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Now that the dust has settled, do any of you have regrets for believing the conspiracies about Russia collusion?

As a Medical Doctor in training
barely passing one semester at dental school is hardly enough to make such bold claims. if the vaccines are killing so many people, it shouldn't be hard to find solid evidence and post it in one of the covid threads (please tag me, i try not to visit those threads often)
 
Based fellow noticer. How are things in Australia? Did they push the Russia conspiracies there too? What cracks me up the most is you have these neo liberals watching shit on TV that amounts to the pro establishment version of Alex Jones. We have this one lunatic named Rachel maddow, and she pushed the establishment’s conspiracies for years, and they are still pushing them. Adam shiff is still sticking by all of the nonsense he pushed.
Yeah we had some pretty rabid anti-Trumpers down here. It was pretty funny.

I also think it's interesting how Trump prevented the cabal from escalating their war against Russia (using Ukraine). Trump wasn't interested in war and by that alone I'd consider him the best president in modern history. He dropped the ball during Covid with the vax unfortunately and didn't make any effective structural changes but they didn't make it easy for him, and part of the Russiagate conspiracy was to obstruct him from focusing on political change and also to make sure that the relationship between USA/Russia didn't improve. This insane war against Russia was always their goal and as soon as they put Biden in power it was game on. He's directly responsible for wiping out an entire generation of Ukrainian men and these dumbfuck idiots will still sit there and say Biden is a better president than Trump.

Former Israeli PM Bennett Says US ‘Blocked’ His Attempts at a Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal
 
Yeah we had some pretty rabid anti-Trumpers down here. It was pretty funny.

I also think it's interesting how Trump prevented the cabal from escalating their war against Russia (using Ukraine). Trump wasn't interested in war and by that alone I'd consider him the best president in modern history. He dropped the ball during Covid with the vax unfortunately and didn't make any effective structural changes but they didn't make it easy for him, and part of the Russiagate conspiracy was to obstruct him from focusing on political change and also to make sure that the relationship between USA/Russia didn't improve. This insane war against Russia was always their goal and as soon as they put Biden in power it was game on. He's directly responsible for wiping out an entire generation of Ukrainian men and these dumbfuck idiots will still sit there and say Biden is a better president than Trump.

Former Israeli PM Bennett Says US ‘Blocked’ His Attempts at a Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal
It’s amazing to me that they frame this meat grinder of a war as some sort of fight for freedom. Putin has postured to make Donbas and even Crimea autonomous zones for a decade, but the west needs war to maintain their banking grift.
Ya trump fucked up on Covid and the vaxx big time, he’s still pushing that shit lol. But being the first president to not start a war is big in my eyes. Have you seen much about desantis there? I didn’t think they could find a more zogged candidate than Pompeo, but they did.
 
It’s amazing to me that they frame this meat grinder of a war as some sort of fight for freedom. Putin has postured to make Donbas and even Crimea autonomous zones for a decade, but the west needs war to maintain their banking grift.
Ya trump fucked up on Covid and the vaxx big time, he’s still pushing that shit lol. But being the first president to not start a war is big in my eyes. Have you seen much about desantis there? I didn’t think they could find a more zogged candidate than Pompeo, but they did.
yeah DeSantis signing an anti-free speech bill in Israel was pretty eye-opening. He's doing a lot of good socially down there but he reeks of controlled op.
 
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials?hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government?began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November. In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks?s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.
 
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials?hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government?began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November. In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks?s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.
What was your take on Hilary paying for the Steele dossier, and it never being verified, yet still being used to get a warrant to Spy on the trump campaign and presidency? This is all fact the establishment doesn’t even deny, only ignores.
 
What was your take on Hilary paying for the Steele dossier, and it never being verified, yet still being used to get a warrant to Spy on the trump campaign and presidency? This is all fact the establishment doesn’t even deny, only ignores.
It wasn't used to get the warrant. That is gone over in my quote from the Mueller Report above. We established in a previous thread that you had never read it. Now you haven't even read the digestible morsel I've provided. You haven't read it twice.
Yet you do continue to go on.

BTW, the Washington Free Beacon, an ultra right wing website, paid to start the Steele Dossier. That's a fact you seem to continue to ignore.
 
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It wasn't used to get the warrant. That is gone over in my quote from the Mueller Report above. We established in a previous thread that you had never read it. Now you haven't even read the digestible morsel I've provided. You haven't read it twice.
Yet you do continue to go on.

BTW, the Washington Free Beacon, an ultra right wing website, paid to start the Steele Dossier. That's a fact you seem to continue to ignore.
I’m guessing you missed the Durham report 🫤. I do remember reading a conspiracy theorist wine auntish Rachel maddow mental gymnastics inspired diatribe about how Russia collision acksually happened. I have a hard time responding to this stuff. What I stated is fact, and not in dispute.
 
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I’m guessing you missed the Durham report 🫤
Na. Figured that true nothing burger was why you started this thread.
Appointed by Barr, wasn't he? 'Nuff said there.
Only three prosecutions resulting in one guilty plea... from a case referred to him by the Justice Department's IG. Other two were acquittals.
Nothing in the report undid core findings by Mueller that Russia had interfered with the 2016 election in sweeping fashion.
Don't imagine Biden will have to misuse his powers pardoning anyone like Trump repeatedly did.
 
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A bit off topic, but did the establishment ever explain how Biden got 11 million more votes than Obama with half the number of counties?
 
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A bit off topic, but did the establishment ever explain how Biden got 11 million more votes than Obama with half the number of counties?
Ummm, because some of those counties have, like, three people? The way Trump waged war against blue states, it's not too surprising that they were such landslides.

Why this county obsession? You do know that counties mean pretty much nothing, right? States only matter due to the Electoral College.

Путин — разжигатель войны и тоскует по Хиллари в темноте ночи.
 
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A bit off topic, but did the establishment ever explain how Biden got 11 million more votes than Obama with half the number of counties?
So you know, I've seen your fire hose of disinformation on here before. No matter how proven wrong, how many times, you'll just spout something new and bounce back up like a punch bag clown. Your credibility is less than stellar.
I'll respond until I'm tired of you. Then I won't. Ain't worth it.
 
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Just another waste of time. I never once gave that man enough credit to conspire or plan anything. He literally just sat around watched Fox News, played on Twitter, and played golf. Everybody giving him credit for everything. Big old waste of time. Dude doesn't even understand how our government works.

I will certainly agree that the Russia investigation was a big old fat wasted time. But you have to agree that Trump pushing the election results is also an equally dangerous waste of time. And for those reasons I'm out
 
I gave him four years, he blew it , I'm moving on , suggest you do too. Otherwise we'll be stuck with Democrats forever
 
Ummm, because some of those counties have, like, three people? The way Trump waged war against blue states, it's not too surprising that they were such landslides.

Why this county obsession? You do know that counties mean pretty much nothing, right? States only matter due to the Electoral College.

Путин — разжигатель войны и тоскует по Хиллари в темноте ночи.
You’re an easy sell, what was your explanation for bellweather counties?
 
Just another waste of time. I never once gave that man enough credit to conspire or plan anything. He literally just sat around watched Fox News, played on Twitter, and played golf. Everybody giving him credit for everything. Big old waste of time. Dude doesn't even understand how our government works.

I will certainly agree that the Russia investigation was a big old fat wasted time. But you have to agree that Trump pushing the election results is also an equally dangerous waste of time. And for those reasons I'm out
Do you think using fake evidence to justify spying on a president is not worth while investigating?
The 2020 election was very unusual, to say the least. They even admitted to ‘fortifying’ it in time magazine.
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You’re an easy sell, what was your explanation for bellweather counties?
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And what is your, scientific explanation for bellweather counties? You're funny.

What "fake evidence" did they start the Russia probe on? Durham pretty much concluded that it made a lot of sense to start an investigation after the tip from the Austrian diplomat. He kinda said the investigation should have been preliminary instead of a full investigation, that they should have gone more slowly, but he did say it made sense to move on the evidence they had.
There you go again.
 
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And what is your, scientific explanation for bellweather counties? You're funny.

What "fake evidence" did they start the Russia probe on? Durham pretty much concluded that it made a lot of sense to start an investigation after the tip from the Austrian diplomat. He kinda said the investigation should have been preliminary instead of a full investigation, that they should have gone more slowly, but he did say it made sense to move on the evidence they had.
There you go again.
The fisa court approved the warrant under the premise that the Steele dossier was legitimate. They found that no one in the establishment even found any legitimacy of the Steele dossier. They are so mad about the Durham report bc everyone on both sides essentially admitted it was fabricated early on, yet they lied to hamstring drumpfs term. So do you genuinely still believe the Russia conspiracy stuff? Reminds of that .win site with Q people. But I guess at least you guys had the TV telling you it was true. So I don’t blame neo liberals as much.
 
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Just another waste of time. I never once gave that man enough credit to conspire or plan anything. He literally just sat around watched Fox News, played on Twitter, and played golf. Everybody giving him credit for everything. Big old waste of time. Dude doesn't even understand how our government works.

I will certainly agree that the Russia investigation was a big old fat wasted time. But you have to agree that Trump pushing the election results is also an equally dangerous waste of time. And for those reasons I'm out
Mueller concluded that Trump at least welcomed help from the Russians. But, here's the thing guy. It doesn't matter if you think Trump colluded, conspired with, or had sex with the Russians. He's running out of feet to shoot himself in anyway.

However, it is very clearly stated in Mueller and there are reams of evidence elsewhere that the Russians interfered in the 2016 campaign to unprecedented levels help Trump. A Russian official has even made a statement threatening to "again help our partner," former President Donald Trump, "to become president."

While Trump is certainly an asset, and one they could use since they are losing in Ukraine, the bigger picture is that they are also working very hard to exploit divisions in America.

Russian political scientist Malek Dudakov said on "The Evening With Vladimir Soloviev".

"With Europe, economic wars should take priority. With America, we should be working to amplify the divisions and — in light of our limited abilities — to deepen the polarization of American society, There is a horrific polarization of society in the United States, very serious conflicts between the Democrats and Republicans that keep expanding. You've already mentioned that America is a dying empire — and most empires weren't conquered, they were destroyed from within. The same fate likely awaits America in the near decade," he continued. "That's why, when all the processes are thawed, Russia might get the chance to play on that."

So, they want us to fight, they want to help elect a divisive President who will divide us more, and they see that as their only chance of winning.
And anyone who downplays the Russians, deifies them, helps them to justify their actions, or minimize their crimes is ̶a̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶i̶t̶o̶r̶ colluding themselves.

Think what you will about Trump.
 
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