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Now that the dust has settled, do any of you have regrets for believing the conspiracies about Russia collusion?

brokedownpalace10 said:
"It's funny that some people believed that any American who was talking shit about Killary online was working for some troll farm in the Kremlin LOL."
Is obviously putting words in my mouth to get your talking point online.
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I said some people, didn't even say you specifically.
And it was actually a lot of people who were believing this around the Trump/Killary election.

brokedownpalace10 said:
Didn't think you were a Russian troll, scooter. However, using that tactic would be a data point added to the Russian troll column in your case.
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If Russia is in your focus even at all with regards to US domestic policies, then you're being distracted.
And notice that the actual Russian/Ukrainian collusion (Uranium One/Burisma) is not brought up by the media at all.
 
They leave out that the feds have been going after her and threatening her since she said she would testify about a claim she has made since the 90s. As creepy as Biden is, I believe her.
But I guarantee the establishment turns this into part of the Russia conspiracy. Like she was working with Putin to steal the 2016 election or something corny like that, and the lemmings will eat it up. When you see this happen, ping me and send me Link plz

12ft

12ft.io
 
Dropperneck said:
They leave out that the feds have been going after her and threatening her since she said she would testify about a claim she has made since the 90s. As creepy as Biden is, I believe her.
But I guarantee the establishment turns this into part of the Russia conspiracy. Like she was working with Putin to steal the 2016 election or something corny like that, and the lemmings will eat it up. When you see this happen, ping me and send me Link plz

12ft

12ft.io
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Lol. Wow. Thanks for this. That's an article to just share and say nothing. Speaks for itself.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
Lol. Wow. Thanks for this. That's an article to just share and say nothing. Speaks for itself.
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She’s made the claims since it happened in the 90s, and was asked to testify in front of congress. Then the doj and fbi started going after her. So instead of being suicided or charged with some made up crime she defected. Can’t blame her tbh
 
Dropperneck said:
She’s made the claims since it happened in the 90s, and was asked to testify in front of congress. Then the doj and fbi started going after her. So instead of being suicided or charged with some made up crime she defected. Can’t blame her tbh
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Riiiiight
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
Riiiiight
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That’s all indisputable fact, well granted she’s being honest about the threats to her by the doj and feds. I forget that with wing cucks it’s only opposite team claims that are legit. She was a democrat too lol. Wonder if the lore of the Russia conspiracy will craft her into part of the Putin syndicate that stole the 2016 election. That would make me happy
 
Ignoring the "Russian collusion" it still appears to the rest of the planet that Trump's admiration for Putin could have emboldened the Russian president's "special military action". It is painfully obvious that his hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan forced the coalition's withdrawal also....handing the country to the Taliban. If he didn't need someone to wag the dog at, I'd bet he would have been equally quick to hand Taiwan to China.
 
carbonhalo said:
Ignoring the "Russian collusion" it still appears to the rest of the planet that Trump's admiration for Putin could have emboldened the Russian president's "special military action". It is painfully obvious that his hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan forced the coalition's withdrawal also....handing the country to the Taliban. If he didn't need someone to wag the dog at, I'd bet he would have been equally quick to hand Taiwan to China.
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Liberals want to claim ending the Afghanistan war was acksually bad, yet also say it’s drumpfs fault the exit was a disaster when the establishment completely ignored the plans and withdrew all at once, and not in a staggered way it was supposed to be executed. War is bad, we should pull all of our troops from everywhere, but do it in a strategic way. Not the way biden did it lol
 
Dropperneck said:
Liberals want to claim ending the Afghanistan war was acksually bad, yet also say it’s drumpfs fault the exit was a disaster when the establishment completely ignored the plans and withdrew all at once, and not in a staggered way it was supposed to be executed. War is bad, we should pull all of our troops from everywhere, but do it in a strategic way. Not the way biden did it lol
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Lol. Feb. 2020

Consistent with the joint assessment and determinationbetween the United States and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete the withdrawal of their remaining forces from Afghanistan within14months following the announcementof this joint declarationand the U.S.-Taliban agreement, and will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases, subject to the Taliban’s fulfillment of its commitments under the U.S.-Taliban agreement.


Russia was the only place Tara Reade had to go? I don't think that anyone else I link that article to will draw your conclusions. Thanks again.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
Lol. Feb. 2020

Consistent with the joint assessment and determinationbetween the United States and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete the withdrawal of their remaining forces from Afghanistan within14months following the announcementof this joint declarationand the U.S.-Taliban agreement, and will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases, subject to the Taliban’s fulfillment of its commitments under the U.S.-Taliban agreement.


Russia was the only place Tara Reade had to go? I don't think that anyone else I link that article to will draw your conclusions. Thanks again.
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They didn’t follow the staggered plan laid out to get the equipment out, and just purposefully left in a few days. Not sure what their reasoning was, but it was a disaster.
There aren’t many countries you can defect to in order to escape the cia.
 
Dropperneck said:
They didn’t follow the staggered plan laid out to get the equipment out, and just purposefully left in a few days. Not sure what their reasoning was, but it was a disaster.
There aren’t many countries you can defect to in order to escape the cia.
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There you go again. Trump ordered direct talks with the Taliban without consulting with our allies and partners or allowing the Afghan government at the negotiating table. In September 2019, President Trump publicly considering inviting them to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11. In February 2020, the United States and the Taliban reached a deal, known as the Doha Agreement, under which the United States agreed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021. In return, the Taliban agreed to participate in a peace process and refrain from attacking U.S. troopsand threatening Afghanistan’s major cities—but only as long as the United States remained committed to withdraw by the agreement’s deadline. As part of the deal, President Trump also pressured the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban fighters from prison, including senior war commanders, without securing the release of the only American hostage known to be held by the Taliban.

Over his last 11 months in office, President Trump ordered a series of withdrawals of U.S. troops. By June 2020, 8,600. In September 2020, 4,500. A month later, President Trump tweeted that the remaining U.S. troops in Afghanistan should be “home by Christmas!” On September 28, 2021, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley testified that, on November 11, he had received an unclassified signed order directing the U.S. military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than January 15, 2021. One week later, that order was rescinded and replaced with one to draw down to 2,500 troops by the same date.

The outgoing Trump administration provided no plans for how to conduct the final withdrawal or to evacuate Americans. Indeed, there were no such plans in place when President Biden came into office with the agreed upon full withdrawal just over three months away. As a result, when President Biden took office on January 20, 2021, the Taliban were in the strongest military position that they had been in since 2001, controlling or contesting nearly half of the country. At the same time, the United States had only 2,500 troops on the ground—the lowest number of troops in Afghanistan since 2001—and President Biden was facing President Trump’s near-term deadline to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021, or the Taliban would resume its attacks on U.S.

To create the stability to withdraw in an organized fashion, Biden would have had to send in more troops. Biden pushed back the full withdrawal date in stages till August 2021 while the Taliban did resume attacks on May 1, the original date of the agreement.

Trump promised to withdraw before his talks with the Taliban, which is patently stupid in any negotiation, left our allies, Afghani and others, out of the talks, and left Biden in a ridiculously weak position. Biden had the choice to do what he did or break the treaty, send more troops in, and resume hostilities... pretty much as Trump had planned.

Every American and Afghani who died during Trump's bid to hand Biden a shit choice which he could capitalize on politically is the fault of Mr. Trump. He has their blood on his hands. So do you for being part of the politics of it.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
There you go again. Trump ordered direct talks with the Taliban without consulting with our allies and partners or allowing the Afghan government at the negotiating table. In September 2019, President Trump publicly considering inviting them to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11. In February 2020, the United States and the Taliban reached a deal, known as the Doha Agreement, under which the United States agreed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021. In return, the Taliban agreed to participate in a peace process and refrain from attacking U.S. troopsand threatening Afghanistan’s major cities—but only as long as the United States remained committed to withdraw by the agreement’s deadline. As part of the deal, President Trump also pressured the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban fighters from prison, including senior war commanders, without securing the release of the only American hostage known to be held by the Taliban.

Over his last 11 months in office, President Trump ordered a series of withdrawals of U.S. troops. By June 2020, 8,600. In September 2020, 4,500. A month later, President Trump tweeted that the remaining U.S. troops in Afghanistan should be “home by Christmas!” On September 28, 2021, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley testified that, on November 11, he had received an unclassified signed order directing the U.S. military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than January 15, 2021. One week later, that order was rescinded and replaced with one to draw down to 2,500 troops by the same date.

The outgoing Trump administration provided no plans for how to conduct the final withdrawal or to evacuate Americans. Indeed, there were no such plans in place when President Biden came into office with the agreed upon full withdrawal just over three months away. As a result, when President Biden took office on January 20, 2021, the Taliban were in the strongest military position that they had been in since 2001, controlling or contesting nearly half of the country. At the same time, the United States had only 2,500 troops on the ground—the lowest number of troops in Afghanistan since 2001—and President Biden was facing President Trump’s near-term deadline to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021, or the Taliban would resume its attacks on U.S.

To create the stability to withdraw in an organized fashion, Biden would have had to send in more troops. Biden pushed back the full withdrawal date in stages till August 2021 while the Taliban did resume attacks on May 1, the original date of the agreement.

Trump promised to withdraw before his talks with the Taliban, which is patently stupid in any negotiation, left our allies, Afghani and others, out of the talks, and left Biden in a ridiculously weak position. Biden had the choice to do what he did or break the treaty, send more troops in, and resume hostilities... pretty much as Trump had planned.

Every American and Afghani who died during Trump's bid to hand Biden a shit choice which he could capitalize on politically is the fault of Mr. Trump. He has their blood on his hands. So do you for being part of the politics of it.
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It was on that administration to do it, trying to have their cake and eat it too here. This is essentially the MIC coping and seething bc they were forced to leave a place they occupied. The onus was on the Biden admin, he was installed and campaigned on being the more level headed choice yet everything he’s touched has went to shit. If trump had not ‘lost’ and things turned out the same way this would all be on him, if his admin had done such a poor job. the big difference is these CIA papers would be rubbing it in and not writing elaborate excuses. Just my opinion though.
 
Dropperneck said:
It was on that administration to do it, trying to have their cake and eat it too here. This is essentially the MIC coping and seething bc they were forced to leave a place they occupied. The onus was on the Biden admin, he was installed and campaigned on being the more level headed choice yet everything he’s touched has went to shit. If trump had not ‘lost’ and things turned out the same way this would all be on him, if his admin had done such a poor job. the big difference is these CIA papers would be rubbing it in and not writing elaborate excuses. Just my opinion though.
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Didn't read that either, didja scooter? Pretty much all verifiable.
 
Dropperneck said:
I know enough to know I don’t trust a thing the establishment says. Only judge actions
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I remember reading about the drawdowns when Trump was President. I also remember him saying the troops would be home by Christmas.

Damn, they have some organized conspiracies with how they can release this info over months and years, Public statements by the Chiefs of Staff and them not publicly countering them and all! Wonder why Trump didn't publicly counter all that as fake news as it was being reported!

The conspiracy goes all the way up to Trump!
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
I remember reading about the drawdowns when Trump was President. I also remember him saying the troops would be home by Christmas.

Damn, they have some organized conspiracies with how they can release this info over months and years, Public statements by the Chiefs of Staff and them not publicly countering them and all! Wonder why Trump didn't publicly counter all that as fake news as it was being reported!

The conspiracy goes all the way up to Trump!
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Trump wasn’t in office ‘Biden’ was in charge. You can have your cake, and eat it too, but only with other indoctrinated pro establishment people.
 
so it is all settled?
man, thats a lot to read through; could ya gimme like a TL;DR versiom?
 
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