Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

[Droppersneck]

There are white Latinos, black Latinos, Native Indian Latinos, Chinese Latinos and all combination mixed Latinos. I can show you some blue-eyed blonde haired Argentinian Latinos.

In fact, Hispanic and Latino are ethnicities for people that were born or raised in Latin American countries with a large Spanish cultural influence. That's the definition from the US census.

Go to Spain. You see white people everywhere.

But to not differentiate b/t whites and Latinos when it’s convenient for your agenda, it’s just dishonest. Louis CK is Mexican lol

 

[ovenbakedskittles]

I think the main problem is trauma and isolation. If I’m not mistaken, A lot of the shooters are loners and can’t relate to anybody around them. The only solution, in my opinion is to heal the trauma. Any legislative solution is ultimately pointless. But if I had to offer one, I would say that more security is needed at schools and public places especially for suburban areas. But even that has its problems.

 

[December Flower]

I thought the “if you knew not even the cashier” part made it pretty clear it ment if there was a ban on guns, just yankin you dick alas

Good, I was already freaking out about not being clear enough.
I thought I was very clear, especially by typing "if you knew not even the cashier..."

How would you know the cashier is not allowed to have a gun? Well if nobody is allowed to have a gun...

no need for the snark. i’m just trying to fully understand your post.

communication is a two-way street and maybe, just maybe, you didn’t communicate your message as clearly as you thought…

alasdair

trust me, when I'm being snarky, my insults are really terrible. And my sarcasm is worse
you wouldn't realise that a) i'm snarky and b) you are being insulted

This was just me being helpful, and reading comprehension is a big issue with discussions in general
Did not want to step on your toes, but in conversation many people just wait for their chance to say something, instead of paying attention to the other. When communicating online via writing, a lot gets skipped. It's just natural in a fast-paced society as the one we live in. However I'm a big fan of "taking things slow". Do everything a little bit slower, put more thought into it, put more of your heart into it. That's my motto.

This is just what I wanted to say: Take your time reading, read carefully and don't skip.

 

[alasdairm]

How would you know the cashier is not allowed to have a gun? Well if nobody is allowed to have a gun...

it was not clear to me that you were laying out two hypotheticals. you wrote the bolded part as if it were reality.

i can cop to my 50% of the communication breakdown. can you?

maybe take your time writing. write carefully. and don't assume.

thanks.

alasdair

 

[Droppersneck]

The feds groom many of these shooters, one of the recent shooters spoke of a group of 19 others’ with similar plans. Gotta find that link. The one thing keeping their cbdcs, ‘hate speech’ laws, and other authoritarian measures, is you guessed it.. a well armed populace. So the establishment is going to run ops and keep grinding away at this ‘issue’. To me its fascinating to see that no one notices that like 100 people a year die by AR 15 which produces maximum kvetching, yet over 100k of our population die by fentanyl and they won’t even consider cracking down on the border. My theory is they like seeing the native pop culled, but that’s admittedly tin foil hat territory.

 

[alasdairm]

over 100k of our population die by fentanyl and they won’t even consider cracking down on the border

this is emotional boebert nonsense... you're not just mindlessly regurgitating maga talking points are you? of course not...

a few facts:

• in 2021, 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers were u.s. citizens (ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense).
• over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so u.s. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers
• 0.02 percent of the people arrested by usbp for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl

further, fentanyl seizures are up on the southern border which means either:

• more fentanyl is being smuggled and the rate of seizure is at or about the same (i.e .the biden administration is doing about as well as the previous administration)
• the same amount of fentanyl is being smuggled and the rate of seizure is higher (i.e .the biden administration is doing better than previous administration)

(sources: the cato institute; the us attorney's office)

"they won’t even consider cracking down on the border" is laughable, fear-mongering nonsense.

alasdair

 

[December Flower]

it was not clear to me that you were laying out two hypotheticals. you wrote the bolded part as if it were reality.

i can cop to my 50% of the communication breakdown. can you?

maybe take your time writing. write carefully. and don't assume.

thanks.

alasdair

jesus christ

 

[Droppersneck]

this is emotional boebert nonsense... you're not just mindlessly regurgitating maga talking points are you? of course not...

a few facts:

• in 2021, 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers were u.s. citizens (ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense).
• over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so u.s. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers
• 0.02 percent of the people arrested by usbp for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl

further, fentanyl seizures are up on the southern border which means either:

• more fentanyl is being smuggled and the rate of seizure is at or about the same (i.e .the biden administration is doing about as well as the previous administration)
• the same amount of fentanyl is being smuggled and the rate of seizure is higher (i.e .the biden administration is doing better than previous administration)

(sources: the cato institute; the us attorney's office)

"they won’t even consider cracking down on the border" is laughable, fear-mongering nonsense.

alasdair

The 90% of fentanyl coming through legal crossing ‘point’ is stuff for true believers. They have no way of knowing what’s coming over the porous border, and they seem to be doing every thing they can to allow as many illegals in as possible. The street dealers might be citizens, but they aren’t the ones trafficking in quantity. Over 100k younger people die a year from this stuff and it’s pretty much crickets, yet every propaganda outlet campaigns daily to take AR15s, and weapon responsible for less than 100 deaths. Cato institute lmao, all of these agencies have super convenient talking points bc they are totally and completely captured.

 

[alasdairm]

They have no way of knowing what’s coming over the porous border

over 100k of our population die by fentanyl and they won’t even consider cracking down on the border.

well, if there's no way of knowing, why are you parroting maga talking points about how much (more) fentanyl is coming in over the southern border?

so your position is "there's no way of knowing how much fentanyl is coming in across the southern border. but it's definitely more and it's biden's fault"

lolfail.

totally and completely captured? sure.

alasdair

 

[Droppersneck]

well, if there's no way of knowing, why are you parroting maga talking points about how much (more) fentanyl is coming in over the southern border?

so your position is "there's no way of knowing how much fentanyl is coming in across the southern border. but it's definitely more and it's biden's fault"

lolfail.

totally and completely captured? sure.

alasdair

I don’t care about the wing cuckery around it. It’s was bad under drunpf too, but at least he did all he could to fight the establishment and clamp down on the border. The cathedral/administrative state has its own agenda, and it involves going after our constitutional rights, not protecting the lives of our children.

 

[alasdairm]

at least he did all he could to fight the establishment

lol. keep 'em coming!

alasdair

 

[Droppersneck]

lol. keep 'em coming!

alasdair

Every institution, every agency, 90% of media/all state media, every corporation, etc was all vocally against him. Endless suing, kangaroo courts, psyops, baseless charges like Russiagate. It may not be picturesque, and he loves to suck off Israel, but he was by far the most anti establishment president in many many decades.

 

[alasdairm]

But how do you know it's so bad?

it's schrodinger's border don't you know?

there's no way of knowing but, at the same time, more fentanyl is pouring over the border than ever before. just don't open the box!

when people start parroting stuff about "the lives of the children!" they've basically become mtg. not a good look!

need to look at the issue less emotionally, they do.

alasdair

 

[foodcrisis]

i sometimes wonder if drugs or friends or both would stop a lot of these killing sprees from happening. i think a lot of robbery and stuff is probably gang related and even if drugs were legal because drugs aren't free, people would be robbing each other and looting stores.... supposedly most of these killing sprees, the people are probably loners and i have to wonder if they just want to shock and depress people or if they have some type of agenda that drugs aren't legal... like i've thought that maybe the country is so bad that i'm not free, i should fight back. it just seems really not me, and i hate to see people on the news doing fucked up stuff. with fentanyl and killing sprees and all this other shit, it's like the government wants to depress and confuse people, create chaos so we live in fear, which i partially do. i live in fear of violence or accidents that people may make with their cars and i live feeling like i'm not free to overdose on psychedelics if i want, like i might think i'm a ghost or that it's positive for me to be howling like a ghost. i could get locked up for that. people don't really want it, it doesn't fit the mold they are trying to turn children into...

like i'm lucky that weed is legal for me now. i'm so schizophrenic that i get visuals in my lighter flame all the time and other cool stuff. i wonder if i'm some kind of special chosen energy force chosen to live a decent life. i might not be as free as i want, which kind of puts me in a bad mood, but i'm amuzed and think it's funny that i'm actually getting the effect from weed that i do. it really never ceases to entertain me.

i think some day they will take all guns out of society. they will coach people to use drugs, probably in history classes of schools where they learn about the music of the 1900's and early 2000s. they will use drugs to realize their emotions. after a while this perfect society gets boring, so they start time again and let people recreate the 1900's, where everything is iimperfect and there is violence. they find that depression and fear helps people recognize their emotions better. it's some real fucked up shit. sorry to go on and on about this. but i'm pretty sure that's what happens. they keep restarting society in the 1900's and then let everybody think they invented everything again. a lot of the fear and depression of violence and the governments turns into art. i don't really like that, but i still deal with it and listen to a ton of political/depressing music that might not've been the same if people weren't free... i'd like to think that free people rock out the same naturally. i don't know though. at least the lyrics of anarchist punk wouldn't be the same. yelling for no reason is always fun too. i'd like to think people can be free and emotionally feeling with out a violent world to mess with them.

 

[Droppersneck]

L



But how do you know it's so bad?

RC's from China make it through mail all the time.

Because the Canadian border isn't looked that so hard. More drugs could come through it then the south.

The large quantities coming from china are well documented as part of cartel ops now. The pill presses in mass quantities are coming from the southern border, though they can come from the north as well.

My only point was that liberals/the establishment want to take our AR15s over the 100 or so people killed every year, essentially bc the TV says so constantly. But the 100k people dying at unprecedented levels from drugs flowing from the cartels isn’t considered a big deal, since it would mean slowing the entry of their new work force. They aren’t able to think in these terms though, largely bc it’s dis/mis/mal information, or what it always been known as ‘wrong think’.

 

[Droppersneck]

100 people being killed by guns. I don't think so.

In 2020, a little over 45,000 people died from gun violence. 43% or 19,000 people were murdered. The rest were suicide.

So if you really want to compare apples and oranges, let's do so.

19,000 people murdered with guns.

70,000 people decided to take a substance that they really weren't sure what it was and effectively killed themselves

Cry me a river.

That being said, I own an AR-15, I own a 9 mm Beretta PX4 storm, I own a shotgun. I'm saving up to get a rifle chambered in .338 Lapua caliber (yeah I know it's going to be somewhere between 7 and 15,000) I believe in constitutional carry.

I like laws like in Alabama where if you see somebody severely beating another person you can tell them to stop and if they don't you can shoot them legally and it is an affirmative defense from prosecution. The same as if you see somebody breaking into an occupied home. You can shoot them even if they're hanging out of the window. It's an affirmative defense.

Not a lot of property theft or random assault when I was living in Alabama.

I specifically said AR15s, over looked it? That’s the gun the establishment wants banned the most, and what they are pushing for. The massive amount of cartel drugs is a direct result of our porous borders. Though many captured agencies will claim this isn’t it, no one with a brain buys that imo

 

[Droppersneck]

In 2020, 455 murders were committed with rifles, and 5000 murders were committed with firearm not specified.

Way more than 100.

The vast majority of cartel drugs come in via 100% legitimate shipping. They have nothing to do with a porous border.

These are mainly tractor trailers, where the license plate of the tractor trailer is given to border patrol agents sitting in a border crossing booth who've been paid $50,000 a month to let one license plate a day go through.

It's not because of porous borders, it's because of drug prohibition creating narco billionaires that can pay people a half a million just to let one license plate go through a day or even a month.

Specifically with AR style rifles is around 100. This the gun the establishment is going after, that number at 400 still doesn’t justify banning them. They have no clue how many drugs come in through non entry points, if you believe everything the TV says there really is no hope.

 

[Droppersneck]

No hope what the fuck are you talking about?

Are you doing fentanyl?

Do you take drugs without testing them?

If you do you get what's coming to you. It's called survival of the fittest, smartest, best, educated, luckiest.


People that die from fentanyl. Honestly that's chlorine cleaning out the gene pool.

True believers gonna believe captured institutions, at the end of the day. Though I do sort of envy where you are at, there is no going back.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Some of y’all are just arguing to argue I feel like.


It is a fact, indisputable, that AR-15s and other semi-auto rifles account for a fraction of a fraction of all murders annually. It’s definitely a sinister plot when it comes to “assault” weapon bans.

Further, one could murder more people with a semi-auto handgun. The bullets are more lethal from a 9mm than a .223. More and more it does in fact look like these mass killings are being orchestrated in order to convince the masses to give up their last best hope of peace.

Heck the majority of these killer kids don’t even use proper bullets. It’s all just misdirection trying to turn our eyes away from the true rape and plunder of America while at the same time removing our ability to fight said pillaging.

 

[Droppersneck]

Some of y’all are just arguing to argue I feel like.


It is a fact, indisputable, that AR-15s and other semi-auto rifles account for a fraction of a fraction of all murders annually. It’s definitely a sinister plot when it comes to “assault” weapon bans.

Further, one could murder more people with a semi-auto handgun. The bullets are more lethal from a 9mm than a .223. More and more it does in fact look like these mass killings are being orchestrated in order to convince the masses to give up their last best hope of peace.

Heck the majority of these killer kids don’t even use proper bullets. It’s all just misdirection trying to turn our eyes away from the true rape and plunder of America while at the same time removing our ability to fight said pillaging.

Hell the over population of deer is a much bigger issue as far as premature death is concerned. I agree many of these events are orchestrated to a decent degree. They want semi auto rifles bc those specific weapons are like the most basic weapon required to resist close quarters in guerrilla warfare.
Some of these kids are kids that just lose it, and they all share one thing, ssris. But you will never see the establishment butt heads with the pharma lobby lol.