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Burnt Offerings said:
I don't think anyone makes the claim that "Stonewall magically made everything totally fine for LGB people".

It IS frequently argued (and accurately IMO) that the Stonewall event was a significant turning point for the gay right's movement, away from the more conservative "homophile" movement which preceded it. May not have looked that way at the time but in hindsight that's definitely the case.
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Queer theorists and TRAs with their false revisionist history certainly love to think it was. I am not saying the demonstrations did nothing or were useless, but more that they changed things slowly over time.

It was evolutionary, and there were LGB protests and events before Stonewall but some were spontaneous, while others by the LGB Mattachine society were more tame.

The removal of being homosexual/gay, bisexual, and lesbian from the DSM had more of an effect as then we could not be arrested, imprisoned, or detained and put into a mental asylum given lobotomies, or ECT (Electro convulsion 'therapy') etc. As did LGB people coming out to family, friends, and co-workers.
 
CFC said:
I don't dispute that hon <3

But these days I find they just don't put out like they should, and they play hard to get and all "I'm str8" blah blah blah.

Plus they often insist on sharing their thoughts and stuff, and I'm like "if God had intended for you to think he would have given you a brain. Now stop your gibbering, show some nekkid flesh, and get back down the mines where you're supposed to be."
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I'd put out for you and mal. But only you two, other than that I'm straight as an arrow 😘

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Have you ever met any trans people in person in real life? I am not going by what teens or bored trans college students who have taken too many useless queer theory and gender studies classes spew as nonsense on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, tik-tok, etc.
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I have two trans friends. Both of them are just trying to be who they are, and were trans before this current fad. I do agree that it seems like it is a fad these days and I worry about the implications for a lot of young people who are just trying to fit in or be edgy. I heard someone of the younger generation say recently that 30% of their friends their age were trans. There is just no way that's actually the case.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
You are going to see a lot of teens, and adults suing transsexual/transgender clinics, surgeons, doctors, psychologists/psychiatrists who manipulated them into believing that genital mutilation, taking hormones, etc. would solve all of their mental health issues.
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I saw a psychiatrist saying exact same thing about transitioning, that it cure ALL of mental issues in trans people, sounds kinda like some believed lobotomy can cure just about any mental issue I guess.

In just few years number of kids transitioning in my country raised by, well idk how to say how much percent as it was 0 kids per year before not too long but it sure has sky-rocketed, consequences of which we’ll see in many years.
 
Xorkoth said:
I have two trans friends. Both of them are just trying to be who they are, and were trans before this current fad. I do agree that it seems like it is a fad these days and I worry about the implications for a lot of young people who are just trying to fit in or be edgy. I heard someone of the younger generation say recently that 30% of their friends their age were trans. There is just no way that's actually the case.
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The statistic for young Americans (18-late 20s) seems to be around 2-4% binary trans and another 3-5% non-binary.
Those numbers match up with what I’ve observed in Canada and Australia.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Yes indeed. There are going to be multiple generations of ex-trans/detransitioner adults who once they realise that they have ruined their bodies, health, life, future, etc. by transitioning and I feel very bad for them.



Also transsexualism/transgenderism is based on magical thinking, not actual biology, medicine, or science.
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That's one area where the truth is clear. I mean I don't give a single fuck about sports, personally, but for the athletes, it's their career/life's work/passion. There is a very good reason why we do mens' and womens' sports separately, and it's because men happen to have a substantial advantage, because that's just how it is, we're a significantly sexually dimorphic species, where men are stronger and larger. So it really isn't fair to women for there to suddenly be biological males who transitioned to female, suddenly competing against them. Even if they started taking hormones to lower testosterone and increase estrogen years ago, they still had the advantage of growing into an adult as a man, and gained the body structure of a man. And that's ignoring the surely inevitable incidence of men just claiming to have realized they're women just so they can be the world's best in a womens' sport. There's no way that won't or isn't happening to some degree.

But let's ignore that, I mean we could probably screen for that. Even legitimate transgender male to female athletes have a serious advantage over biological women. I agree that it sucks for those people, who want to be able to compete in the gender of the sport they feel they are, but it also sucks for every single one of the biological women who will now have very little chance of outperforming these new additions to their sport.

I have sympathy, but it's not fair to a much larger number of people if we allow it. It's not a value statement or judgment, it's just a fact, it's unfair.
 
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Pretty awful event. It’s sad that I’m glad this was perpetrated by one the establishments sacred cows, so now it can be insta memory holed. Well they will probably talk about it for the rest of the week locally. If it had be a white male we would have had at least a month of country wide coverage.
 
Dropperneck said:
Pretty awful event. It’s sad that I’m glad this was perpetrated by one the establishments sacred cows, so now it can be insta memory holed. Well they will probably talk about it for the rest of the week locally. If it had be a white male we would have had at least a month of country wide coverage.
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If it were a Muslim mosque, the media would scream Islamophobia. If it was a gay centric place they would should homophobic religious extremism, if it was a synagogue they would claim antisemitism. But attack a Christian church you will not hear it was antichristian.. you will hear.. take away their guns! It’s the guns fault not the fault of the transgender mental psycho, as most trans folx have a whole list of severe mental illnesses and are manipulated into taking harmful hormones, having irreversible genital mutilation er surgery, and that by doing all of this that all of their mental illnesses and problens will just magically go away.

Periodic reminder that the federal government is on record saying something akin to "We do virtually no monitoring of left wing organizations" when asked why they labeled white supremacy being the #1 threat in America in the wake of antifa and Burn Loot Murder riots. Or if you want to go back further, why USA leftist groups such as the black Panthers, weather underground, and others were allowed to go crazy or if members were imprisoned they were given a slap on the wrist.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
If it were a Muslim mosque, the media would scream Islamophobia. If it was a gay centric place they would should homophobic religious extremism, if it was a synagogue they would claim antisemitism. But attack a Christian church you will not hear it was antichristian.. you will hear.. take away their guns! It’s the guns fault not the fault of the transgender mental psycho, as most trans folx have a whole list of severe mental illnesses and are manipulated into taking harmful hormones, having irreversible genital mutilation er surgery, and that by doing all of this that all of their mental illnesses and problens will just magically go away.

Periodic reminder that the federal government is on record saying something akin to "We do virtually no monitoring of left wing organizations" when asked why they labeled white supremacy being the #1 threat in America in the wake of antifa and Burn Loot Murder riots. Or if you want to go back further, why USA leftist groups such as the black Panthers, weather underground, and others were allowed to go crazy or if members were imprisoned they were given a slap on the wrist.
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Most of these groups are little more than useful idiots for the feds to manipulate. The right wing ‘groups’ somehow glow even harder.
Black panthers had some legitimacy, but have long been subverted. Malcom X was so great, he’s another one that they killed, and I will never forgive them.
 
Dropperneck said:
Most of these groups are little more than useful idiots for the feds to manipulate. The right wing ‘groups’ somehow glow even harder.
Black panthers had some legitimacy, but have long been subverted. Malcom X was so great, he’s another one that they killed, and I will never forgive them.
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True.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
If it were a Muslim mosque, the media would scream Islamophobia.
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they might if the perpetrator was not a muslim, member of the mosque and had targeted the mosque.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
If it was a gay centric place they would should homophobic religious extremism
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they might if the perpetrator was not gay, a member of the "gay centric place" and had targeted the place.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
if it was a synagogue they would claim antisemitism.
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they might if the perpetrator was not jewish, a member of the mosque and had targeted the synagogue.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
But attack a Christian church
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it was not a christian church. it was a christian school and the perpetrator was a student at the school.

obviously facts are still emerging but the local police said they did not believe any of the victims had been specifically targeted. of course, you know more about this already than the people who are there :)

it's truly tragic that somebody here is happy this happened. happy that that kids are dead.

i was always told is was lefties who were monsters for using incidents like this for cheap, political point-scoring but we see, today, it happens regardless of position on the political spectrum.

we did thoughts and prayers last time this happened and this still happened...

alasdair
 
i'm not mocking anybody. i am observing that it has no effect on preventing these tragic incidents.

at least i'm not happy that kids are dead...

alasdair
 
There have been some disgusting posts by liberals ridiculing Christianity and getting in their opinions. It’s gonna happen, but this wasn’t an isolated case, this makes the fourth trans shooter. What actually needs to happen is we need to see what medications/therapies they were on and ask if this has something to do with it. Also recognize that the violent/dangerous rhetoric coming from the establishment press that may be fueling these shootings.
 
Dropperneck said:
There have been some disgusting posts by liberals ridiculing Christianity and getting in their opinions. It’s gonna happen, but this wasn’t an isolated case, this makes the fourth trans shooter. What actually needs to happen is we need to see what medications/therapies they were on and ask if this has something to do with it. Also recognize that the violent/dangerous rhetoric coming from the establishment press that may be fueling these shootings.
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All of this is true.
 
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