I revisited this combo two weeks ago, fine-tuning dosing and timing, and man, I have to say, It blew my mind again! Dosing was as follows:
T-0:00 45mg 5-MAPB (HCL)
T+1:00 145 +++ crystal MDMA
T+2:30 10mg 2cb (HCL) volumetrically dosed.
I will preface this with the modifier that my wife and I are in our mid-forties and only partake solo or as a couple at home or an Airbnb stay. Festivals and groups of people ran their course for us, and in proper Gen X form, avoid people at all costs so we could be as weird as possible in seclusion.
@G_Chem had mentioned earlier in this thread that the quality of the material is essential to experience the fullness of this combo, and i could not agree more. I have posted a couple of different attempts at this combo over the years and can absolutely tell the difference when the highest quality ingredients are used, particularly with the peebs.
In the past, I had tried to use some of the
mehDMA I was holding onto, and the combo did balance things out to make things more consistent, but I did not notice an increase in potency when combining with
meh. It merely extended the
meh-ness. In other words, The
meh was extended and a joy to experience, but it was not mind-blowing. Additionally, I have to say; I am opposed to the MDMA redose.
For one of my first attempts, I followed G_chem's directions. The experience was great and truly opened my eyes to
something that had been missing, but it felt like the
something could be more than it was without overdoing it. That said, in my experience with this combo, substituting the redose with a small dose of 2cb, took me places I had never been before, the comedown was completely nonexistent, and the afterglow was insanely good. So good that I couldn't help but wonder when I would crash back to reality and assume my standard more cynical view of the world.
I should state at this point that while I love the immediate effects during the experience itself, my research is more in the integration phase. How can this carry over into my day-to-day life? Can I experience something with the help of substances that makes a lasting impact without leaving me in a place anticipating the next
experience? Trading out the redose for the 2cb and playing around with the timing truly gave me that experience this last time. In my almost 30 years of experience with psychedelics, this was the first that gave me the lasting impact on my daily life.
Something to note before we dive in, no prestack supplements were used beyond my normal one-a-day vitamins and a daily dose of 1000mg NAC for 30 days leading up to the experience, stopping three days short of drop time. Personally, I think the NAC has a larger effect on the 2C's than it does with the MDMA. My thought is that cleansing the oxidative stress creates a better environment for the 2cb to operate in the brain. Additionally, no THC until I was very aware I was in the comedown phase. In the past, typically, if I started to feel anxious during the peebs comeup, I would take a hit of a vape. This time I practiced moderation (temperance?) and waited on the weed. I know some love the
weed throughout mentality, but I digress. I could tell a significant difference between
throughout and at the end of this combo. Its as though the THC dumbs down the experience and you don't get the full deal if you partake too early.
For the experience itself, after dropping the peebs, an average sense of anxiety begins to build within 15 minutes or so. The anxiety mostly surrounds knowing something awesome is about to jump off but not knowing when the fasten seatbelt sign will turn off, allowing us to move freely. It is not scary in any sense, if you have experience. It is more the idea of feeling it begin to work and waiting in anticipation for when it reaches the peak. On that note, the peebs certainly take longer to hit the "holy shit, this is awesome phase." After doing the combo multiple times, it is more knowing that I wont begin to hit the part I am looking forward to until I drop the M. That hour long period can feel tedious, particularly if it is a solo roll and you are left to your own devises.
It is almost instantaneous when you drop the M at the one-hour mark. As I stated in an earlier post, within a few minutes of taking the MDMA, it's like you are overcome with the feeling of wanting to breathe deeply, slowly pacing through the living room, waving air into your face as it starts to overtake you. I have noticed this portion last significantly longer on the combo than it does with either taken alone.
In the past, each does was taken an hour apart. This time, assumedly because higher doses were taken, it was too overwhelming (though never fearful) to take the 2cb at the one-hour mark. I waited until the 90-minute mark, and man... it was a completely different experience doing it that short time later. I believe the moe mellow effects of the peebs, lasting longer than the M, held with the general vibe of a low dose 2cb, brought about this mystical ethereal experience where even as I laid down to go to sleep, my whole body vibrated with euphoria, comfortable to simply lay there humming over and over with pleasure and peace.
I took the first hit of an indica vape pen maybe 30 minutes before we moved to the bedroom to just lay there and space out. at T+7:00, I was laying in bed, staring at a black light saying, "I can see every particle and molecule in the air we breathe. We are so connected to the elements. Can you feel it? Do you see it? the visuals from the 2cb were not overwhelming at all. Quite the opposite. It was as though I was seeing all the minute, minuscule things in the house that I had never noticed before, so much so that it felt like I could see the air I was breathing. At the end of the night, the only supplements taken were, Edelberry (a stronger antioxidant than Vit-C) and R-ALA.
With the M redose, I was much more wired than I wanted to be toward the end of the night. Switching that out with the 2cb created an almost unnoticeable glide back to reality, but I did not experience that reality until I woke up the next day. All-in-all, the expereince lasted a solid 7-8 hours, with very noticeable effects, before I fell asleep. 10/10 would recommend!!
I know this may deviate some from the forum, but I am going to ask anyway. I will be partaking of my first mescaline experience via homemade tea from a Bridgesii Cacti (Sals Blues). I have heard people say, "It's like MDMA but not." or, "it's a more chill natural MDMA euphoria." I am interested to hear from people that have tried this combo or the peebs alone; how does that compare to a mescaline tea?
@G_Chem I am particularly interested in hearing your experience, contrasting the two, as I have read and reread many of your reports on mescaline. What are the biggest differences I will notice aside from the length of the experience and come-up time?
