Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

[ageingpartyfiend]

I have my reasons to take a harder stance on this @ageingpartyfiend the way COVID has been handled, and all of the sludge which murks up my ‘brighter’ points and caused a ton of death and trillions in extended financial losses of all kinds in Canada and the US drastically outweighs any govt control whining about a short poke that is vast minority complications. And exemptions are made.

This whole stupid issue absolutely wrecked my best relationship because we disagreed on whether it was okay for him to keep coming home with COVID getting us sick, he is a trucker who is constantly picking up everything he’s around in the USA. He kept coming home sick, wouldn’t get checked, was just as stupid about it as a ton of the posters in here are, etc, didn’t want vaccines, didn’t want govt control.

Hey Kevin! Red light! Green light!

It led to our final confrontation which destroyed everything. He was going to come home sick AGAIN with his shitty attitude and I couldn’t stand it. I have a lot of reasons to be terrified of this behaviour. Although his employer had to fucking move things around last time he tested positive, got COVID very shortly after probably from him, her husband wound up in the hospital with it, etc. I thought if I asked her to talk to him about getting a test, just a test, she might respond. She was wrapped around his finger as they’re close friends and birds of a feather flock together right?

That to the last part which is more hurtful and fucked up on both of us than I care to write about here. i love that man so much, and this argument actually ruined us.

I have been homeless extensively ever since in a climate where costs have doubled to live at the bottom rung and the lack of cohesion on this very issue is the root cause of severe underfunding and unavailability of resources. If you think I am wrong. Fuck you, you villianous twat. Pussy. Go get a poke so we can stop bailing out the incorrigible middle to upper ends which structure us. You help suppress the numbers and I’ll show you a society that recovers quicker. Or wind up sick. It’s on you buddy,

Hey KEVIN! Red light! Green light!

I have a SEVERE autoimmune disease which will kill me in my 30s most likely. It trumps any whining about COVID or vaccines any day. I don’t understand what all of your issues are. You’re a bunch of pathetic whiners and you’re going to ruin your appeal with your systems, which whether you like it or not, are better than no system. And people you care about. Vaccines and testing and masks are superior to your crucifying antiestablishment whiner bullshit. No one enjoys this. The science and the experience of this backs me up all fucking day that I am right and you are wrong,

COVID-19 will DESTROY me if it triggers my disease. If you want to come around me sick, you better fucking watch it.

THATS why I support mandatory vaccines. It’s a mandatory school lesson against pseudo=schizophrenic conspiracy regarding something which is very simple. These things have been developed and more than suggested for a reason, and the true numbers make you look REALLY dumb.

HEY KEVIN! RED LIGHT! GREEN LIGHT!

If that is addressed to me personally, you're barking up the wrong tree and I'm gonna politely ask you to wind ya fuckin neck in, many thanks - you sound as unhinged about it as the crew you're railing against

I've had vaccines personally, for reasons. IDGAF who else does, and does not get vaccinated.

You clearly have circumstances that inform the way you think, fair enough. Vaccines don't really affect transmission etc though, that much has been clear since the beginning, so there's that eh

I'll defend anyone's freedom to not be forced into vaccination by government, and if you're coming for my family or friends with your 'manadatory' motif then you're coming through me first.

 

[Joey]

If that is addressed to me personally, you're barking up the wrong tree and I'm gonna politely ask you to wind ya fuckin neck in, many thanks

I've had vaccines personally, for reasons. IDGAF who else does, and does not get vaccinated.

You clearly have circumstances that inform the way you think, fair enough. Vaccines don't really affect transmission etc though, that much as been clear since the beginning, so there's that eh

I'll defend anyone's freedom to not be forced into vaccination by government, and if you're coming for my family or friends with your 'manadatory' motif then you're coming through me first.

I just made a small edit. I’m more addressing the conspiracy nuts. You didn’t say anything about the issue except you don’t like mandatory and you think it’s a pitfall to an otherwise intelligent argument. Unless you want to expand, I’m not really targeting you.

But, you are buying into the politicization of it as if mandatory basic health care via vaccinations isn’t already a thing. I think you have a strong chance of being slipped right on by here.

Vaccines don’t affect transmission. They suppress symptoms and the time you have a virus. Lowered transmission is a secondary effect due to the shorter time frame there is for the virus to transmit. This basic fact in how vaccines work has been known for centuries, and anyone in the know won’t be swayed by transmissibility.

Once I tested positive after being triple vaxxed. I had no symptoms though. The check was just routine as I was in ER for something else.

My circumstantial thought process and anger about it are existent, but please don’t think I’m not for the greater whole here. If vaccines were put into place, people would be up in arms and whine and whatever, but it wouldn’t be nearly the big deal people make it out to be. Mandated vaccines have been in place for the most part for our whole lives, save an ultimate choice to become anti vaxxer which we all know has done nothing but reestablish diseases like the measles which were largely zero cases for lengths close to a century.

I don’t mind agreeing to disagree. You’re not crying about all the shit some people are. But this one’s in the bag for me. Honestly. If you think I’m pretty bright, at least acknowledge I have a thought out set of reasons here.

Sometimes we make sacrifices for the greater good. This virus has quickly outnumbered the death toll of any prior genocide iirc.

 

[Joey]

Hey Kevin. You should take a look at your buddies here, this is what you looked like bro. Watch out for the government control yellow light, your truck has a 74ft trailer and it’s heavy. Love you!

 

[Joey]

@ageingpartyfiend

About coming across as unhinged as the rest. That’s exactly why I wrote it that way, thank you. People who are emotional and fighting for causes absolutely strategize with some hard words. I’m an activist in harm reduction drug policy on a professional level and I absolutely bake the cake with familiar tone when I think it will grab your attention.

Maybe someone will think about it beyond their egos being razzed. I don’t give a fuck. Bring it. No offense.

 

[Electrum1]

Traditional vaccines that are mandatory have gone through the proper amount of testing in clinical trials for 10+ years before even being approved.

Covid shots that use experimental mRNA technology that has never been used on humans until ~2 years ago, and has not gone through the proper length of clinical safety trails as traditional vaccines do, for a virus that is only ~3 years old, absolutely should not be mandatory

Take as many shots as you want, but when you support forcing others to get those shots then you clearly don't stand for individual rights

 

[Joey]

Traditional vaccines that are mandatory have gone through the proper amount of testing in clinical trials for 10+ years before even being approved.

Covid shots that use experimental mRNA technology that has never been used on humans until ~2 years ago, and has not gone through the proper length of clinical safety trails as traditional vaccines do, for a virus that is only ~3 years old, absolutely should not be mandatory

Take as many shots as you want, but when you support forcing others to get those shots then you clearly don't stand for individual rights

Correct. I stand for the group in this particular case. No shame whatsoever.

This leads to individuals being alive vs being dead or severely hampered in the secondary and tertiary ways this misunderstanding has got things moving around.

The studies of prior vaccines, how vaccines work, trillions spent, and the emergence of things like AI being able to make calculations to incredible levels of accuracy and proficiency has actually got these vaccines down pat the most studied in history though. Being able to get shit done in better time is not a bad thing. Another scare tactic down the hatch!

 

[Joey]

I’m hoping to summon @MsDiz who is actually a top researcher who has been on the issue of vaccines specifically. She isn’t even all big brother yo, so it’s cool. Her factual ability to hypothesize and prove it’s not that bad. Without reference even as being an official source. I’d say this is so.

I think she’s pretty cool anyway,

 

[Joey]

Do people who fake beliefs in individualism on just this issue so bad- while they support basic laws, mandatory basic health care, even other vaccines etc, truly get the judgement call?

I thought that sort of self centeredness was counterintuitive to equality, inclusion, human rights, supportive social frameworks, etc. Like all those other hot buttons we live on for this era in the world.

Let’s see if I get aligned to 1984 or something ha ha because obviously I can’t seperate an issue. It’s easier to do that than look the fall of 2020s dead streets in downtown Los Angelos where hospitals were over 100% capacity and the mandate was to assume everyone has it. People were dead in their apartments. Why this was underpublicized and offset to just what you could see from the interstate, lots of traffic (hint more OUT than in) only some conspiracy nut may know.

Capt heroin took me for a walk in downtown Los Angelos one day around Oct of 2020. He was a lovely person and I miss him. Thank you for showing me that. That's way scarier than any mandated vaccine could ever be.

 

[Joey]

To be specific he passed by three people and two cars through a two city block walk to the store and back which took 20 minutes. Middle of the afternoon. He knew what was going on. Trust.

 

[Foreigner]

This is so extreme.

@MsDiz what kind of a forum are we? We want to X but we also want X Reduction. If reducing X through the safer use and proper representation of Y, we eliminate stigma don’t we?

Or do we show disrespect for people engaging in something specifically for basic health reasons. What if X is extremely politicized and the spread of misinformation in the war on X costs over time millions of lives and trillions of dollars needlessly.

Does this analogy work?

Remember guys. When something is studied endlessly and pondered endlessly by all kinds of folk for all kinds of reasons, you can probably find evidence to support anything you like in any way.

Idk I just have a hunch the world didn’t shut down for no reason, not all medical science and political deployment to solve world issues is Inherently malevolent, the basic numbers and facts are probably on par, the scientific community has basis, the world is not all some conspiracy about the boogeymen out to get you, etc.

Technology and investment may have these vaccines as the most researched in history despite a shorter time. Everything which comes out in regard to the long term and incidence rates of collateral damage due to COVID infection negates the fact that vaccines aren’t quite perfect with a fraction of a percent having actual proven damages,

The history books for this time period are going to be interesting. The future is the flu, the common cold, and COVID for sure now, and vaccines will obviously still exist and be improved upon yet again. All theorizing aside, it’s almost certain there will be a lot of disrespect for whatever is identified as the main antagonistic forces creating these platforms of fear and conspiracy and such.

Every time I read this foolishness, always accompanied with its anecdote, or vast minority of cases in evidence, calling everyone else brainwashed or devoid of critical thought or whatever - I just think of the USAs death rate compared to New Zealand. I think it’s killing people that this rubbish continues to have a serious platform.

I’ve got absolutely zero shame in saying I support mandatory vaccinations. With only proven medical reasons to not get one being the exemption. Not fear. The medicine our ultra intelligent species as human beings have studied for eons with all our tech.

We can study something in a single day with greater efficiency than an entire centuries work could manage in a century just centuries ago. Pick any one I don’t mind. Let the experts work, like MsDiz for instance.

No bias in this post whatsoever. Nope.

If you support mandatory vaccinations then you are brainwashed and 100% absolutely part of the problem.

You're either operating on extremely old information or you just don't read peer reviewed research whatsoever.

The covid vaccine doesn't work. The highest number of serious covid cases per capita are now the vaccinated. It has literally become a pandemic of the vaccinated.

I'm not operating from a place of fear, but critical thinking.

If you have zero shame about the bilge you just spewed, then I have zero shame responding to you in kind. If you think people should not have a choice over what goes in their bodies, and if you think people's lives should be ruined if they refuse, then you should *********************. Seriously, I ********************** will fight people like you until my last breath. People with your ideology are destroying the last vestiges of freedom in the western world with your symptoms of mass psychosis.

I've tried for years now to be reasonable, but this is where you people have pushed me... pure ********************* and your kind. You have no respect for my right to choose and so you are my blood enemy now. I don't give one single fuck what shit you put in your body or if you kill yourself in the process, but trying to override my sovereign, god given right to choose is a violation that I will not tolerate. ****************

No need for all the "die this kill that" stuff please. That goes for anyone else too. Keep it civil despite your clear and obvious differences in opinion please. Thank you. CFC

 

[Las Veghost grower]

But you do street drugs, a scientist made the vaccine , do you even science bro ? I put baking soda in vinegar and made some fizzy bubbles, I’m a scientist bro, just get the shot, for humanity, this is bigger than oneself this is about saving the world from the flu

 

[neversickanymore]

Area Man Accepts Burden Of Being Only Person On Earth Who Understands How World Actually Works

i feel there are a few here too! it must be a troubling burden.

alasdair

Just a heads up this guy is delusional.. I am the only person on earth that knows everything. Clearly if he knew everything he would have known that.

 

[Fire&Water]

Great post, great edit
@Foreigner

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[Joey]

No bias in this post whatsoever. Nope.

If you support mandatory vaccinations then you are brainwashed and 100% absolutely part of the problem.

You're either operating on extremely old information or you just don't read peer reviewed research whatsoever.

The covid vaccine doesn't work. The highest number of serious covid cases per capita are now the vaccinated. It has literally become a pandemic of the vaccinated.

I'm not operating from a place of fear, but critical thinking.

If you have zero shame about the bilge you just spewed, then I have zero shame responding to you in kind. If you think people should not have a choice over what goes in their bodies, and if you think people's lives should be ruined if they refuse, then you should *********************. Seriously, I ********************** will fight people like you until my last breath. People with your ideology are destroying the last vestiges of freedom in the western world with your symptoms of mass psychosis.

I've tried for years now to be reasonable, but this is where you people have pushed me... pure ********************* and your kind. You have no respect for my right to choose and so you are my blood enemy now. I don't give one single fuck what shit you put in your body or if you kill yourself in the process, but trying to override my sovereign, god given right to choose is a violation that I will not tolerate. ****************

No need for all the "die this kill that" stuff please. That goes for anyone else too. Keep it civil despite your clear and obvious differences in opinion please. Thank you. CFC

I am biased. 100%. I’m also correct.

 

[Joey]

Blood enemy. The rampage sparked by being asked to not spread a killer virus they even went out if their way to make the solution free, ly -available too, and has minimal downsides compared to the millions dead makes me think that bias is perfectly okay. Come get me killer.

Bias and non-bias in an argument shouldn’t be taken into account so much honestly. Of course we’re biased. I like doing small things for the greater benefit of society. I don’t trust everything either, but this isn’t nearly the human rights affront people make it up be. Some people have real problems like a vaccine complication, which this makes a mockery of when the real rate of occurrence and the whys are bent to suit a bloody murder level wah wah.

Generally speaking, we’re (majority of posters in NA or EU or AUS) in the most awakened, though divided, and pro choice (drop the abortion terminology for a sec here) societies in history. At least the vocal calls for this are loud and clear. And heard.

But there are 100% things across nations which should be, can be, and either are or will be accounted for. It’s usually like that. It’s an academic and punitive approach which is annoying at times, but at least we’re not free to call to action bloody murder for basic health care.

Oh wait we are. What stays within free speech and crosses lines is decided case by case. I and especially any authority won’t slam everyone equally. That’s a snark and a half because there are incredible downsides to that too, but this vaccine isn’t one of them.

I don’t mind being hard in my stance when I believe in something strongly. The fear mongering and radicalization here thanks to Trump and all sorts all over has created that. People are literally turned mentally I’ll in the heat of it.

In 25 years all of this will be very different. The people who took care despite being uncomfortable following a mandate will be verifiably correct. But these arguments won’t be as much a thing as that time period will be a few sets of hot buttons removed? You know what I mean?

Hopefully some basic genetic mods and improved vaccinations to be able to hold strong at under 90-95% retention will be holding things upright. The more hostile and clueless nations like China, the USA, even a lot of Canada where I’m from turned something which had maybe a possibility to squash a permanent problem.

I don’t really care if I hit a few funny bones here. These ideologies to align a simple vaccination in an emergency to full Orwellian terror, and an ‘I’m gonna stand in front of you in this bloodbath I swear upon you ’! style thinking can be kept to. DPRK and places we should be more focused on that than here.

It’s laughable. I am absolutely bitter, but I’ll puppeteer in a pro health stance all day even if I do get called a puppet. It’s okay to be brainwashed if you’re on track and open to suggestion anyway.

Do the short pokes kill the majority and no anecdote or something? Anyone got something with a DOI number on this?

 

[Joey]

But you do street drugs, a scientist made the vaccine , do you even science bro ? I put baking soda in vinegar and made some fizzy bubbles, I’m a scientist bro, just get the shot, for humanity, this is bigger than oneself this is about saving the world from the flu

If you don’t understand the basic physical structure of a coronavirus it’s gonna be tough to get protective measures when you ask for a flu shot dude! Or strapped down to a gurney by most peoples interpretations?

Did you know that you can be totally selfish, super intelligent or exactly the opposite, any personality or body type or heritage, and say no? They might not go hard if it’s gonna cause a riot!

The majority of people aren’t this angry or apt to target people (with what amounts to a hateful knee jerk response incubated by ‘conspiracy freaks’ echo chambers everywhere) anyway. Let the majority clean up. Sometimes up the sheeple have a good honest point.

For the most part I think you guys are just afraid of the incredible changes and damage this is causing which all in all makes sense. I think you’re misfiring wrong enemy but I believe in forgiveness. I’ll do exactly my thing and hold strong in my beliefs anyway. If you can I can. That’s how you incite debates or slam misguided and impotent arguments anyway. Full on.

Most arguments don’t require posturing like this! To be understood!

 

[Joey]

Except the vaccine doesn’t even stop the spread , so….your dumb

Only as a secondary effect. Vaccines have historically been very, very wise if you’re able to make attributions and come back full circle to..

Yeah huh it totes does!

 

[Joey]

You know what would be really impactful for public health? Revising the food pyramid from promoting garbage grain based processed stuff and flipping that darn pyramid on its head! That’s actually a real scam by govt for money and sheeple conspiracy.

 

[Joey]

I know COVID has a snakelike incidence of things like not producing an autoimmune response in 1/3 of people infected and mutating rapidly - so political outrage and pooling a shitton of cash to research utilizing AI is managing to keep vaccines effectiveness falling behind their potential and actual utility.. for now.

One of the biggest issues with COVID is that, and then the other 2/3 having an average 3 month ‘immunity’. Immunity can actually range from what’s considered immunity, to an autoimmune response which actually kills you depending on the virus. The only thing going for it here in my QuickTake, and also not knowing everything, is at least that immunity (for SARS-2-CoV-19 or COVID-19 which is the true media successor to SARS 2003 though dozens of coronaviruses have been identified) is a partial protective immunity.

This is trickier than govt control or aggressive civil action cares to address. Most don’t bother to find out this stuff. Thank God people on the top of healthcare and scientific research have way more pull.