Gun Pulled & Man Maced As Neo-Nazi Protestors Surround Family Drag Storytime Event

[sunday.bird]

why would we ?

To have an informed opinion?

Lots of people are insisting these shows are sexual, but nobody is explaining how/why they are sexual.

Maybe they are sexual. I don't know.

For me, a man wearing make-up and a dress reading an age appropriate book to kids isn't sexual... but - to be fair - I don't understand the purpose of these events and they absolutely shouldn't be pushing them in schools considering how divisive (for whatever reason) a topic it is. Parents should be able to make their own decisions. I don't think there should be any trans talk in schools either.

 

[arrall]

why would we ?

To see what you are actually arguing against…..

 

[mal3volent]

To see what you are actually arguing against…..

oh okay, so you have personally witnessed everything you have argued against? That's pretty flimsy logic.

 

[arrall]

oh okay, so you have personally witnessed everything you have argued against? That's pretty flimsy logic.

The “Drag shows are poisoning our children but I’ve never seen a drag show” argument is like claiming that gay people must all fuck dogs too because you have no fucking idea what a gay person is or does.

The videos are free and available online.
Take 5 minutes out of the hours you spend crusading against drag shows and actually see what you’ve been fighting against.
What’s the worst thing that happens?
Either you’re proven wrong and now have a more accurate viewpoint, or you’re proven right and know that you’ve really been arguing against what you’ve thought.

 

[mal3volent]

The “Drag shows are poisoning our children but I’ve never seen a drag show” argument is like claiming that gay people must all fuck dogs too because you have no fucking idea what a gay person is or does.

The videos are free and available online.
Take 5 minutes out of the hours you spend crusading against drag shows and actually see what you’ve been fighting against.
What’s the worst thing that happens?
Either you’re proven wrong and now have a more accurate viewpoint, or you’re proven right and know that you’ve really been arguing against what you’ve thought.

why are you being so emotional? I've seen plenty of images and videos of the events. Some are okay some aren't. Many have been shared here.

your posts continue to have an air of moral superiority. have whatever opinion you'd like, but keep in mind you aren't fighting for some righteous cause here. This isn't equivalent to womens suffrage, or civil rights in the 60s, or gay rights in the 90s/00s. All this righteous indignation is completely wasted on me.

the onus is on YOU to prove to us why drag queens, who until five minutes ago were considered adult performers in night clubs, should be welcomed into libraries to read stories to children. Nothing to do with trans people or any other minority group, unless you are conflating trans people with drag queens which would be pretty fucked up.

 

[sunday.bird]

The fact that nobody is willing to specify what exactly is sexual about a man with heavy makeup in a dress reading to kids reads to me as homophobic.

I suspect that the monkey dildo guy probably wasn't a groomer and that was probably a drug-induced decision that was a result of him existing in a toxic echo chamber full of hyper sexual people who embrace their pride so hard they completely lose sight of normality. Some gay guys become pride fundamentalists and it distorts their ability to make sensible decisions. Story time isn't as bad as pride parades, assuming they aren't dressed in a super sexual way (whatever that happens to mean) because people pull their dicks out and jerk them off in the street in pride parades. Should we ban all pride parades, even those without nudity?

This is - clearly - a niche thing that has way too much spotlight. It's a target for frustrations about other things. That's what it looks like to me, anyway.

A lot of you don't even have kids... and if you did, you could just chose not to take them to the library that day. It's not that inconvenient.

Politicized media used to influence what I care about.

This is a non-issue. It's a scarecrow.

Don't let them get into your head.

 

[mal3volent]

The fact that nobody is willing to specify what exactly is sexual about a man with heavy makeup in a dress reading to kids reads to me as homophobic.

right. the straights who argue against you are homophobes and the gay people who argue against you are... grifters I assume? Couldn't just be an honest difference of opinion.

^thats the poison of identity politics in action

 

[sunday.bird]

the straights who argue against you are homophobes and the gay people who argue against you are... grifters

I'm not saying anybody is a homophobe and - look - I definitely think there are tasteless ways to express pride... but, who am I to say that?

Who draws the lines?

You're saying Drag Storytime is too far... but why?

Aren't gay pride parades worse?

This thread is 24 pages long and your side of the argument is yet to attempt to explain what, specifically, is sexual about a man with a lot of makeup in a dress reading to kids.

I keep asking the question and you guys keep dodging it.

You can talk about grifters and identity politics for another 20 pages if you like or you can just answer the question.

I don't believe in the idea of banning men dressed in makeup wearing dresses from reading to kids, because that's discriminatory and it sets a dangerous precedent.

Some people think Marilyn Manson should be in jail.

How do you define your ban?

What exactly is not allowed to happen?

@mal3volent

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Some people consider it jarring to see men wearing these signifiers of femininity like women’s clothing etc. Especially so in the case of drag because it seems to magnify an ultra-femininity in presentation (as opposed to say a transwoman who just wants to go through like with that gender and doesn’t want a bunch of undue attention drawn to themselves.) It is “transgressive” I think it’s safe to say, although sometimes transgression is good…a lot of great works of art that are widely loved today were considered transgressive at the time…plus it has origins (afaik) in the gay club scene and counterculture, so I think that some people have that in mind when they see drag stuff mixed with young children, they find that disconcerting

Then there a bunch of bigots and religious nuts who want to forcibly lock all the gays back in the closet but I’m just trying to give a charitable interpretation to why some people would be opposed to drag queens reading books to kids dunno

 

[sunday.bird]

I understand why people have a problem with drag story time, but not to the extent of the outrage here.

I wouldn't take my daughter to a show, but I also wouldn't be scared if she happened to go to a show.

I don't think there is a real threat to kids - who probably have the internet anyway - assuming the performance isn't inappropriate.

I have to say the images of these events (even when they are appropriate) look fucking weird to me.

I don't understand why these events exist either, but fuck me if I'm going to get upset about them existing.

In the grand scheme of things, who gives a shit?

There's a billion weirdos out there.

 

[mal3volent]

It is “transgressive” I think it’s safe to say, although sometimes transgression is good…a lot of great works of art that are widely loved today were considered transgressive at the time…

which of these other transgressive works of art were performative and necessitated the presence of minors?

I keep asking the question and you guys keep dodging it.

my last lengthy post was pretty comprehensive, you didn't react or respond to it so maybe you missed it.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

It’s just a qualifying statement regarding the adjective “transgressive” and how it doesn’t only have negative connotations

 

[Burnt Offerings]

I understand why people have a problem with drag story time, but not to the extent of the outrage here.

I wouldn't take my daughter to a show, but I also wouldn't be scared if she happened to go to a show.

I don't think there is a real threat to kids - who probably have the internet anyway - assuming the performance isn't inappropriate.

I have to say the images of these events (even when they are appropriate) look fucking weird to me.

I don't understand why these events exist either, but fuck me if I'm going to get upset about them existing.

In the grand scheme of things, who gives a shit?

There's a billion weirdos out there.

I feel a similar way. I don’t get it either and honestly I find it really weird. But I feel the exact same way about rupauls shit, the fact that there are kids there has nothing to do with why I think it’s bizarre and off-putting

But like you said, I don’t really see any direct harm or danger to kids either, either in the short term, or long term (in the sense that drag story time or drag tea n crumpets or drag whatever-the-fuck is merely a Trojan horse ploy by some sick freaks with their master plan of shifting the Overton window regarding acceptable sexual behavior)

If some parents want to show how ultra tolerant and progressive and how much an ally they are by taking their kids to an event like this, I couldn’t care less

 

[xtcgrrrl]

I feel a similar way. I don’t get it either and honestly I find it really weird. But I feel the exact same way about rupauls shit, the fact that there are kids there has nothing to do with why I think it’s bizarre and off-putting

But like you said, I don’t really see any direct harm or danger to kids either, either in the short term, or long term (in the sense that drag story time or drag tea n crumpets or drag whatever-the-fuck is merely a Trojan horse ploy by some sick freaks with their master plan of shifting the Overton window regarding acceptable sexual behavior)

If some parents want to show how ultra tolerant and progressive and how much an ally they are by taking their kids to an event like this, I couldn’t care less

I wouldn’t mind taking my kids to a drag queen story hour, it’s just entertainment and frankly as parents anything you can do to occupy your child’s time safely so you can get a fucking break is ok with me. Yeah they dress weird and over the top, that’s just how drag queens look but frankly my kids have seen MUCH WORSE shit on the subway since they were toddlers. Think drug-addled bums peeing in the corner and shit…that’s just city life

That being said, I wouldn’t live in Brooklyn again if you paid me. I’m not a city person. However. My point is, it’s not harming anyone and maybe it’s just what the library had on offer that particular Saturday, I took my kids to ALL the library programs cuz they’re free and we were flat broke and museums can be expensive and tiring if you have 3 littles to keep track of.

 

[arrall]

right. the straights who argue against you are homophobes and the gay people who argue against you are... grifters I assume? Couldn't just be an honest difference of opinion.

^thats the poison of identity politics in action

You aren’t addressing any of our points, mal.
Why are you so stubborn and unwilling to watch these shows you are so sure are inappropriate for children?

 

[mal3volent]

You aren’t addressing any of our points, mal.
Why are you so stubborn and unwilling to watch these shows you are so sure are inappropriate for children?

dude, I just responded to you. And I also just pointed out a very lengthy post I made the other day that neither of you have addressed. Are you just trolling me now or what?

 

[mal3volent]

but why? Why are we taking drag queens out of night clubs and having them read to children? Why are so many people jumping over so many mental hurdles to justify it? They aren't trans, so it's not about trans rights or visibility. Average Trans Person Story Hour doesn't quite have the same ring to it does it... yes, actual transphobes would still be against that, but it would be a tiny minority and they'd easily be written off as bigots.

I think the explanation is pretty simple. Young people are constantly looking to be on the cutting edge of things, especially young progressives. They think, "conservatives, terfs, and all the other normies really hate this, so I have to be very supportive of it!!". If they don't adopt the most progressive view, they lose social credit. The next generation up (millennials, people our age) are still concerned with their social credit too and want to do all they can to appeal to gen z. So many of them join right in without fully thinking out the consequences.

So most of it can be written off as (mostly) harmless virtue signaling. But I do think some very bad people are latching on to all this under the guise of progressivism. And the longer we sane, rational people entertain these ridiculous ideas, the closer and closer we creep closer to normalizing a societal set of values that is very dangerous to children. Maybe nothing is very different for my niece but what about her children? What about after that?

If right now in 2023 everyone says yeah, you know what? Let the drag queens be around children. Puberty blockers are safe and reversible, let's allow 10 year olds to start making these serious medical decisions for themselves. That's a slippery slope. And it's not the same type of argument that was used by opponents of gay marriage.

Marriage is something that has many social and economic ramifications between consenting adults. That's very different than society suddenly making these seismic changes regarding a child's ability to make informed decisions on their own. Not to mention the psychological impact of being inundated with all these sexual-adjacent themes from the time they can hold cell phone.

What does being a "child" mean 100 years from now? Are they more safe, or less? Do they even exist, or has the idea that adults should band together to protect the innocence of kids vanished completely?

why are you being so emotional? I've seen plenty of images and videos of the events. Some are okay some aren't. Many have been shared here.

your posts continue to have an air of moral superiority. have whatever opinion you'd like, but keep in mind you aren't fighting for some righteous cause here. This isn't equivalent to womens suffrage, or civil rights in the 60s, or gay rights in the 90s/00s. All this righteous indignation is completely wasted on me.

the onus is on YOU to prove to us why drag queens, who until five minutes ago were considered adult performers in night clubs, should be welcomed into libraries to read stories to children. Nothing to do with trans people or any other minority group, unless you are conflating trans people with drag queens which would be pretty fucked up.

no responses to any of this but you call me stubborn?

 

[arrall]

@mal3volent Please answer these questions.

This thread is 24 pages long and your side of the argument is yet to attempt to explain what, specifically, is sexual about a man with a lot of makeup in a dress reading to kids.

I keep asking the question and you guys keep dodging it.

You can talk about grifters and identity politics for another 20 pages if you like or you can just answer the question.

Why are you so stubborn and unwilling to watch these shows you are so sure are inappropriate for children?

 

[mal3volent]

@mal3volent Please answer these questions.

this gaslighting might fly in the discord echo chamber , but ive made my position clear. I'm not jumping through any more hoops until you attempt to address what I've already said... if you can.

 

[arrall]

this gaslighting might fly in the discord echo chamber , but ive made my position clear. I'm not jumping through any more hoops until you attempt to address what I've already said... if you can.

We’ve been asking you the same questions for pages on end at this point.
I’ll answer your questions when I’m at a computer and have the time to give them a well thought out response.
I hope that you will extend the same courtesy towards bird and I.