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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Re: Nashville trans shooter.

Spin let's see how we can generate sympathy for someone who kills 6 people so we can keep the focus on what we want the narrative to be. Let's ignore what we don't want people to talk about. She/he was mentally ill and chose to murder 6 people at a school she/he attended what over 10 years ago? They don't want to discuss who or why only what she used to do it. Let's ignore the implications of so many other aspects of this crime so we can keep the focus on pushing gun control. I have no sympathy for this woman/man. I do not care what she was on. People knew she was a danger and did nothing. Her parents knew she/he was a danger and did not do enough. In the end there is however only 1 person to blame.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Re: Nashville trans shooter.

Spin let's see how we can generate sympathy for someone who kills 6 people so we can keep the focus on what we want the narrative to be. Let's ignore what we don't want people to talk about. She/he was mentally ill and chose to murder 6 people at a school she/he attended what over 10 years ago? They don't want to discuss who or why only what she used to do it. Let's ignore the implications of so many other aspects of this crime so we can keep the focus on pushing gun control. I have no sympathy for this woman/man. I do not care what she was on. People knew she was a danger and did nothing. Her parents knew she/he was a danger and did not do enough. In the end there is however only 1 person to blame.
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It’s like they are quite literally using Maos playbook, it parallels the cultural revolution almost perfectly. No doubt they are using the rules for radicals playbook, which is also similar. Obama is a big fan of that book, still need to read it.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Let's ignore what we don't want people to talk about. She/he was mentally ill and chose to murder 6 people at a school she/he attended what over 10 years ago?
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contrary to what people here love to tell themselves, i read a wide spectrum of different news sources and that's, in very large part, all people are talking about. local news, left-leaning mainstream news, right-leaning mainstream news, centrist sources, etc.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
They don't want to discuss who or why only what she used to do it.
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i feel like there's some kind of weird reverse confirmation bias at play here. there are numerous channels talking about - and speculating about why she did it.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
People knew she was a danger and did nothing. Her parents knew she/he was a danger and did not do enough.
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right. and yet she was still able to obtain a gun. perhaps you'll agree with me that we should do something to prevent people like this being able to get guns, whatever that looks like?

alasdair
 
Dropperneck said:
It’s like they are quite literally using Maos playbook, it parallels the cultural revolution almost perfectly. No doubt they are using the rules for radicals playbook, which is also similar. Obama is a big fan of that book, still need to read it.
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You're seeing the narrative shift from the media. Making the school shooter her/him out to be the victim and anyone associated with the christian school to be the evil oppressors. The rhetoric from the left is encouraging this.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
You're seeing the narrative shift from the media. Making the school shooter her/him out to be the victim and anyone associated with the christian school to be the evil oppressors. The rhetoric from the left is encouraging this.
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Reminds me of the abortion narrative about how abortion clinics are going to get attacked and then it turns out that the Christian centers that give out supplies to single mothers are what get attacked
 
^ false dilemma. both happened.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
You're seeing the narrative shift from the media. Making the school shooter her/him out to be the victim and anyone associated with the christian school to be the evil oppressors. The rhetoric from the left is encouraging this.
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you're seeing only what you want to see to support your belief. it's very common and it's called confirmation bias.

cnn is the most evil mainstream media, correct?

here are a couple of cnn articles towards the top of google results from cnn for "tennessee shooter"
both talk a lot about victims. neither makes out hale to be the victim. neither comes close to implying that the school is an evil oppressor.

i think if you set aside your bias and try to look a little more objectively, you'll see you're just perpetuating stereotypes.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
^ false dilemma. both happened.



you're seeing only what you want to see to support your belief. it's very common and it's called confirmation bias.

cnn is the most evil mainstream media, correct?

here are a couple of cnn articles towards the top of google results from cnn for "tennessee shooter"
both talk a lot about victims. neither makes out hale to be the victim. neither comes close to implying that the school is an evil oppressor.

i think if you set aside your bias and try to look a little more objectively, you'll see you're just perpetuating stereotypes.

alasdair
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I think the bias that is most overwhelmingly clear is this:

after the guy went into the supermarket to kill black people, there was nationwide coverage for days on end about the resurgence of white supremacy in the United States.

whenever a mosque or synagogue is attacked, the news reflects on the growing trend of islamophobia/anti-semitism.

But since we've had a string of lgbt shooters, the same analysis and criticism hasn't been offered on a wide scale. Where's the discussion on the news about whether or not anti-white/anti-Christian/anti-cisgender is growing amongst trans youth? Why have I seen more examples of people speaking out about the recent laws passed in Tennessee or the same tired arguments about guns than the fact that Christian children were targeted and brutally murdered?
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
You're seeing the narrative shift from the media. Making the school shooter her/him out to be the victim and anyone associated with the christian school to be the evil oppressors. The rhetoric from the left is encouraging this.
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This is precisely what maos movement did, they needed a common enemy, in our case it’s Christian white people.
 
mal3volent said:
I think the bias that is most overwhelmingly clear is this:

after the guy went into the supermarket to kill black people, there was nationwide coverage for days on end about the resurgence of white supremacy in the United States.

whenever a mosque or synagogue is attacked, the news reflects on the growing trend of islamophobia/anti-semitism.

But since we've had a string of lgbt shooters, the same analysis and criticism hasn't been offered on a wide scale. Where's the discussion on the news about whether or not anti-white/anti-Christian/anti-cisgender is growing amongst trans youth? Why have I seen more examples of people speaking out about the recent laws passed in Tennessee or the same tired arguments about guns than the fact that Christian children were targeted and brutally murdered?
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They were literally mutilating children at Vanderbilt. I don’t think the Tennessee law was bad, it’s just any push back against the establishments little grooming op gets a all out full assault from the people behind all of this nonsense. If you don’t like our laws you have all the right in the world to move somewhere else.
 
i don't have answers mal. it's an absolute tragedy and it turns my stomach to see people here and politicians say they're happy kids are dead and we just have to learn to live with this because nothing can be done.

i know all these incidents have at least one thing in common so it's not surprising people want to try to do something and start there...

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
perhaps you'll agree with me that we should do something to prevent people like this being able to get guns, whatever that looks like?
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I'm with you here but how do you encourage people to seek out mental health treatment if there's a high chance that they'll lose rights in the process? Something I've been very unable to figure out a solution to. If we stigmatize mental health treatment i.e. no one seeing a psych can exercise certain rights, well then there's a good chance many people in need of help will not seek it out for fear of government retribution.

alasdairm said:
to see people here and politicians say they're happy kids are dead and we just have to learn to live with this because nothing can be done.
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I don't know that anyone is saying that. I'd be horrified if anyone said they're 'happy' children were murdered. I don't think we have to live with it either. But there has to be some deep societal ill that must be rooted out, because none of this started happening en mass until 1999, despite plenty of firearm access in the centuries prior.
 
I'm watching the leftovers podcast right now. Any other time there had been a mash shooting Ethan and Hassan would be all over it. But today it hasn't even come up. Maybe it will later but all they've mentioned so far is their guest Richard Wolff who they are having on to talk socialism.
 
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