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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

2fma is my favorite functional stim. I agree with Buzz, it’s around 6 hours if you don’t redose. 20mg orally is good with very little, if any, side effects.
I bump it up to 30mg for more recreational effects
Snorting it adds a little euphoria but it becomes more ish this way and redosing is when the negative side effects kick in.

I like Kratom as a functional stim even more but with you being on subs I don’t think it’s wise to dabble with it since it’s an opioid. For me around 5g is like super caffeine with a little added euphoria. I don’t redose and try to not use for more than a few consecutive days. There’s very little risk of physical dependence with this way of dosing.

That's what pulled me into the deep end with opioids. I loved the calm energy they provided and my ability to be patient and enjoy creativity so much more. I used to compose music for literally hours on end. Unfortunately, I lost the ability to do that without opioids and then lost the ability to do it with opioids 😞 But since stabilising my usage, I've been able to start playing guitar and recording a bit of stuff again. I guess I should mistrust my urge to get stimulants because I suspect I'm hoping for that burst of pure motivation again. But, unlike opiates, I've never found the urge to redose for me than a few days with stims, they start to generate anxiety and that makes them somewhat self limiting.

I'm a bit nervous about any drug that causes bad side effects that only more of that drug can relieve. That's the nightmare imo. But anyway, I ordered the 2-FMA and some DMXE as well 😀
 
I've noticed over the years that drugs (especially opioids, benzos and alcohol) completely take away all of my motivation and creativity. I used to constantly be drawing, writing, composing music or something of the sort. Nowadays, if I'm using I barely have the desire to brush my teeth. It sucks, and it's something that I'm working really hard on correcting.
 
Just make sure you don't do like some of us do, and slowly dip back into the full-on drug-coaster (looking at myself). A functional stim and a bit of disso/psychedelic use is hardly anything bad, and can be quite good. I guess I just wanted to voice the warning. <3
And I sincerely appreciate that. ❤️

I must say, the voice of my conscience is whispering a little ghostly warning to me. I'm gonna listen to it and be ultra cautious but I will also be honest and admit that I've said that before. I dunno, things feel different these days. Again, that could be a delusion. I could say that I've got too much to lose nowadays but I've sure as fuck lost more in the past. But, I don't know, I've changed so much about my way of life- there is genuine discipline gained and pride in my physical accomplishments (lifting heavy things!) which have offered a level of self esteem I never realised I was lacking. Haven't smoked weed in 3 years- thats probably been one of the driving factors in getting my shit sorted. Can no longer tolerate any GABAergics without kindling horroble rebound anxiety. Also, taking prescribed testosterone 😀 . Of course, I could be being over confident about my "new" mentality, ime drug abuse is something you don't really forget how to do. But...meh, I dunno. I have a level of self belief now that I hope is not easily uprooted. But also not so strong that it deludes me. Or is currently deluding me. Food for thought.

Truth be told, I actually feel like something good is missing without drugs in my life. Despite all the horror, which I know most of us have gone through in our own way, I cannot really say I regret any of my psychedelic or dissociative experiences. I love the magical glow they cast over the usually mundane normality of a modern human life. But I hate the feeling of fakeness and the reliance on substances so I feel like I need to strike some sort of balance. Of course, the easiest path would be the one that trundles ahead with total sobriety but it also feels like some sort of fundamentalist mentality that I think is kinda bullshit. As a tool, drugs aren't either good or bad, but are nightmarish as a lifestyle. Must remember that always.

Can't tell if I have insight into my situation or if it is just the evil demon trying to justify itself. Seems the perfect dilemma to be examined under the lense of a psychoactive medicine 🤔
 
I've noticed over the years that drugs (especially opioids, benzos and alcohol) completely take away all of my motivation and creativity. I used to constantly be drawing, writing, composing music or something of the sort. Nowadays, if I'm using I barely have the desire to brush my teeth. It sucks, and it's something that I'm working really hard on correcting.
I hope and expect you will have some success with your attempts at correction. ❤️ GABAergic downers did a fucking number on me. It's not surprising that you describe their effects as being as demotivating as you say... I've actually conditioned myself to truly loathe them. But that only happened through absolute bleak horrible shit so I can't say I advise it.

I've somehow restored my own motivation and I attribute that largely to exercise. About 3 years ago, I decided I wanted to get as jacked as possible- a sort of base desire, but I just felt tired of being skinny and weak. I knew it would give me confidence, even though it's based on something kinda superficial but I just went for it and gained 23kgs. I am definitely addicted to it, I lift weights despite having injuries and feel kinda shitty if I don't workout. But its sustainable and mainly positive. I think that all drug addicts can benefit from redirecting their behavioural compulsions. Plus, if you've been a heavy opiate user, your T levels will be probably quite low and a good doctor will prescribe test which has numerous benefits beyond just the motherfucking gains bro 🤪😎

Okay, I'm done rambling I think 😀
 
Your gonna love the DMXE swilow.

That stuff is so good, like one of the best dissos ever 🙂
Yeah, I'm fucking excited for it. Sounds perfect to me. MXE was my fave followed by ketamine. I want something without rhe manic weirdness of the PCE/3-meo-xx stuff. Hopefully DMXE tickles that itch:)

Also getting a sample of 4-HO-DPT and 4-Aco-MET. Never had the former and assuming the latter is basically the same as the 4-HO-MET which I really loved...
 
I've somehow restored my own motivation and I attribute that largely to exercise. About 3 years ago, I decided I wanted to get as jacked as possible- a sort of base desire, but I just felt tired of being skinny and weak. I knew it would give me confidence, even though it's based on something kinda superficial but I just went for it and gained 23kgs. I am definitely addicted to it, I lift weights despite having injuries and feel kinda shitty if I don't workout. But its sustainable and mainly positive. I think that all drug addicts can benefit from redirecting their behavioural compulsions. Plus, if you've been a heavy opiate user, your T levels will be probably quite low and a good doctor will prescribe test which has numerous benefits beyond just the motherfucking gains bro 🤪😎
Bruh 23kgs... how jacked are you lol.

I was a skinny mf as well, started lifting, then quit for half a year last year and started back again late January. I'm in a great gym groove lately, good feel for diet, and I've got a lot of stuff figured out about programming and general approach/goals. My lifts are still ass, but my squat is relatively big. Are you on HRT, how much? The difference must be huge, I'm not going that route but it's interesting
 
I've been trying to get some friends into the gym for a while now, but the problem is that they see it as something they should be doing, because it's supposed to be good for them and has all these benefits, but you'll never keep it up like that. If it's like 6th on the priority list...

You need to learn to like/love it, I'm pretty sure that most regulars really love training. Highly recommended to at least give it a shot, especially if you're skinny. It takes a while to figure it all out, and get rid of the dumb bro splits and stuff, but then it can get extremely fun..
 
I've been microdosing exercise myself haha.
I just do some push-ups and ab crunches first thing in the morning and last thing before sleep. Been going for a year with almost no days off. Its a very small amount of exercise but I can already see significant results.
 
When im in prison/jail i work out obsessively, like two straight hours on weekdays and then sat/sun off. Like i would do hundreds of pull-ups and around 500 pushups in prisons that dont have a gym. Some of them have universal machines, like jails or certain prisons ive been too had free weights and i would use those. The last time i came home from prison i was 240lbs and jacked. Barely any fat on me.

My problem is tho as soon as i get out i pretty much immediately fall off exercising. Given i have a very physical job and im just tired when im not there. But it is absolutely true that when you work out alot you feel amazing, sleep way better and it just gives you alot of confidence. Used to mirror watch myself in the cell everyday, lol.
 
I've been microdosing exercise myself haha.
I just do some push-ups and ab crunches first thing in the morning and last thing before sleep. Been going for a year with almost no days off. Its a very small amount of exercise but I can already see significant results.
Get a pull up bar man, one you can hang over the door frame. They're very cheap, fun and it'll get you jacked
 
240 =D jeez, how tall are you?

Im 6"3 with shoes on roughly, i weigh the same amount now but its all fat. Tried to do pull ups a couple months ago and i did two it was so pathetic. Used to be able to do clips of 25 and then rest for 4-5mins and go again. In prison there was a big line of us so you do your set and then jump to the back and wait behind twenty people. Having everyone watching you helps you do better so you dont look like wussy man.
 
And I sincerely appreciate that. ❤️

I must say, the voice of my conscience is whispering a little ghostly warning to me. I'm gonna listen to it and be ultra cautious but I will also be honest and admit that I've said that before. I dunno, things feel different these days. Again, that could be a delusion. I could say that I've got too much to lose nowadays but I've sure as fuck lost more in the past. But, I don't know, I've changed so much about my way of life- there is genuine discipline gained and pride in my physical accomplishments (lifting heavy things!) which have offered a level of self esteem I never realised I was lacking. Haven't smoked weed in 3 years- thats probably been one of the driving factors in getting my shit sorted. Can no longer tolerate any GABAergics without kindling horroble rebound anxiety. Also, taking prescribed testosterone 😀 . Of course, I could be being over confident about my "new" mentality, ime drug abuse is something you don't really forget how to do. But...meh, I dunno. I have a level of self belief now that I hope is not easily uprooted. But also not so strong that it deludes me. Or is currently deluding me. Food for thought.

Truth be told, I actually feel like something good is missing without drugs in my life. Despite all the horror, which I know most of us have gone through in our own way, I cannot really say I regret any of my psychedelic or dissociative experiences. I love the magical glow they cast over the usually mundane normality of a modern human life. But I hate the feeling of fakeness and the reliance on substances so I feel like I need to strike some sort of balance. Of course, the easiest path would be the one that trundles ahead with total sobriety but it also feels like some sort of fundamentalist mentality that I think is kinda bullshit. As a tool, drugs aren't either good or bad, but are nightmarish as a lifestyle. Must remember that always.

Can't tell if I have insight into my situation or if it is just the evil demon trying to justify itself. Seems the perfect dilemma to be examined under the lense of a psychoactive medicine 🤔

I felt every word of your reply. I'll say this: psychedelics have never steered me wrong. Neither have dissociatives, except a little bit with 3-MeO-PCP, but even then, it was fine. Of course, some people go off the rails on dissos, but I can't recall that ever being the case with you (but if you have ever gone off the rails on dissos and I don't remember, then please be careful... dissociatives make some people crazy).

Stimulants are a bit more touch and go... as you allude to, they can lead to other drug use. Especially opiates and GABAergics, since those two are the best calming/soothing drugs. 2-FMA is pretty chill, I know I said somewhat negative things about it, but mostly that's because I'm really bad at self-control with stimulants and I tend to overuse them all, and when I overuse 2-FMA, it's not great.

Anyway... it can be a slippery slope, I think you know this. I suggest you make some rules, and if you find yourself breaking them, abort mission.

I'm jelly on the testosterone... I can't find a primary care doctor to save my life. My city has too many people moving here, apparently. great for my property value, awful for my general health. I've been looking for more than a year. One place finally had me fill out intake forms, and I told them on there that I was on suboxone, and they were like "we don't prescribe that, sorry". And I said, it's okay, I already have a prescriber, I'm just looking to lie, start going to a GP again. And the receptionist said "well, we don't take patients like you" and hung up. Guess I'm supposed to lie, that's the only logical place I can land on... either that, or the one place that had an opening happens to be puritanical and thinks someone on suboxone is going to contaminate their their patients.

I know I need it (testosterone)... couldn't be more obvious.
 
Bruh 23kgs... how jacked are you lol.

I was a skinny mf as well, started lifting, then quit for half a year last year and started back again late January. I'm in a great gym groove lately, good feel for diet, and I've got a lot of stuff figured out about programming and general approach/goals. My lifts are still ass, but my squat is relatively big. Are you on HRT, how much? The difference must be huge, I'm not going that route but it's interesting
Truth be told, I've been bulking the whole time so there is a bit of fat to deal with too. I weighed 70kg when I started, was skinny as fuck. I've just been eating as much as possible. Test has probably helped a bit, although it is a relatively low dose. I don't gain muscle easily tbh...I wouldn't do it unless I was low for my age which years of opiate use seemed to cause. I can sense a difference in my ability to recover after lifting, improvement in sex drive and decreased mood swings. But that could also just be from the actual time spent lifting weights and not being a fucking drug addict. 😀
 
Okay guys well i just got even better news!!!!

The other guy in Passaic actually just got back to me and im gonna be renting a room from him instead. He is way cooler than the other dude, really nice and the place is very clean. Didnt mention this before but the guy in JC was an anti-vaxxer and i had to lie to him saying id never been vaccinated before. He even made me and my girlfriend pull up our sleeves so he could do the magnet test on us.

Obviously that is complete bullshit and it didnt stick even though ive gotten 3 shots. He was going on and on about nano particles and the deep state, like so crazy. And he kept pressuring me to send him the money on cash app before i even saw a renters agreement. And ontop of that it would be two buses to get to work and take me 90mins each way probably.

Where this place will be one bus and half an hour. This is so good, my girlfriend has been upset all week about the prospect of me living in that other place. And like a dumb ads i sent him 350 dollars to secure the room so he would stop showing it, i know its gonna be an issue trying to get that back. But whatever, only downside about the new place is its only for 6 months but ill cross that bridge when i get to it.
 
Didnt mention this before but the guy in JC was an anti-vaxxer and i had to lie to him saying id never been vaccinated before. He even made me and my girlfriend pull up our sleeves so he could do the magnet test on us.

Wow, man. I've met those types. I mean if you want to choose not to get yourself vaccinated, then that's fine by me, but some people think some really crazy shit about it.

I'm really glad for you that you won't be living at that guy's place, I think you really dodged a bullet there. And I think you're definitely going to have problems getting that money back, but you should still try. Maybe you'll be surprised.
 
I just had the most unsettled night of sleep. It was bizarre. First, I fell asleep reading... never a good start. Woke up at 5am with the light on and laying partially propped up. Drank a glass of water and peed, and went back to bed with my eye mask on and white noise machine. Then I had a really vivid dream where I was in my parents' house growing up, and I was in my old bedroom, with my brother, sister, sister in law and brother in law. My brother threw up on the floor, and it started spreading, and I could smell it. It was all thick and viscous, and I noticed that there were large cracks in the floorboards, enough that I could see through them to the floor below, to where the puke was plopping onto everything below. Suddenly I was really nauseous, like to where throwing up is imminent. So I ran across the hall to the bathroom (in my dream of course) and made it to the toilet just barely in time, and threw up in it. But as I was throwing up, I could see floorboards inside the toilet drain hole, with cracks in them too, and my barf was dripping down to the floor below.

So then my brother in law was lecturing me and my brother that we had to clean it up. I was like dude yeah, I know, but he kept acting like we were trying to just leave it or something (he would be like that, too). So we went downstairs... but the puke was nowhere to be seen, nor was there anywhere that looked like the area that we saw through the floorboards. The dream then took on a sort of magical feeling, like OH MY GOD, how is this possible?? But the whole time, I was really uncomfortable, because I felt bits of puke stuck in my throat and nose and I could breathe fine, but couldn't clear my throat or blow my nose, like I couldn't make myself push any force through, like those muscles wouldn't work.

But then, I woke up suddenly to my bedroom door closing because she was up for work and had put my cat in my room and closed the door behind him (so he wouldn't fuck with her cat, who he bullies, when she left for work). Immediately I noticed that I had actually thrown up, on my pillow and sheets and shoulder. I actually did have bits of puke stuck in my throat and nose, except now I could cough and clear it. I was pretty distressed, like, what the actual fuck? It was like a wet dream, but with puke (decidedly far less pleasant, and wet dreams are not at all pleasant to wake up to, either). I took my pillowcase off, and wiped up everything else with it. I was really hoping to get a really good night's sleep last night because I stayed up all night on Saturday at a friend's birthday party and only slept 3 and a half hours once I got home, so no way was I going to stay up and wash everything right then, at the crack of dawn, with the sky not fully light. I went to the bathroom to wash myself off, and came back and used a different pillow and moved to the other half of the bed, and covered the spot up with my top sheet and used another blanket and went back to sleep.

Then, I was dreaming again, back in my old bedroom in my parents' house. This time there was a decidedly creepy, nightmarish vibe to things. It reminded me of when I was a kid, that whole back wing of the house used to feel haunted to me and my brother, and my friends. My ex-wife even said she felt that there was a world war 1 soldier haunting the place, who would watch her while she showered and had done bad things in life. I was always scared back there, especially in my room, it always felt like something was watching me through the bathroom door, and from my closet. Then one night in college when I spent the night there, I woke up to a woman in white, standing at the foot of me bed, radiating this feeling of peace and protection. When I came more awake and started to be like wait.... what? She turned and walked out into the hallway, and ever since then, the feeling has been gone.

Anyway, that was in the past in real life, but in this dream, the haunted feeling was back. And at the same time, I really had to poop, like trying to hold it in. Then I started hearing rumbling, and looked outside and there were jet black clouds gathering, and lightning (my white noise machine sound I use is a distant thunderstorm, so go figure). Then wind started blowing insanely hard, and blasting in through open windows. I started running all around and trying to close all of the windows, while I was getting hit with rain and wind through them. And also I kept feeling like I was getting skid marks from holding in the poop. The downstairs floor was filed with old people from my church I went to growing up, and some of them were scared and saying this was the worst storm they'd ever seen, while others were ho-humming and saying they couldn't see any storm and everybody needs to calm down. I checked my pants at some point and sure enough, there was a bit in there. So then I was both trying to close the windows in the house, and trying to hide the fact that I had shit my pants from the old people in my house.

Then I woke up, and really had to poo. And it was also time to get up. You may be thinking that I had my second unpleasant surprise... but fortunately, my pants were clean. 😅

What a strange night. Brains are so freakin' weird.

It's disturbing that I would be able to throw up in my sleep. It wasn't a huge amount, but it wasn't a small amount, either. I had a couple of beers yesterday evening but I wasn't drunk or anything. People can die from vomiting in their sleep...
 
Im 6"3 with shoes on roughly, i weigh the same amount now but its all fat. Tried to do pull ups a couple months ago and i did two it was so pathetic. Used to be able to do clips of 25 and then rest for 4-5mins and go again. In prison there was a big line of us so you do your set and then jump to the back and wait behind twenty people. Having everyone watching you helps you do better so you dont look like wussy man.
25 at 6'3" is very insane, props
 
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