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negrogesic said:
There are quite a few people that would extend this to homosexuality (ie., that homosexuality is a mental illness).
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No, there is a minority of shitty people who think that being gay is a mental illness, and most of them are probably conflicted closeted homosexuals.
Big difference in thinking, "I'm a dude who wants to fuck dudes because women are crazy", and "My penis should be chopped and surgically turned into a vagina so I can pretend to be a women and trick dudes into fucking me."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22005209/ <- some crazy stuff

Changing of the DSM created this industry.
But the craziest thing, is the cult that has enabled potential predators to have access to children and how society is basically grooming kids. That's the real mental illness that has swept across the world.
Be gay, be trans, just wait until kids become adults before you start propagandizing them.
 
Nurse Ratched said:
I wonder why when someone doesn't agree with us they always say " put the pipe down" or " keep drinking the kool aid ".

Can't normal , sane people have a different opinion without some yahoo thinking we are in Jim Jones' cult or that we smoke drugs.

Sheeesh !
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I prefer Kesey's Kool Aid, please. ☮️
 
negrogesic said:
There are quite a few people that would extend this to homosexuality (ie., that homosexuality is a mental illness).
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I’m not aware of any western country where homosexuality is legally considered a mental illness and even in most countries that still prosecute homosexuals it’s considered either sin or something immoral as is cheating or something and not illness. And even those, well can’t find appropriate word so I’ll say idiots, are aware to sin is human/natural/not illness and everyone with a more than few braincells in those comunites know it’s just exercising oppression and control and not that homosexuals are in reality bad or evil.

And really good you mentioned it, conversion therapies for homosexuals to hetero have a lot in common with converting girl/boys to boy/girls. Both have a lot extremes and distorted ideas and imposing their world-view on vulnerable.
 
Yeah you have to watch out for the Matt Walsh types. If he had it his way, after he gets done with the trans he'd move on to the gays, and eventually he'd start talking about maybe the races would be happier if we "kept to our own".

literally won't be happy until the United States is under Vatican rule
 
Burnt Offerings said:
no thanks lol
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Based. You have the forbidden knowledge of the Pandora's box of how heroin, crack/cooked coke base, and METH feel and why people love those drugs and become addicted to them.

As a teen and in my early 20s I foolishly dabbled with opiates. I am grateful I never used heroin or injected any or plugged any-that was not really in vogue then unless the person's nasal cartlidge had collapsed-morphine, codeine, Oxycodone, and hydrocodone just made me feel super itchy, nauseous or made me vomit, were more sedating/relaxing in more moderate doses, and were almost too strong when I smoked pot on them.

My friends who became heroin addicts told me how heroin was basically like any other opiate high only it is extremely addictive and even more sedating than morphine and codeine are.
 
mal3volent said:
Yeah you have to watch out for the Matt Walsh types. If he had it his way, after he gets done with the trans he'd move on to the gays, and eventually he'd start talking about maybe the races would be happier if we "kept to our own".

literally won't be happy until the United States is under Vatican rule
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Who is Matt Walsh? Is he a comedian? I did a search and that is what it told me.

Is he one of those sort of extreme Orthodox type Roman Catholics who want the Roman Catholic mass to be said in Latin, and all of the daily liturgy books to be printed in Latin? I guess now I know why my grandfather left the Roman Catholic chirch as an adult. He was not ex-comminicated but just stopped going to mass and when asked why said, 'The Roman Catholic church just wants as much money as it can get from you."
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
My friends who became heroin addicts told me how heroin was basically like any other opiate high only it is extremely addictive and even more sedating than morphine and codeine are.
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I wouldn't agree with that. Compared to morphine ime heroin isn’t really a lot more sedating, it’s just that node dose is achieved with lower doses.

Also opium, morphine, heroin, methadone, tramadol, bupe, rc opiods, fent are all with a distinct flavour.

I personally prefer opium and don’t find morphine lacking something compared to H as many people do but I think it comes to personal preference.

O, but I didn’t try them I.V. so that might be a big factor to my liking.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
I wouldn't agree with that. Compared to morphine ime heroin isn’t really a lot more sedating, it’s just that node dose is achieved with lower doses.

Also opium, morphine, heroin, methadone, tramadol, bupe, rc opiods, fent are all with a distinct flavour.

I personally prefer opium and don’t find morphine lacking something compared to H as many people do but I think it comes to personal preference.

O, but I didn’t try them I.V. so that might be a big factor to my liking.
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My opiate/polydrug addict friends have said how unless opiates are IV'ed how they were not interested in using them except for maintenance to get rid of withdrawal.
 
mal3volent said:
Yeah you have to watch out for the Matt Walsh types. If he had it his way, after he gets done with the trans he'd move on to the gays, and eventually he'd start talking about maybe the races would be happier if we "kept to our own".

literally won't be happy until the United States is under Vatican rule
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I don't think that's true. I've seen him in interviews where gays are brought up, and although he considers homosexuality immoral because of his religion, he says it should be permissible because there's long-standing scientific evidence for it being normal. I'm not a Matt Walsh fan whatsoever, btw... I just consume a wide range of content from multiple viewpoints.

The evangelicals in the U.S. are a big problem though. I also think the TRA movement is setting back the LGB movement, hugely. I fully consider myself to be part of LGB without the TQ+. They are separate movements now. After I had a trans man fully come at me in person at a gay club for saying that I can't have sex with someone who has a vagina, I said fuck this, you people have lost the plot. It's homophobic AF to attack me for my sexual orientation. I won't be erased. The radical left and radical right are both doing it.
 
mal3volent said:
Yeah you have to watch out for the Matt Walsh types. If he had it his way, after he gets done with the trans he'd move on to the gays, and eventually he'd start talking about maybe the races would be happier if we "kept to our own".

literally won't be happy until the United States is under Vatican rule
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I am not in favor of the US being under Vatican Rule at all since we have separation of church and state, however the Catholic Church's view on LGBT is changing, so that's a positive. Pope Francis wrote a letter to Father James Martin in Jan 2023 clarifying his position. In it he explains that homosexuality is not a crime nor sin of itself, only when someone has sex outside of marriage. The Church is undergoing a very large "Synod" which iis very likely to change Catholic "Law and Dogma". The parish I go to has a very large LGBT+ membership and has had so for quite some time.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis reaffirmed that homosexuality is not a crime, and that any sexual act outside of marriage is a sin, in a written response to a request for clarification about his remarks during a recent interview with the Associated Press.


In an interview with the agency televised and published in Spanish Jan. 25, the pope had said that "being homosexual is not a crime. It is not a crime." He defined as "unjust" laws that criminalize homosexuality or homosexual activity and urged church members, including bishops, to show "tenderness" as God does with each of his children.


In the interview the pope said, "We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are and for the strength that each of us fights for our dignity. Being homosexual is not a crime. It is not a crime."


Then, he voiced an objection to that statement, followed by how he would respond to that objection, saying, "'Yes, but it is a sin.' Fine, but first let us distinguish between a sin and a crime."


"It's also a sin to lack charity with one another," he added.


U.S. Jesuit Father James Martin, who is editor of Outreach.faith, which provides news and resources for LGBTQ Catholics, wrote to the pope asking him to clarify his statement, which some media outlets had reported as the pope saying being gay is a sin.


Father Martin published the pope's written reply in Spanish Jan. 27. The pope acknowledged, "In a televised interview, where we spoke with natural and conversational language, it is understandable that there would not be such precise definitions."


"It is not the first time that I speak of homosexuality and of homosexual persons. And I wanted to clarify that it is not a crime, in order to stress that criminalization is neither good nor just," the pope wrote.


"When I said it is a sin, I was simply referring to Catholic moral teaching, which says that every sexual act outside of marriage is a sin. Of course, one must also consider the circumstances, which may decrease or eliminate fault," he wrote.


"As you can see, I was repeating something in general. I should have said, 'It is a sin, as is any sexual act outside of marriage,'" he wrote. "This is to speak of 'the matter' of sin, but we know well that Catholic morality not only takes into consideration the matter, but also evaluates freedom and intention; and this, for every kind of sin."


"And I would tell whoever wants to criminalize homosexuality that they are wrong," the pope wrote.
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Foreigner said:
I don't think that's true. I've seen him in interviews where gays are brought up, and although he considers homosexuality immoral because of his religion, he says it should be permissible because there's long-standing scientific evidence for it being normal. I'm not a Matt Walsh fan whatsoever, btw... I just consume a wide range of content from multiple viewpoints.
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He thinks homosexuality should be "permissible"? How generous of him!

:LOL:

I do know that he's opposed to gay marriage, don't know what his position on homosexuality is beyond that, except didn't he blame the epidemic of pederasts within his own organization on homosexuals? I'd imagine he'd probably prefer that the sexual deviants remain safely tucked away in the closet and don't expose impressionable young minds to their degeneracy
 
Foreigner said:
I don't think that's true. I've seen him in interviews where gays are brought up, and although he considers homosexuality immoral because of his religion, he says it should be permissible because there's long-standing scientific evidence for it being normal. I'm not a Matt Walsh fan whatsoever, btw... I just consume a wide range of content from multiple viewpoints.

The evangelicals in the U.S. are a big problem though. I also think the TRA movement is setting back the LGB movement, hugely. I fully consider myself to be part of LGB without the TQ+. They are separate movements now. After I had a trans man fully come at me in person at a gay club for saying that I can't have sex with someone who has a vagina, I said fuck this, you people have lost the plot. It's homophobic AF to attack me for my sexual orientation. I won't be erased. The radical left and radical right are both doing it.
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Gay men have more in common with bisexual men in that they both want sexual and emotion connections with other men. I don't give a fuck if some random loon on Twitter, on this site, in an LGB pub or bar/dance club thinks I'm "transphobic" for not including the trans in my dating pool. Same if I don't want to date anyone aged 18-25, drag queens, men who are hyper-effeminate, actual men who have no facial or body hair or who eax/shave their entire body, women who are above 130lbs, IV drug users, tweakers, heroin/opiate addicts, or Poz HIV+ people or people living with AIDS of any sex, or severely mentally ill people of either sex who refuse to get help or take meds. That's my business.

I'm so tired of this trans craziness. Gender is a concept or theory that was created a few decades ago out of the blue and that has no correlation to biology or anything related to human physiology. In reality only SEX exists. It's clearly an agenda to destroy youth, and it is conversion therapy for LGB youth and adults to try to erase and destroy us. In the past 5-10 years clinics for trans surgery on minors, and severely mentally ill adults have been opening at an alarming rate. Mental issues among trans people are off the charts and they are poisoning our lives with their nonsense. It's tragic that White progressive gays are the ones who mostly support this shit. I know a few friends who say "FTM are rEEEEal MeeeN" and yes, they think they are gay/homosexual, but never bisexual even if they fuck a vagina, because they are attracted to "masculinity" on the outside. I guess by that denial they could fuck a female bodybuilder, or butch/androgynous woman and still be in denial about being bisexual, and pretend they're "gay"/homosexual.../s
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
I am not in favor of the US being under Vatican Rule at all since we have separation of church and state, however the Catholic Church's view on LGBT is changing, so that's a positive. Pope Francis wrote a letter to Father James Martin in Jan 2023 clarifying his position. In it he explains that homosexuality is not a crime nor sin of itself, only when someone has sex outside of marriage. The Church is undergoing a very large "Synod" which iis very likely to change Catholic "Law and Dogma". The parish I go to has a very large LGBT+ membership and has had so for quite some time.


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Yeah that is not going to really happen. The Roman Catholic church has done nothing about the paedophilia that has been going on for Centuries. The pope can claim whatever he wants but reality is completely different.

Most LGB/T people, and heterosexuals who were raised Roman Catholic leave the church or become non-practising Roman Catholics, or if they do attend mass they go maybe once or twice a year, do not go to confession, or just go to placate older family members who expect them to go.

Do you know why Roman Catholic clergy are forbidden to marry? It has nothing to do with being anti-womyn, misogyny, keeping wimin down and bowing to the Patriarchy. It is because for Centuries Roman Catholic clergy, popes, etc. would marry and have heirs and leave entire small or large kingdoms to their heirs. This is how the Papal state and Vatican city-state were created.

I am forever grateful every single day for the German, Central-Eastern European reformers such as Martin Luther, the Moravians, king Henry VIII of England, and others that significantly weakened the power of the Roman Catholic church.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Do you know why Roman Catholic clergy are forbidden to marry? It has nothing to do with being anti-womyn, misogyny, keeping wimin down and bowing to the Patriarchy. It is because for Centuries Roman Catholic clergy, popes, etc. would marry and have heirs and leave entire small or large kingdoms to their heirs. This is how the Papal state and Vatican city-state were created.
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No, it's because if one really fulfills their vocation as a priest they would have no time and energy for their wives and children. Rhetoric like what you quoted may give you a feeling of being on a higher moral ground, but is simply not true with regards to why they are not allowed to marry.
 
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