Antiprosynthesis
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Both have, when compared, similarities as well as differences; a similarity is that they both composed many works in the musical form and with the musical identity of their native land, Liszt wrote the 19 Hungarian rhapsodies and Chopin wrote many Mazurka and Polonaise (both Polish dances) - chopin even wrote his music in the way the Polish tongue creates certain sounds while speaking, bringing about lots of ornamentation in the music...
In his Mazurkas Chopin is called the alchemist cause this were highly experimental works, all written before 1849 - the year Chopin died - and still today every student jazz piano, even tho Chopin is classical music, mandatory must play the Mazurkas, cause they form the foundation of what later on would become jazz due to the entirely new way of accomodating the dominant 7 chord and the modulations...
Chopin never composed 'programmatic music' meaning he never gave titles to his compositions other than opus x nr y... All titles such as revolutionary etude or la tempesta (the storm) or heroic polonaise were all given later on by critics, however Chopin gave the hints to do so; about the revolutionary etude, composed while the russians invaded poland and Chopin got stuck in Paris while on his way to Vienna, he wrote in his journal that he had nightmares about his mother and sisters getting raped and killed by the Russians, about La Tempesta he wrote its like the stormwind rambling over the graves at night and the heroic polonaise sounded so nationalistic that while a first performance of this piece all the polish refugees in the public stood up and started singing the national anthem...
Liszt on the other hand - dont get me wrong, also Liszt composed music of the highest quality - and while both composed the most difficult and virtuoso works, Liszt made his music on purpose difficult, like crossing hands and over the top soloistic, improvisational really fast passages, in which Liszt was very progressive - he wrote in such sections no time measurment and no bars, and rubato, which with Liszt really means slowing down and speeding up both hands...
Chopin, also very progressive, was however more conservative regarding these things, his rubato, making it very unique, means that only the right hand may slow down and speed up, the left must keep the metrum giving it a classicistic 18th century air...
However, Chopin was also very progressive, he was the first composer ever to call an instrumental piece a Ballad - up until then it was a song for a king or ruler with power about his own glory... Also he redefined the Sonata, about his second Sonata was said in that time that he smuggeled 4 of his weirdest and least comprehensive works into music and simply calling at a Sonata...
Also his Etudes came as quite a shock, ppl did not believe that it was actually possible to play those pieces, because they are just that difficult and there is such a gigantic hole between the previous greatest composer, Beethoven, and Chopin - also Chopin his music is even more difficult cause not only demands it the best technique, but also musically it consists of the most complex music ever written, more complex than Liszt his music...
Liszt did wrote programmatic music, think of the piece Liebestraum (love dream) or the series of Consolations - Liszt was the first rockstar, having sex with many baronesses, doing lots of drugs, making a show of his concerts, fe example he would come on stage, calmly take the score off the pupiter of the piano, look at it and then in a serious rage ripp the score in pieces and trow them in the audience, also he had two piano's on stage, he played so powerfull that soon strings broke, he then simply moved to the other piano while on the first the strings got repaired until on the second strings broke and so he moved back; when he got old he started to regret his lifestyle and feared God would punish him so he moved to Italy and became a priest and wrote music for God like fe the Consolations I mentioned...
While all Chopin his music breathes poland, Liszt his music was more international, he among other stuff wrote a Spanish rhapsody and the very demanding Etude after Paganini La Campanella (which is an Italian village), he also wrote andalousian songs (which are actually just piano works, no singing involved)...
I could go on like this long time, but Im afraid its already such a long text almost nobody will read it, but I enjoyed myself writing it!
In his Mazurkas Chopin is called the alchemist cause this were highly experimental works, all written before 1849 - the year Chopin died - and still today every student jazz piano, even tho Chopin is classical music, mandatory must play the Mazurkas, cause they form the foundation of what later on would become jazz due to the entirely new way of accomodating the dominant 7 chord and the modulations...
Chopin never composed 'programmatic music' meaning he never gave titles to his compositions other than opus x nr y... All titles such as revolutionary etude or la tempesta (the storm) or heroic polonaise were all given later on by critics, however Chopin gave the hints to do so; about the revolutionary etude, composed while the russians invaded poland and Chopin got stuck in Paris while on his way to Vienna, he wrote in his journal that he had nightmares about his mother and sisters getting raped and killed by the Russians, about La Tempesta he wrote its like the stormwind rambling over the graves at night and the heroic polonaise sounded so nationalistic that while a first performance of this piece all the polish refugees in the public stood up and started singing the national anthem...
Liszt on the other hand - dont get me wrong, also Liszt composed music of the highest quality - and while both composed the most difficult and virtuoso works, Liszt made his music on purpose difficult, like crossing hands and over the top soloistic, improvisational really fast passages, in which Liszt was very progressive - he wrote in such sections no time measurment and no bars, and rubato, which with Liszt really means slowing down and speeding up both hands...
Chopin, also very progressive, was however more conservative regarding these things, his rubato, making it very unique, means that only the right hand may slow down and speed up, the left must keep the metrum giving it a classicistic 18th century air...
However, Chopin was also very progressive, he was the first composer ever to call an instrumental piece a Ballad - up until then it was a song for a king or ruler with power about his own glory... Also he redefined the Sonata, about his second Sonata was said in that time that he smuggeled 4 of his weirdest and least comprehensive works into music and simply calling at a Sonata...
Also his Etudes came as quite a shock, ppl did not believe that it was actually possible to play those pieces, because they are just that difficult and there is such a gigantic hole between the previous greatest composer, Beethoven, and Chopin - also Chopin his music is even more difficult cause not only demands it the best technique, but also musically it consists of the most complex music ever written, more complex than Liszt his music...
Liszt did wrote programmatic music, think of the piece Liebestraum (love dream) or the series of Consolations - Liszt was the first rockstar, having sex with many baronesses, doing lots of drugs, making a show of his concerts, fe example he would come on stage, calmly take the score off the pupiter of the piano, look at it and then in a serious rage ripp the score in pieces and trow them in the audience, also he had two piano's on stage, he played so powerfull that soon strings broke, he then simply moved to the other piano while on the first the strings got repaired until on the second strings broke and so he moved back; when he got old he started to regret his lifestyle and feared God would punish him so he moved to Italy and became a priest and wrote music for God like fe the Consolations I mentioned...
While all Chopin his music breathes poland, Liszt his music was more international, he among other stuff wrote a Spanish rhapsody and the very demanding Etude after Paganini La Campanella (which is an Italian village), he also wrote andalousian songs (which are actually just piano works, no singing involved)...
I could go on like this long time, but Im afraid its already such a long text almost nobody will read it, but I enjoyed myself writing it!
