't want any qualifications on that.

i don't think anyone here has even called you a cis man, at least outside of this debate (if it has happened at all).

but the idea that the word "cis" is a slur is asinine.

i don't think anyone serious is talking about doing away with the word "man" and replacing it with "cis- man". some people use the term, and it has descriptive properties in certain contexts.

banning it and implying it is inherently a slur is ridiculous, and it is obvious to me that the people wanting to do away with the term "cis" (like elon) or are trying to paint it as inherently a slur are doing it from a place of transphobia, ie trying to erase the idea that there can be cis men and trans men.

 

[nepalnt21]

jebus flutzing ice, try and read a little.

here

people wanting to do away with the term "cis" (like elon) or are trying to paint it as inherently a slur are doing it from a place of transphobia, ie trying to erase the idea that there can be cis men and trans men.

 

[Electrum1]

banning it and implying it is inherently a slur is ridiculous, and it is obvious to me that the people wanting to do away with the term "cis" (like elon) or are trying to paint it as inherently a slur are doing it from a place of transphobia, ie trying to erase the idea that there can be cis men and trans men.

Oh okay, so not wanting to be labeled "cis" is "from a place of transphobia" now. What is it with you using labels to try and shame people into moving towards your preferred positions/beliefs?

 

[Electrum1]

jesus, try and read a little

Yeah dude I read your essay. What now? I'm "bad faith" or something?

 

[nepalnt21]

you're just flat out bullshitting. i highlighted the pertinent quote, read it again and try and understand it.

 

[Electrum1]

What if, it is a slur. That's how I mostly see it used, as a slur by non "cis" people

 

[nepalnt21]

then it should be easy to explain how

 

[mal3volent]

neither am i. and if you're gonna respond, i'd appreciate it if you didn't put the pedal to the metal on the baseless insults.


as a father, it is important to be informed and do the smart thing to keep them as healthy and safe as possible. and since the vaccine has not really harmed people ANYWHERE NEAR the magnitude of the virus... wait, isn't there a thread for this? o wait, you never have anything to say about it in good faith, so you just want to use it as a bludgeon because you mistakenly think of it as an insult.

i also put my kids in car seats, using seat belts.


why can't you argue without these attacks? i don't think i remember anybody here advocating for sexualizing kids. advocating for sex ed does not equal wanting sexualization, just like advocating for drug education doesn't mean i advocate for creating junkies.



i trust people who have done the research, your sophistry tells me you haven't done a shred of it. lack of education leads to worse outcomes. full stop.



cis is a neutral description, and it is informative in some situations. i have yet to see a convincing argument as to how it's a slur. i'm all ears.

"smooth" is also a descriptor, and if people suddenly decided it was a slur, i'd wanna know why.

and i never said anything about "queer"... why do you keep trying these dishonest tactics? i consider myself queer, so it is not scratched out of my vocab, but since it IS used as a slur and has widely been used a slur, i for sure will not call you that.

it makes zero sense to ban 'cis'.


oh the irony. the user least able to critically think is calling me brainwashed. how predictable.



... which is why i'm asking. you're really into circular "logic". you NEVER substantiate. at this point, i am sure you're a troll.



i don't think anyone here has even called you a cis man, at least outside of this debate (if it has happened at all).

but the idea that the word "cis" is a slur is asinine.

i don't think anyone serious is talking about doing away with the word "man" and replacing it with "cis- man". some people use the term, and it has descriptive properties in certain contexts.

banning it and implying it is inherently a slur is ridiculous, and it is obvious to me that the people wanting to do away with the term "cis" (like elon) or are trying to paint it as inherently a slur are doing it from a place of transphobia, ie trying to erase the idea that there can be cis men and trans men.

can I ask what the purpose of cis is exactly.

man - trans man
woman - trans woman

what is the utility of adding an extra descriptor , other than to put a label on billions of people that they didn't ask for.

You're getting hung up on the semantics of "slur". My basic point is, if trans people can ask to be referred to this, not referred to as that, then we should get that same respect. I'm not "cis", or "queer", or any of the other words invented out of boredom and decadence. Leave me out of it. It's a small request.

 

[Droppersneck]

I’ve gone woke recently. I have started referring to women and as non men irl.

 

[nepalnt21]

@mal3volent

but my goal is not to label you as a cis man. i could care less. it's not about wanting to label every non- trans- dude a cis man in all instances.

i am fighting the idea that the word "cis" is inherently a slur. it's not merely semantics (although i do love a good semantics battle).

i feel like your argument is "i don't want to be called 'bald', thefore 'bald' is a slur... why can't i just be an eagle?" while animal planet bans the word.

 

[Jen X]

Through supporting neo liberal economic policies that have ruined this fucking country for one. Years ago homelessness was rare here but now it's fucking rampant and you have people sleeping in tents in the dead of winter because of greedy bastard land lords.

Your lot even though you are conservative are essentially the same as Trudeau

When did I say I was conservative? I didn't because I'm not. Thank Trudeau and the eastern voters for the mess. My property tax doubled. There's a tent city in every park in my city since Trudeau took power.
I do agree with cutting the carbon tax that the conservatives want to implement.
As for communism that never works. You're asking for a dictator when we have one in office already.