Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

[papercuts]

Mornings are ok, by evening it's not so great.

I want a huge big dose, more than I've ever had before, I want it to be daytime and summer, I want to care for my plants with the sun on my back, I don't want to be in pain and I don't want to be cold.

Ok universe, got that?

PS Thank you very much for the main deal, enjoying both sides of it very much but it needs something. I ran today from someone, it would have exhausted me to have a conversation with someone like that who sees a lot.

I'm just about holding it together, it's close to four weeks since I was taking 30g a day every day, now I'm sticking to 17g and haven't cheated at all. I feel the world coming into focus. I wish I hadn't signed one or two things recently while not really looking, just wanting to get back to my DOC, but on the whole there's been not much damage done and we have a great tv package lol.

Slight mishap today, living in a prohibited for cannabis part of the world I'm rarely seen smoking, was having a sneaky one and a guy who knows where I live walked around the corner right into me. Ah well, I don't like people knowing, but these things happen.

Bad chest pains tonight, is this where my body starts telling me I'm dying? That's it's usual response to wd, but this isn't even wd, just a taper until I can be stable on a lower dose. I'm half way through my pile of edibles, had three, think it's stronger than I expected so I'll ease off, maybe. Honestly, in all my years of loving cannabis in all it's forms I have never ever had too much edibles or smoke. I get a bit paranoid when I'm not stoned if I'm having a stoner month, year, decade, god I love the stuff. gotta go, love you guys, @Painful One, you've been forced into hell by the rules of the system, it's not right in any way, I hope you start feeling better soon.

I'm chosing to do this, so I know I'm a little crazy, but I'll keep my tolerance down at the least. At best I reach my goal to be legit by the summer. I want to go places more than one event, that is forcing me to do it, but then after summer I'll stick to weekends so as not to bloody well enslave myself again.

 

[Squeaky]

Mornings are ok, by evening it's not so great.

I want a huge big dose, more than I've ever had before, I want it to be daytime and summer, I want to care for my plants with the sun on my back, I don't want to be in pain and I don't want to be cold.

Ok universe, got that?

PS Thank you very much for the main deal, enjoying both sides of it very much but it needs something. I ran today from someone, it would have exhausted me to have a conversation with someone like that who sees a lot.

I'm just about holding it together, it's close to four weeks since I was taking 30g a day every day, now I'm sticking to 17g and haven't cheated at all. I feel the world coming into focus. I wish I hadn't signed one or two things recently while not really looking, just wanting to get back to my DOC, but on the whole there's been not much damage done and we have a great tv package lol.

Slight mishap today, living in a prohibited for cannabis part of the world I'm rarely seen smoking, was having a sneaky one and a guy who knows where I live walked around the corner right into me. Ah well, I don't like people knowing, but these things happen.

Bad chest pains tonight, is this where my body starts telling me I'm dying? That's it's usual response to wd, but this isn't even wd, just a taper until I can be stable on a lower dose. I'm half way through my pile of edibles, had three, think it's stronger than I expected so I'll ease off, maybe. Honestly, in all my years of loving cannabis in all it's forms I have never ever had too much edibles or smoke. I get a bit paranoid when I'm not stoned if I'm having a stoner month, year, decade, god I love the stuff. gotta go, love you guys, @Painful One, you've been forced into hell by the rules of the system, it's not right in any way, I hope you start feeling better soon.

I'm chosing to do this, so I know I'm a little crazy, but I'll keep my tolerance down at the least. At best I reach my goal to be legit by the summer. I want to go places more than one event, that is forcing me to do it, but then after summer I'll stick to weekends so as not to bloody well enslave myself again.

My experience: Cutting my dose by half gave me the same wd timeline as cold turkey from 1/2 my original dose. The sweating, aches and pains, insomnia, etc….. it was basically all the same when lowering my dose as it was when I quit. And it lasted for over a year.

The ONLY difference was that tapering meant I had some relief coming later in the day. It gave me something every day to be hopeful for. Quitting completely means there’s no hope in sight. And after 6 months of abstinence, I got scared thinking it would never end. It was terrifying to feel like my new life would be pain and wd’s forever. When I couldn’t sleep because my muscles ached and I was sweating through the sheets, after 6 months or a year, the fear and dread was enough to make me plan a suicide.

You’ll get there Papercuts. You dropped your dose by almost 50% and that’s A LOT. You will have wd symptoms for what feels like forever. And when you cut back to 10g, you’ll probably go through it all over. But you’re already seeing that the grass can be greener if you are strong. I’m finally getting my life back and it’s really great, but it’s hard.

Take it from someone who has been where you are now: don’t give into your cravings. I always hated myself when I took that one big dose (because I earned it, of course). It becomes a week of ‘treating’ myself until I run out. It’s unbelievable how easily I could undo every inch of months worth of progress because of a single evening. The feelings of dread that you described when you don’t have weed will be 100x worse when you realize how badly you screwed yourself by taking that “one big dose”

 

[Fungus_Am0nguz]

My experience: Cutting my dose by half gave me the same wd timeline as cold turkey from 1/2 my original dose. The sweating, aches and pains, insomnia, etc….. it was basically all the same when lowering my dose as it was when I quit. And it lasted for over a year.

The ONLY difference was that tapering meant I had some relief coming later in the day. It gave me something every day to be hopeful for. Quitting completely means there’s no hope in sight. And after 6 months of abstinence, I got scared thinking it would never end. It was terrifying to feel like my new life would be pain and wd’s forever. When I couldn’t sleep because my muscles ached and I was sweating through the sheets, after 6 months or a year, the fear and dread was enough to make me plan a suicide.

You’ll get there Papercuts. You dropped your dose by almost 50% and that’s A LOT. You will have wd symptoms for what feels like forever. And when you cut back to 10g, you’ll probably go through it all over. But you’re already seeing that the grass can be greener if you are strong. I’m finally getting my life back and it’s really great, but it’s hard.

Take it from someone who has been where you are now: don’t give into your cravings. I always hated myself when I took that one big dose (because I earned it, of course). It becomes a week of ‘treating’ myself until I run out. It’s unbelievable how easily I could undo every inch of months worth of progress because of a single evening. The feelings of dread that you described when you don’t have weed will be 100x worse when you realize how badly you screwed yourself by taking that “one big dose”

Holy crap Squeaky, i dont know what kind of taper were you doing but that sounds horrible, like getting the sweating, aches and pains, insomnia (the insomnia i kinda get) for almost a year? shiiiiiiiiiit. for your tapering were you always cutting your dose in half? and you did this every how often? two weeks? were you using other support meds to help (like benzos or seroquel or clonidine, etc). I recently did a tapering of methadone from 90mg, very slowly with my Dr's assistance and i didnt really felt wds while i was doing it, maybe a bit anxious some days but normal. She (my Dr) didnt let me know in how many mg i was, and every two weeks she took it down a bit, when i asked what was my current dose and she said 25mg i thought "man this is going to take another year to finally reach 0mg the way we are doing it" so at 20mg i said fuck it and jumped off (today is day 74 off of any opiates). I guess what im trying to say, or in your opinion, you think its better to jump cold turkey than doing the tapering you were doing? shit, a year of suffering that much WHILE on a taper dont make much sense to me (although every person is a different world). I know for me the clonidine helped and 35 days after i jumped from the methadone i did a flood dose of Iboga to finishing cleaning me up. (I should write about my Iboga journey experience since its

"It’s unbelievable how easily I could undo every inch of months worth of progress because of a single evening." I can relate to this sentence so much (i think most of us can), that thinking of "i have earned this big dose, things are going good" and take 350mg of 'done' and that feeling of regret afterwards, ugh.
Hope you are doing good my friend and also @papercuts and @Painful One keep pushing ahead, you guys are crushing it and WANT this change, dont look back not even to take a bit of impulse to move forward. Sending good vibes.

Funghi

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I think I have been tapering for damn near a decade now. But I eat everyday and sleep a couple hours every night.

In my opinion (all that it is) a slow prolonged taper is easiest on body and soul. Sounds like you were in significant worse w/d during your prolonged taper than I have. Which is suprising, knock on wood.

But I still have that last bit of immaturity saying to myself, once a month or so you have earned a 'snack night' we will call it. The idea (in my mind) being that everyone needs a bit of a way to unwind now and than or maybe kabloomy snappo. but I did start smoking weed to de-escalate my violence.... walaah zero assault charges. And walahh a 100 dollar a week 'habit'. And with the concentrates and whatnot out it is a bit of a habit.

nothing like benzos or methadone. not even blippin that radar.

 

[papercuts]

@Fungus_Am0nguz how much clonidine did you need before it helped? I've been taking 0.2mg a day, saving most of them for later when it gets harder, I'd read that 0.8mg has been used in supervised settings, for cold turkey I guess, I don't remember the details, just the numbers!

@Squeaky I love your encouragement, thank you. I'm very scared of going down another step, I know I fall flat if it gets too difficult. We both have got to zero on this thread and then decided not to stay there.
I feel like I'm hanging on by my fingernails. I can't reduce more atm.
Whatever I get down to in March, that is where I'm jumping from.
Jumping onto a safety net of buprenorphine, I'll need 2 or 3 months off pods and on bupe before I'll feel human again, Spring is a happy time, I can do it then. Then the challenge is to taper down bupe to my prescribed level before I run out of extras and I'm there.
Wherever there is.

I like the idea of a timed safe, but I'd cheat it unless my husband took control of it. He won't, says he's wise enough not to come between a woman and her opioids, lol.
Maybe I could get one for after I've done all this, so I can have weekend treats without too much stress. Maybe even try having a break from weed by locking it away Scary thought, only joking, not had any since 4am, guess who wasn't sleeping.

 

[Fungus_Am0nguz]

@Fungus_Am0nguz how much clonidine did you need before it helped? I've been taking 0.2mg a day, saving most of them for later when it gets harder, I'd read that 0.8mg has been used in supervised settings, for cold turkey I guess, I don't remember the details, just the numbers!

@Squeaky I love your encouragement, thank you. I'm very scared of going down another step, I know I fall flat if it gets too difficult. We both have got to zero on this thread and then decided not to stay there.
I feel like I'm hanging on by my fingernails. I can't reduce more atm.
Whatever I get down to in March, that is where I'm jumping from.
Jumping onto a safety net of buprenorphine, I'll need 2 or 3 months off pods and on bupe before I'll feel human again, Spring is a happy time, I can do it then. Then the challenge is to taper down bupe to my prescribed level before I run out of extras and I'm there.
Wherever there is.

I like the idea of a timed safe, but I'd cheat it unless my husband took control of it. He won't, says he's wise enough not to come between a woman and her opioids, lol.
Maybe I could get one for after I've done all this, so I can have weekend treats without too much stress. Maybe even try having a break from weed by locking it away Scary thought, only joking, not had any since 4am, guess who wasn't sleeping.

Hey 'Cuts, the clonidine at the beginning i used to take one .2 every 4 and half to 5 hours, sometimes at night i took .3 since i felt that it made me a lil tired, a tiny bit sleepy, i was getting 3 to 4 hours per night for weeks, mind you that to help with the wds and sleeping i was also taking benzos, i had lorazepam, bromazepan and clonazepam which for me was the best one because it is the longest acting benzo, they say about 10 to 12 hours which is stretching it and also it takes like an hour to kick in, so a long ass time compared to alprazolam, u know xannax, that kicks in faster, its the strongest of the benzos but the duration is very short, and pregrab, Lyrica, 300-400mg a day. Oh and the clonidine, you start taking em after you jump, not while tapering. They say, u shoulndt take it for more than 3 weeks (i took it for 30 days) and you have to taper from it, not cut it completely from one day to the next but the taper is like 3 days, so a very short one. Some people say that clonidine takes away 50% of the wds ive even heard 75% for me i guess it was like 20-25%, so yeah they helped me and i felt some relief but i knew that i still was going to dance, u know? I was going to have to suffer but i was ready, my mind was determined and also i prepared for this jump for months, quit my job, came to a Caribbean Island for this, had like 2 months of concentrating on this, because after the methadone was gone, it was the first to go, then came the benzos, then the lyrica pregrab, i even had an iboga ceremony to finish cleaning me for good, my friend is a provider and he did one with me for free and he even left me a bunch of it so i can microdose if im feeling a bit down but i havent used it in weeks. For the benzo and pregrab kick it was through supplements and vitamins that fellow bluelighters recommended, those ones i still use, like Vit C the pill ones, B Complex, Gabba supplement, Gingko Biloba and Vit D.....and then balls, lots of em lol. I still sleep kinda crappy but i get 5, 5.5 hours sometimes 6 at night, still get diarrhea sometimes (my whole and on going journey is in an active post i have the recovery forum) i accepted that i was going to suffer but i made it the easiest on myself with what i had, since i didnt want to go to no rehab (i lost count after the 15th one) and my mind was set, i prepared for this kick and some friends say jumping at 20mg of methadone is way to high, that i should have waited more, at least single digit number but i listened to my heart and mind and i was ready for whatever the wds wanted to throw at me, sometimes i taunted my wds ("is that all u got? Fuck outta here" just mind games with myself pumping me) besides i have friends that have jumped at over 100mg of methadone. So whatever the case, slow tapering or straight up cold turkey with anything and everything in between, the real rule is, you have to want this, like for real. Anyways sorry for the long ass post, i get in the zone you know? Haha, hope that i was able to provide some info with all this blabbering, take care @papercuts

 

[Fungus_Am0nguz]

I think I have been tapering for damn near a decade now. But I eat everyday and sleep a couple hours every night.

In my opinion (all that it is) a slow prolonged taper is easiest on body and soul. Sounds like you were in significant worse w/d during your prolonged taper than I have. Which is suprising, knock on wood.

But I still have that last bit of immaturity saying to myself, once a month or so you have earned a 'snack night' we will call it. The idea (in my mind) being that everyone needs a bit of a way to unwind now and than or maybe kabloomy snappo. but I did start smoking weed to de-escalate my violence.... walaah zero assault charges. And walahh a 100 dollar a week 'habit'. And with the concentrates and whatnot out it is a bit of a habit.

nothing like benzos or methadone. not even blippin that radar.

Tapering for a decade? Lol , i did a taper like that once, i went from shooting 30 times a day speedballs to just shooting 6 or 7 times just dope....is that considered a taper? im jk
Take care.

 

[Squeaky]

Holy crap Squeaky, i dont know what kind of taper were you doing but that sounds horrible, like getting the sweating, aches and pains, insomnia (the insomnia i kinda get) for almost a year? shiiiiiiiiiit. for your tapering were you always cutting your dose in half? and you did this every how often? two weeks? were you using other support meds to help (like benzos or seroquel or clonidine, etc). I recently did a tapering of methadone from 90mg, very slowly with my Dr's assistance and i didnt really felt wds while i was doing it, maybe a bit anxious some days but normal. She (my Dr) didnt let me know in how many mg i was, and every two weeks she took it down a bit, when i asked what was my current dose and she said 25mg i thought "man this is going to take another year to finally reach 0mg the way we are doing it" so at 20mg i said fuck it and jumped off (today is day 74 off of any opiates). I guess what im trying to say, or in your opinion, you think its better to jump cold turkey than doing the tapering you were doing? shit, a year of suffering that much WHILE on a taper dont make much sense to me (although every person is a different world). I know for me the clonidine helped and 35 days after i jumped from the methadone i did a flood dose of Iboga to finishing cleaning me up. (I should write about my Iboga journey experience since its

"It’s unbelievable how easily I could undo every inch of months worth of progress because of a single evening." I can relate to this sentence so much (i think most of us can), that thinking of "i have earned this big dose, things are going good" and take 350mg of 'done' and that feeling of regret afterwards, ugh.
Hope you are doing good my friend and also @papercuts and @Painful One keep pushing ahead, you guys are crushing it and WANT this change, dont look back not even to take a bit of impulse to move forward. Sending good vibes.

Funghi

I was only ever tapering because I had used way too much and I was going to run out. So I tapered every month for the last 3 weeks or so. Cutting my dose by 50% always sucked, even in the first year. But 5 years into my journey with opiates…. It always hurt the same but the duration got longer every time.

At some point the decision must be made: Either it’s a life sentence of pain meds, or get started quitting. “Going back” means “Giving up”. I gave up at least a hundred times. I have no willpower of course, so ‘not going back’ meant cutting myself off at the source. The only things I tried to get through it were loperamide, Kratom, and THC gummies. Benzos for sleep, but ONLY for a few days at the beginning.

Opiates rewire your whole nervous system. Years of use = years of repair. I wish I had known that before I got addicted.

 

[Squeaky]

@Fungus_Am0nguz how much clonidine did you need before it helped? I've been taking 0.2mg a day, saving most of them for later when it gets harder, I'd read that 0.8mg has been used in supervised settings, for cold turkey I guess, I don't remember the details, just the numbers!

@Squeaky I love your encouragement, thank you. I'm very scared of going down another step, I know I fall flat if it gets too difficult. We both have got to zero on this thread and then decided not to stay there.
I feel like I'm hanging on by my fingernails. I can't reduce more atm.
Whatever I get down to in March, that is where I'm jumping from.
Jumping onto a safety net of buprenorphine, I'll need 2 or 3 months off pods and on bupe before I'll feel human again, Spring is a happy time, I can do it then. Then the challenge is to taper down bupe to my prescribed level before I run out of extras and I'm there.
Wherever there is.

I like the idea of a timed safe, but I'd cheat it unless my husband took control of it. He won't, says he's wise enough not to come between a woman and her opioids, lol.
Maybe I could get one for after I've done all this, so I can have weekend treats without too much stress. Maybe even try having a break from weed by locking it away Scary thought, only joking, not had any since 4am, guess who wasn't sleeping.

Timed safes only work if there’s serious consequences to breaking it open. It would have been a waste of money because I have lots of tools in my garage, and I would have been the only person who knew about it.

 

[Squeaky]

the real rule is, you have to want this, like for real.

That’s the most important part, and the one thing nobody ever points out. If the goal is to go back to enjoying your DOC, you WILL fail. And you have to be honest with yourself. It’s like getting out of a toxic relationship: until you’re actually done with the little fantasies, remembering the good times, you will never be free.

 

[papercuts]

Black Seed Oil, suprisingly good at making you forget what you were craving along with how to spell.
This just took minutes to type, what th heck is in this stuff?

 

[papercuts]

Am I glad I'm not depending on their buprenorphine to keep me out of wd!!
Got back from the pharmacy this morning and I should have checked there, but they told me they were missing some pills, call back, so I didn't check to see if the other items were there.
No Buprenorphine!!!!!!
So if I were a good patient I'd be up shit creek without a paddle right now. Luckily I'm anything but a good patient and I'm fine, but shit.

I phoned the pharmacy and they said they didn't have any buprenorphine left so they sent the script back to the doctor on Friday. Didn't think to tell me at any stage.
I phoned my doctor's receptionist and she will have their own pharmacist phone me later to suggest what I ought to do.

 

[Squeaky]

Am I glad I'm not depending on their buprenorphine to keep me out of wd!!
Got back from the pharmacy this morning and I should have checked there, but they told me they were missing some pills, call back, so I didn't check to see if the other items were there.
No Buprenorphine!!!!!!
So if I were a good patient I'd be up shit creek without a paddle right now. Luckily I'm anything but a good patient and I'm fine, but shit.

I phoned the pharmacy and they said they didn't have any buprenorphine left so they sent the script back to the doctor on Friday. Didn't think to tell me at any stage.
I phoned my doctor's receptionist and she will have their own pharmacist phone me later to suggest what I ought to do.
I think by then I'll feel awful and be in need of some fast acting pills, not codeine, fuck that, it doesn't work anyway, don't like tramadol either, I'll leave it to him to suggest. Last time we spoke he offered me fentanyl, but I don't want that either. A fussy junkie, haha, am I unique?

Yeah, they say the rules are to keep addicts honest. But it really only makes legit patients have to become criminals in order to get their medications.

The real criminals are still doing their business.

 

[Amylouxo]

I’m trying kratom for the first time tomorrow. I currently take 120mg codeine, 30mg dhc and 10-20mg morphine 3-4 times a day. Also 200mg pregabalin twice a day and 200mg sertraline at night.

I have the kratom to help me taper off opiates, I was hoping to half my opiate doses tomorrow and take a small amount of kratom twice a day. But I’ve been reading online and apparently you can’t mix kratom with any opiates as it’s dangerous. So now I’m a bit anxious that I’m going to have to quit completely tomorrow instead of tapering.

This brings me to my biggest worry, whether it’s safe to take kratom with pregabalin and sertraline, I get so ill when I don’t take them, severe nausea, depression, brain zaps, headaches it’s awful. I’m prescribed the pregabalin for fibromyalgia and have been on sertraline for 13 years for depression.

So I’m just wondering if anyone here has used kratom whilst reducing your opiate use? And if you’ve taken it with pregabalin or sertraline or is that a big no no?

Just don’t want to die, I want to get off opiates but I love morphine so much it’s going to be really difficult, the cost of this is no longer sustainable and I find myself in withdrawal atleast 5 days out of the month.

Sorry for the long post, really greatful for any advice!

 

[Squeaky]

I’m trying kratom for the first time tomorrow. I currently take 120mg codeine, 30mg dhc and 10-20mg morphine 3-4 times a day. Also 200mg pregabalin twice a day and 200mg sertraline at night.

I have the kratom to help me taper off opiates, I was hoping to half my opiate doses tomorrow and take a small amount of kratom twice a day. But I’ve been reading online and apparently you can’t mix kratom with any opiates as it’s dangerous. So now I’m a bit anxious that I’m going to have to quit completely tomorrow instead of tapering.

This brings me to my biggest worry, whether it’s safe to take kratom with pregabalin and sertraline, I get so ill when I don’t take them, severe nausea, depression, brain zaps, headaches it’s awful. I’m prescribed the pregabalin for fibromyalgia and have been on sertraline for 13 years for depression.

So I’m just wondering if anyone here has used kratom whilst reducing your opiate use? And if you’ve taken it with pregabalin or sertraline or is that a big no no?

Just don’t want to die, I want to get off opiates but I love morphine so much it’s going to be really difficult, the cost of this is no longer sustainable and I find myself in withdrawal atleast 5 days out of the month.

Sorry for the long post, really greatful for any advice!

I have done it 100 times. Basically, Kratom attaches to the same receptors as prescription opiates. BUT…. Kratom always gets there first and blocks other opiates from attaching to those receptors. You’re going to suffer (only from stopping the other opiates), but you won’t overdose.

If you’re looking for a painless way to get off the other drugs…. you’re in for a rough time. Kratom helps, but you will go through some wd’s. I wouldn’t tackle more than one drug to quit at a time.

Pregablin wd’s are worse for me than opiates, but you should be able to taper pretty easily. Cut your dose by half every week. So, starting at 200mg, switch to 100mg the first week. Then 50, then 25, then 12.5, then jump to zero. And combining Kratom with Pregablin hits me like drinking 15 cups of coffee. My hands shake all day long. Best to not start Kratom until you’re done with the Pregablin, but it won’t kill you if you do them both together.

Kratom has a built-in safety valve. Take too much and you’ll puke once and be fine. Don’t go for the extracts or you can overdose. Get the powdered pure Kratom (I always use Red Maeng Da). One teaspoon of the powder (with an actual measuring spoon) every 4 hours. Best to start Kratom 2 days before quitting the morphine and codeine. Probably best to taper off those for a week while using the Kratom. Kratom will quickly render your other opiates basically worthless.

Remember: opiates hit soooo many different parts of your body. That’s why you’re constipated, sleep well, have patience, etc. Kratom hits MOST of those same places, but not all of them. You will not be happy for a long time. The goal w Kratom is to make it suck less, not to stop all of the general ’suck’ that wd’s bring. You’ll still have some insomnia, sweating, etc. Opiate wd will make you want to die. Adding Kratom will leave you only wanting to kill the Dr who prescribed you the other stuff.

 

[papercuts]

I’m trying kratom for the first time tomorrow. I currently take 120mg codeine, 30mg dhc and 10-20mg morphine 3-4 times a day. Also 200mg pregabalin twice a day and 200mg sertraline at night.

I have the kratom to help me taper off opiates, I was hoping to half my opiate doses tomorrow and take a small amount of kratom twice a day. But I’ve been reading online and apparently you can’t mix kratom with any opiates as it’s dangerous. So now I’m a bit anxious that I’m going to have to quit completely tomorrow instead of tapering.

This brings me to my biggest worry, whether it’s safe to take kratom with pregabalin and sertraline, I get so ill when I don’t take them, severe nausea, depression, brain zaps, headaches it’s awful. I’m prescribed the pregabalin for fibromyalgia and have been on sertraline for 13 years for depression.

So I’m just wondering if anyone here has used kratom whilst reducing your opiate use? And if you’ve taken it with pregabalin or sertraline or is that a big no no?

Just don’t want to die, I want to get off opiates but I love morphine so much it’s going to be really difficult, the cost of this is no longer sustainable and I find myself in withdrawal atleast 5 days out of the month.

Sorry for the long post, really greatful for any advice!

I don't think it's dangerous to mix kratom and opiates other than the combined total might be more than you're used to. The only interaction I know of between them is that kratom raises your tolerance for other opiates.

Last year I quit opiates except buprenorphine and added in kratom. It reduces your cravings because it acts like an opiate itself, so you can get hooked on kratom instead and when I quit kratom I was more ill than quitting opiates, except I never actually went completely without opiates, so not a fair comparison.

I used to take sertraline, then fluoxetine, now duloxetine, Mostly I have taken each of them with gabapentin, kratom and opiates without a problem (gabapentin is very similar to pregablin). Then other times adding kratom makes me sick and headachy, I thought I'd seratonin syndrome due to kratom on top once, still don't know but it was awful whatever it was.
I still have two jars of kratom that I've not touched in a year, there wasn't much of a high and your morphine won't work as well if you mix them.

Give it a go, for some people it's a miracle, just wasn't for me.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Tapering for a decade? Lol , i did a taper like that once, i went from shooting 30 times a day speedballs to just shooting 6 or 7 times just dope....is that considered a taper? im jk
Take care.

Comin down from hypothetical triple digit daily C-LAM habit. Down to 3.5 mg Clonazepam as of now. I have a thread somewhere that is worth some note imo, but just a journal basically.

and yes any tolerance decrease by less use is a taper by default? That is half question

 

[Squeaky]

I’ve been only using Percocet for 3 days each month (no other opiates), and Kratom for the other 27 days. I’m still seeing progress in the way my brain functions, my aches and pains, and my wd’s. I couldn’t believe it if I wasn’t living it but I’m getting close to 2 years since I was using oxy daily and I still see progress.

If I could go back and do it all over, I think I would have said ‘no’ to the good stuff. This has been a long hard road, and I’m not even close to being done.

 

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I'm a little better, this has been intense. I didn't mean to go into withdrawal, it was accidental. I had been hitting 30g a day again of pods after cutting it to 18ish then failing again.
So I had 12g for two days in a row and by the second evening my food was in reverse. That night I was in hell, completely, same as I said last time, I'm NEVER doing this again. If I don't succeed this time I'll consider going on maintenance or just stay on pods, but I don't want to, it bothers me to be breaking the law outside my home, which shows something of my mom rubbed off on me while my dad was teaching me to hotwire cars and double declutch before handbrake turns, lol.
I'm fine using if I stay at home, so I'll change that.
I'm getting my car sorted out, get some insurance and start driving again. My husband doesn't like me driving his car because I always kerb his alloys and he says I miss things by millimetres, but the point I make is I always miss them, so I'm accurate to millimetres, wow, I'm amazing, I should drive!

I'm no martyr, I'm suffering badly but I've got 30mg buprenorphine stuck around my arms and boobs, transdermal patches, they work best on the boob, lol. I'm putting on more over time as I get the morphine out of me, I've about 400mg in total, so I can taper down the patches later. 60mg codeine every few hours is incredibly helpful and I still had a little bit of pod tea, only 3 or 4 grams. Got bad RLS as usual, gabapentin for that.

I'm taking a lot of clonidine as well, great stuff for all those feelings of things walking inside your legs, under your skin and so hot and cold you can't decide which one, but it's far too hot or far too cold, both together, I fared better in a hot bath with that, I was sobbing by then wanting it to stop but I couldn't remember what I ought to do.

 

[Squeaky]

Yeah, the first week is hell. Even if it’s only a steep taper. Minutes feel like hours and the peacefulness of nighttime is murder.

Have you considered loperamide? It’s not breaking any laws and you can buy it at any drugstore.