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Elon Musk officially buys Twitter, DONE DEAL !

I suppose I could be reading it wrong but it seems like with trump no longer president his flame is dying out and there is a need for a new villain to generate those clicks since trump proved to be very good for business and it seems like Elon will take that position in the near future
 
but you don’t see some similarities with the way trump was/is treated and how Elon is right now ?

i think it's the job of the population as well as the media to challenge and criticize those in positions of power.

in trump's case, it all started on day one of his presidency immediately after his inauguration with his administration's ridiculous, childish statements about the size of the crowd and the subsequent doubling-down.

correcting that nonsense is not attacking the president. it's not "trying to burn him". it's the media doing its job.

i think that elon sees himself as something of a firebrand and his actions since taking control of twitter confirm this. he appears to be driven, in large part, by this whole - again somewhat childish - "own the libs" thing. so, what? he's allowed to challenge people but people are not allowed to challenge him back? it's silly and childish.

more generally speaking, when i see somebody criticized and they characterize it as "being attacked", to me that just speaks volumes about that person's maturity and also their conviction in their position in the first place...

alasdair
 
I suppose I could be reading it wrong but it seems like with trump no longer president his flame is dying out and there is a need for a new villain to generate those clicks since trump proved to be very good for business and it seems like Elon will take that position in the near future

I think the media (in general, on all sides) is like a school of sharks (is school the word for a group of sharks? Actually google says it's a "shiver"). Okay so the media is a shiver of sharks, circling around and once there's a bit of blood they have a feeding frenzy. So yeah, there is an aspect of that, as there was with Trump (and as there is with Biden, and AOC, and literally every political figure and famous person when they make any sort of blunder).

That said, I think the criticism of Elon is largely valid. The guy is making some strange moves that seem insane. It seems to me that after being forced to buy Twitter after he couldn't get out of it, he's decided to plant bombs in at least 2 or 3 floors of the building. I get how the paid verified accounts thing was probably an attempt to generate revenue, but it was very poorly rolled out. Firing half the staff has crippled the company. And meanwhile he continues to show his ass on a daily basis with his social media posts. I think the media is being much less obsessively aggressive with him than with Trump. Much as I can't stand Trump and maintain that he was a force of destruction as a president, I can admit that the media was absurdly overboard on him pretty frequently. But I see most of what's being said about Elon right now as just observations of a guy who's stuck a stick of dynamite up his own ass and just lit the fuse. I admit I haven't been following it all really closely, but I haven't seen anything I don't consider a more or less fair assessment. And until very recently, the media was all over his dick.
 
how would people - especially those who have a problem with it - define "woke"?

alasdair
Here's how Team DeSantis defines "woke."

Asked what “woke” means more generally, [Desantis’ General Counsel Ryan] Newman said “it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”

 
Anybody see the video of Musk getting booed offstage at a Chappelle standup show? :LOL:



Of course as expected, this happened:

musk-chappelle.jpg
 
thanks @Jerry Atrick

"the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them"

wow. it's no wonder the right is so up in arms. what an outrage!

so i guess, if you're 'anti-woke' (for want of a better term) then you either:
  • do not believe there are systemic injustices in American society
or you:
  • believe there are systemic injustices in American society but there's no need to address them
right?

it doesn't seem like the kind of thing worth getting ones panties in a bunch over...

alasdair
 
thanks @Jerry Atrick

"the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them"

wow. it's no wonder the right is so up in arms. what an outrage!

so i guess, if you're 'anti-woke' (for want of a better term) then you either:
  • do not believe there are systemic injustices in American society
or you:
  • believe there are systemic injustices in American society but there's no need to address them
right?

it doesn't seem like the kind of thing worth getting ones panties in a bunch over...

alasdair
Exactly. The "woke mind virus" is precisely a result of people getting sick and tired of being oppressed by rich elites like Musk, Bezos, etc and other wealthy career politicians in the pockets of Big Business.

But yeah righties, keep using "woke" as a derogatory slur as if you aren't outing yourself for being an unempathetic bigot wannabe rich person.
 
Exactly. The "woke mind virus" is precisely a result of people getting sick and tired of being oppressed by rich elites like Musk, Bezos, etc and other wealthy career politicians in the pockets of Big Business.
The phrase has been deliberately introduced (much like political correctness itself), along with all its attendant bullshit inverted/perverted psychology like the whole trans thing for example, to salt the ground of discourse and debate so none shall be had.

Whereas the left previously was actually making an effort to demonstrate against the ruling class system, e.g. at the turn of the millennium (Occupy Wall St for example), now they have allowed their ranks to become filled with confused individuals spreading deliberate propaganda so that the 'right' will attack them (and not the system). The same thing happened in the 60's. A growing group of people fed up with the system, poses a threat to the system, system hijacks and co-opts the movement into disorder and confusion.. in that context it was supplying psychedelics. Or you can take the more well known example that Chapelle would know, introducing crack etc into black communities to break down opposition there.

Not only that, but the left is filled with people who are now actively working for the beast and helping strengthen it, in particular the silicon valley crowd who are unwittingly contributing to creating the digital gulag. Their champion, Musk (and Gates historically), are just front men for the military industrial complex. I'm seeing more people (finally) beginning to wake up to this in all the comments on videos etc, people do finally see the hypocrisy of Musk and the contradictory nature of 'free speech' and 'I want to neurolace your brain'.

It's sad though because the righties do have a point, the left has debased itself unwittingly, like the hippies did, and the left instinctively reacts against that instead of seeing the enemy common to both 'sides'. All the while the ruling class laughs at both sides. If people paid a little more attention..
 
The phrase has been deliberately introduced (much like political correctness itself), along with all its attendant bullshit inverted/perverted psychology like the whole trans thing for example, to salt the ground of discourse and debate so none shall be had.

Whereas the left previously was actually making an effort to demonstrate against the ruling class system, e.g. at the turn of the millennium (Occupy Wall St for example), now they have allowed their ranks to become filled with confused individuals spreading deliberate propaganda so that the 'right' will attack them (and not the system). The same thing happened in the 60's. A growing group of people fed up with the system, poses a threat to the system, system hijacks and co-opts the movement into disorder and confusion.. in that context it was supplying psychedelics. Or you can take the more well known example that Chapelle would know, introducing crack etc into black communities to break down opposition there.

Not only that, but the left is filled with people who are now actively working for the beast and helping strengthen it, in particular the silicon valley crowd who are unwittingly contributing to creating the digital gulag. Their champion, Musk (and Gates historically), are just front men for the military industrial complex. I'm seeing more people (finally) beginning to wake up to this in all the comments on videos etc, people do finally see the hypocrisy of Musk and the contradictory nature of 'free speech' and 'I want to neurolace your brain'.

It's sad though because the righties do have a point, the left has debased itself unwittingly, like the hippies did, and the left instinctively reacts against that instead of seeing the enemy common to both 'sides'. All the while the ruling class laughs at both sides. If people paid a little more attention..
Good points. Who could have predicted the hippies would turn into the boomers who fucked everything up for the rest of us?

I'd say the Progressive Left is still "raging against the machine" to a certain extent. The problem is that the Left as you describe them are actually the mainstream, centrist left a la Biden and the DNC. They are indeed wealthy career politicians and capitalist lackeys; closer to being straight up conservative republicans than social democrats. But I like to distinguish mainstream dems from the Progressives who by the way refuse to accept corporate donations and usually fight for the little guy. But even they still sometimes make concessions because in the end all politicians are corrupt and if they aren't starting out, they eventually become so.
 
Good points. Who could have predicted the hippies would turn into the boomers who fucked everything up for the rest of us?
The overarching problem we have, that I always try to inject wherever possible, is that we have a ruling class that is two steps ahead of the general population and is very malicious in its intent. Obviously in the 60's few people, if any at all, would have suspected what the CIA was being used for, but thanks to the internet we now know they were actively involved in the counter-culture scene.

This is the problem we have. We have immensely secretive and powerful agencies, using the latest in military technology and psychological understanding, that the ruling class have a top-down strategic view of. They are able to pull strings through this military industrial complex and literally influence societal trends without the public even knowing.
I'd say the Progressive Left is still "raging against the machine" to a certain extent. The problem is that the Left as you describe them are actually the mainstream, centrist left a la Biden and the DNC. They are indeed wealthy career politicians and capitalist lackeys; closer to being straight up conservative republicans than social democrats. But I like to distinguish mainstream dems from the Progressives who by the way refuse to accept corporate donations and usually fight for the little guy. But even they still sometimes make concessions because in the end all politicians are corrupt and if they aren't starting out, they eventually become so.
They've blurred the lines and salted the ground. Classic divide and conquer. I'm not an expert on the USA domestic scene, but I remember someone else laying out that there was a definite momentum within the left in the USA right up until around 2010 when it suddenly transitioned (lol) into all the divisive nonsense we see now. Post-2008 when there was real anger, justified anger, then it all just dissipated.
 
I considered myself left my whole life. I was proudly liberal actually. Now I’m just looking for the truth. I still believe in traditionally left causes like the environment and that we should take care of the poor and mentally ill but I couldn’t vote for Joe Biden and I could never vote for trump.
We need to stop playing this game of left vs right, it just plays straight into the hands of the actual division which is ruling class vs everyone else. Left and right used to be about ones position on economic theory but it has been misshapen to include everything under the Sun. Even then it was still bollocks because economic theory doesn't mean shit when the monetary system is run on fiat currency, when central banks are private institutions, and when there's a consolidation of power through the use of the corporate system e.g. shareholders controlling companies, all the way up the chain to financial institutions and individuals like the Sovereign (golden shares in corporations).

We're being fucked every which way and from every direction. You're not wrong. It's fucking frustrating knowing there's something wrong but then everywhere you turn you're being gaslighted into thinking you are the problem, and when you pop questions into search engines all you get back are sanitized corporate results. Youtube is hardly any different. It is virtually impossible to find renegade channels and content creators who aren't just hucksters or corporate shills chasing coin.
 
"left" and "right" are factions at war for power. the right faction (military types) is backing Musk while the left faction (spooks) use their private sector proxies (big software companies) to facilitate information warfare against the right faction.

America used to export Big Macs and baseball but now it exports "social justice" ideology. It's just the new face of cultural imperialism. None of the "inequities" will ever really be solved, at either extreme you end up with either a Hitler in charge or Stalin. Guess what, they both sent LGBTQ+ to the camps.
 
i hear this sentiment - left and right is a distraction to keep the focus off how we're all being screwed by the man - reasonably frequently in here.

it would be a little more credible if those earnestly saying it didn't criticize sjw liberal sheep a sentence or two later...

be the change.

alasdair
 
it would be a little more credible if those earnestly saying it didn't criticize sjw liberal sheep a sentence or two later...

i call em as i see em.

liberals go along to get along.

liberal tolerance is why liberal politics has become consumed by social justice, wherein society is broken down into discrete "marginalized groups" that get catered to under the guise of repairing some great injustice that was done.

call me crazy but i don't really expect unity from a voting bloc that loves "diversity" when it means your skin tone is different, but hates it when it means your opinions are different.
 
Call me crazy but in todays world I don’t even see that many injustices….yea there is the police problem which I think can be broken down into two reasons, A. Legitimately racist cops which is a problem that needs to be delt with, and B. Statistics…and what I mean by that is when a cop is in training and showed statistics that show they are more likely to be resisted/attacked/shot at by a certain race it’s going to put them on edge when in those situations…but other than that I don’t see inequality in the work force, there probably is some in insurance loans ect. But again I think those are based off statistics, like this group of people are more likely to default than others…is that racist or just loss management from a business stand point , I dunno I don’t see much racism in my day to day life, certainly not as much as the TV would like you to believe
 
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