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2024 US Presidential Election

alasdairm said:
indeed!

i posted a tweet from him recently in which he made a statement about 'doing something' about the nra. now mysteriously deleted as he shores up his establishment cred.

alasdair
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I’m curious, what ‘needs’ to be done about the NRA? As a lobbying group it has fiscal corruption that irks me but it is also currently the only major 2A-lobbying group around so I don’t see anyway around it. The GOA is even more hardline about 2A-rights so I don’t see middle of the road Elmer Fudd types supporting them.

I’ve looked heavily into alternative lobbying groups and come up dry. The NRA will have my support until something better comes along. I support local groups at the state level but I’m not as worried about my state as I am the nation.
 
Xorkoth said:
Biden has been a weak president, but the hysteria that has been spread throughout the political right about him being the worst president in American history is nonsense.

I wish with everything I am that I will not have to choose between Biden and Trump AGAIN. I do not want to vote for Biden. But to me it is blatantly obvious that Trump did far more damage to America, and I shudder to think of what he will do with another 4 years. Another 4 years of Biden will be business as usual.

Trump raised the national deficit tremendously, just as did Biden. Trump also actively pushed divisive rhetoric and emboldened many congresspeople to adopt his "lie until it's fact" approach, which is incredibly dangerous. This is his main harm, that and the incitement of violence/insurrection to keep himself in power, and his suggestion that we overturn the Consistitution so that he can stay in power. It's difficult for me to comprehend how anyone dosn't see that as an outrage, especially given the American right are,. by and large, far more likely to revere the constitution as something sacrosanct.
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Yeah. It’s hard to get excited about Biden either way, in either a love or hate way, just cuz he’s so bland and anodyne. Even if you accept the rights framing that he’s just some doddering old fool then what’s to hate? Then he’s just some demented old guy getting led around by handlers.

His political stances, when looked at in their entirety throughout his career in national politics, are right-leaning I would argue. Corporate deregulation, draconian measures re: the drug war & mass incarceration, hawkish on foreign policy etc. Without a doubt right-leaning when looked at within his party IMO. So all the shit about THE RADICAL SOCIALIST JOE BIDEN doesn’t really land with anybody who hadn’t already been completely lobotomized by modern political culture as filtered through the internet 🙄

That’s not to say that Biden is some kind of perfect candidate lol…faaaaaaar from it…I can’t stand him and I think his political record is terrible and I basically oppose everything he stands for. The only reason why he wouldn’t be considered right-of-center or just straight-up right-wing is when you put him up against some nut way out in the fringes like Trump, who’s eager to tell the independents all about his beautiful plans to skewer deep state bureaucrats on the White House lawn, herd all the homeless people into concentration camps and remind us all again who REALLY won the 2020 election 🙄

The right has really been in shambles lately. Trumps narcissistic egomaniacal personality and his pettiness have the potential to burn them all down if they don’t constantly kiss his orange butt and tell him that he’s the man 🙄 the more forward-looking people in the party saw how the party did in the 2018, 2020 and 2022 election cycles and think maybe it’s time to switch something up or groom some new talent, but how are you supposed to do that with Trump, a believer in autocratic leadership if ever there was one, as leader of the party? He’s not gonna let anyone come up and possibly be in a position to eventually challenge his leadership. That’s the dilemma the Republicans are currently facing imo
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I’m curious, what ‘needs’ to be done about the NRA? As a lobbying group it has fiscal corruption that irks me but it is also currently the only major 2A-lobbying group around so I don’t see anyway around it. The GOA is even more hardline about 2A-rights so I don’t see middle of the road Elmer Fudd types supporting them.

I’ve looked heavily into alternative lobbying groups and come up dry. The NRA will have my support until something better comes along. I support local groups at the state level but I’m not as worried about my state as I am the nation.
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Well in the interest of fairness, I think ALL political lobbying should be illegal. If we don't get the money out of politics, elected officials will always side with the big money donors instead of the citizens who elected their greedy asses. Both left and right.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
Well in the interest of fairness, I think ALL political lobbying should be illegal. If we don't get the money out of politics, elected officials will always side with the big money donors instead of the citizens who elected their greedy asses. Both left and right.
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See we can agree on something! ….but, if we get rid of lobbying wouldn’t that give and unfair advantage to rich people ?
 
Las Veghost grower said:
See we can agree on something! ….but, if we get rid of lobbying wouldn’t that give and unfair advantage to rich people ?
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I think lobbying currently already gives an unfair advantage to rich people. After all, they are the ones contributing millions to super PACs and can afford to bribe politicians. Think about all the evil Bigs. Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Banks, etc etc etc. These industries have a stranglehold on Washington due to their lobbying power, which is why nothing ever changes regardless of which party is supposedly in charge.

Getting rid of lobbying would level the playing field. It would force politicians to answer to the citizens who elected them rather than the megadonors they are currently beholden to.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
I think lobbying currently already gives an unfair advantage to rich people. After all, they are the ones contributing millions to super PACs and can afford to bribe politicians. Think about all the evil Bigs. Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Banks, etc etc etc. These industries have a stranglehold on Washington due to their lobbying power, which is why nothing ever changes regardless of which party is supposedly in charge.

Getting rid of lobbying would level the playing field. It would force politicians to answer to the citizens who elected them rather than the megadonors they are currently beholden to.
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Right but I mean as in the richer you are personally the better chance you have of winning ?
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Right but I mean as in the richer you are personally the better chance you have of winning ?
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Ah, I see what you're saying. I was speaking more in general terms of politicians already being in office and taking handouts.

In the context of candidates running for office, I do think personal wealth definitely has some advantages. But still, if all it took was money to win, Mike Bloomberg would have gotten the 2020 democratic nomination and would be president. After all, as a multi-billionaire, he was the richest candidate by far. But Biden had the support of large donors and corporations and ended up getting the blessing from the DNC. In that sense, while personal wealth helps, it was still big money donors who put Biden over the edge and got him the nomination. Over $14B was spent by both sides on the 2020 election, the most ever and more than double what was spent in 2016.

With a more level playing field, someone like Bernie could have had a better chance at getting the nomination especially since he relies 100% on grassroots donations and refuses to accept any corporate or super PAC money.
 
Yeah I can’t believe that Michael Bloomberg spent half a billion dollars for the privilege of winning American Samoa during the Democratic primary lol 😵‍💫 for 500 million dollars he probably could’ve totally ended homelessness in New York City for at least a few years but he squandered it on that insufferable vanity project…I used to get so irritated when his ridiculous ads would constantly play on TV. In my state of residence, that was literally the first time in my life that I’d seen an ad for a candidate running in a national primary election (and hopefully it’s the fucking LAST)
 
I try not to get indulged in politics. But I see the candidates. It could just be me, but the gov of Florida picked a fight with an empire and biggest money maker for the state?? (Disney) Now it will cost the state money. That is smart? Jobs and money gone. Such brain power, chase off the biggest money maker and job giving empire over dumb terms like don't say gay. Also the place he got married so his wife can cringe every time he pokes at Disney. Nice way to crap on your life. Luckly this is not really impressing GOP either though. It is just plain dumb. They should nickname him Dumbo if they are looking for a nick name.

Like I said I try and stay out of too much info, but it is clear this is not a good business decision, and would not want such idiocy being elected president. Although we see that does not matter anymore. But as a business decision, this will lose money and employment for the state and the reason is not worth it at all. This was in my face stupidity and had to comment.

Anywho, if I scratch my head on politics I do come here and see what you all are typing.....sometimes and only shortly!

I guess I wonder if anyone here at BL agrees with the Disney fight and if it is worth the revenue. Most people here probably have way better business sense.
 
JackARoe said:
I try not to get indulged in politics. But I see the candidates. It could just be me, but the gov of Florida picked a fight with an empire and biggest money maker for the state?? (Disney) Now it will cost the state money. That is smart? Jobs and money gone. Such brain power, chase off the biggest money maker and job giving empire over dumb terms like don't say gay. Also the place he got married so his wife can cringe every time he pokes at Disney. Nice way to crap on your life. Luckly this is not really impressing GOP either though. It is just plain dumb. They should nickname him Dumbo if they are looking for a nick name.

Like I said I try and stay out of too much info, but it is clear this is not a good business decision, and would not want such idiocy being elected president. Although we see that does not matter anymore. But as a business decision, this will lose money and employment for the state and the reason is not worth it at all. This was in my face stupidity and had to comment.

Anywho, if I scratch my head on politics I do come here and see what you all are typing.....sometimes and only shortly!

I guess I wonder if anyone here at BL agrees with the Disney fight and if it is worth the revenue. Most people here probably have way better business sense.
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In terms of financial feasibility and not politics, Disney is trying to "bluff"when they say they will move Disney World. Their financial "empire" has been bleeding for quite some time. They can't afford the cost to move it and the present park is losing money. They just announced that the brand new Star Wars Hotel that cost them Billions of dollars and just opened a year ago is closing in September. The new Indiana Jones movies got really poor acceptance at the Cannes Film Festival (World Premier). None of the Disney films are really making a profit. They are laying off thousands of employees.

They may be the biggest money maker for the state but Disney has been "calling the shots" with regards to their amount of contribution, why should ANY corporation have that kind of power. The state has the right to levy taxes, Disney does not have the right to determine how much they pay.
 
So, Disney is not the empire that they were, did not know that. So there are business reasons on the opposite end. I guess when you follow the money, it uncover things.

OK, then the dude shit on his wedding pictures ha ha

And come to think of it although you might’ve outlined that CK I’m not thinking DeSantis is smart enough to know any of this stuff. It seems like the fight is stupid, and I’m not seeing anything that has to do with business decisions with it.

CK got president!!
 
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Cream Gravy? said:
I feel like DeSantis will be the GOP pick for president; I hope that's the case. Or anyone that isn't Trump.
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i dunno, DeSatanis might be worse. amazing, i know... but the man is just as shitty and seems to be more resourceful and cunning than trump, and dare i say he might even be a tiny bit younger. he's also more conservative.
 
nepalnt21 said:
i dunno, DeSatanis might be worse. amazing, i know... but the man is just as shitty and seems to be more resourceful and cunning than trump, and dare i say he might even be a tiny bit younger. he's also more conservative.
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Maybe he’s just putting on a front to try and garner the GOP nomination. He didn’t used to be so extreme in many ways, but these are polarizing times that seem to almost force politicians to radicalize.

I’m not a fan of DeSantis, but I’d still vote for him over Trump and to be frank, I’d vote for either over Biden in ‘24.

But it looks like it will be a Trump vs Biden runoff, so I have to just grit my teeth and vote for the lesser of those two evils. At this moment I think that is Trump, which honestly shocks me to say. I’m sad to say Biden has proved to be just as (if not more) polarizing than Trump ever was, in his own ways. He’s just as much of an authoritarian and he always has been. He’s been behind so, so many oppressive laws and bills that passed in the 80s and 90s.
 
There is a republican senator in my area that has been for a long time. The amount of good works the dude does is almost saintly. When I asked him how is feeling about politics he basically said if he rocks the boat too much all his good works go by the wayside. But he hates a lot of the weakness of his party he stated. So I voted for him. Another dem from my area also does good works and keeps doing good works so I voted for him.

I think what I am realizing is I don't vote party. I vote personality, accomplishments and integrity. (OR perceived personality, accomplishments and integrity, I can hear DN laughing at me :)) Saying that I could never vote for someone that does not concede an election (or superbowl or world series, etc...) and would rather burn down the house for his whole gain. I am not sure the lesser of the two evils would do the same. Not seeing it to that degree. So I have to vote personality whether I am right or wrong.

But yeah thanks to Trump I came out of my hibernation from voting and actually voted the last few elections. I did not vote since 1984-2020. But I came out to vote, in this case, against a personality.

I usually like a person better than who that person votes for. A lot of it doesn't make sense, at least in my family.

One funny moment was when I was in my work office and I worked with a total Dem as well as a total Rep. So the dem was bragging about getting up early to get his vote in. The rep was on his way after work, so I said to the dem ok you got up early, but he is going to go out and simply cancel your vote as he votes the other side. (that pissed him off, I thought it was funny)
 
Desantis is unacceptable? Or the fact that he's announcing it on Twitter Spaces with Elon Musk on as well? Either way, still seems like the lesser of two evils to me. The first 4 years of Trump already had a profoundly transformative effect on our society, and it was in a bad way.
 
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