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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

nepalnt21 said:
someone tag me if you find the latest on vaccine reactions for under 5s, especially moderna.
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U.S. VAERS data from Dec. 14, 2020, to July 29, 2022, for 6-month-olds to 5-year-olds show:



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nepalnt21 said:
yes, scured of not being there for my kids because i skipped a not- that- dangerous vaccine in favor of risking death from a dangerous virus. go ahead, make fun of me for being a decent father. i care a lot about your uninformed opinion.

yep, cause my kids are in a higher- risk age group for kids (under 5s). why would i risk serious covid-19 outcomes (which do happen, especially for kids under 5) when there is a fairly safe (not perfectly safe, but a heck of a lot safer than covid) vaccine available? seems pretty stupid to gamble on my kids' health with the virus and no vaccine, unless you have more info from a reliable source on severe vaccine reactions to kids under 5?

not yet, supposed to be an omicron specific booster in september, though.

hopefully you're up to date on your t-dap! tetanus looks completely fucked.


ooo, thanks for posting this. it pays to be up- to- date on the latest info.

here's the study:


even the authors say the risk from the virus is higher, but it looks like if you're between a teenage and 40 year old male, you should probably get a vaccine that ISN'T the moderna.

luckily where i am (usa) we have choices.
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so im not too sure i feel comfortable with them just saying now that you should probably avoid the moderna shots almost 2 years after the fact and a year after trying to mandate the same shot on the entire population

the other choice was J&J and they're not recommending that anymore either....

if that sits ok with you, then that's you - but not me
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
so im not too sure i feel comfortable with them just saying now that you should probably avoid the moderna shots almost 2 years after the fact and a year after trying to mandate the same shot on the entire population

the other choice was J&J and they're not recommending that anymore either....

if that sits ok with you, then that's you - but not me
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Get this, to even get the new omicron shot, you need to have all of the previous shots for variants that no longer even exist. Obvious racket
 
mal3volent said:
What do you make of this @-=SS=- , @Electrum1

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Interesting data, but this really proves on both sides of the argument how difficult it can be to infer any factual information out of such a graph, especially to average people like everyone in this thread.

It leads to a series of questions that contradict each other in their implicit answer:

1. Why did deaths go up after vaccines come out? (if true: )
2. Why did deaths go up if the variants were less deadly? (if true: )
3. Why did conservatives die significantly more after vaccines if they are significantly less vaccinated? (if true: )
4. Why are rural areas dying more if they are more socially distanced?...

... I could keep making contradictory secondary questions into infinity.

Right off the bat we have 4 immediate implicit explanations that BOTH SIDES argue to be true, yet completely contradict each other... and this singular graph answers none of it.

There are a million other factors not included in this data. Frequency of testing, accuracy of testing, total cases per population compared to death, waning of vaccine effectiveness, how can anyone say vaccine actually makes covid worse by looking at this graph... blah blah blah +1,000,000 others. Don't tell me any of you can answer all 4 of those questions I asked without contradicting yourself.

None of us are experts. None of us know for sure. If you are completely convinced one way or the other, you are full of yourself and need a reality check.

Only fools are positive.™
 
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nepalnt21 said:
yes, scured of not being there for my kids because i skipped a not- that- dangerous vaccine in favor of risking death from a dangerous virus. go ahead, make fun of me for being a decent father. i care a lot about your uninformed opinion.

yep, cause my kids are in a higher- risk age group for kids (under 5s). why would i risk serious covid-19 outcomes (which do happen, especially for kids under 5) when there is a fairly safe (not perfectly safe, but a heck of a lot safer than covid) vaccine available? seems pretty stupid to gamble on my kids' health with the virus and no vaccine, unless you have more info from a reliable source on severe vaccine reactions to kids under 5?
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You actually felt your <5 y/os were in serious danger from catching covid? Do they have leukemia or something?

If not, then you don't know how to read science.

Do you know what the death rate was for children <5 y/o who were not immune-compromised before the vax came out? I'll wait.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
He already posted that. It's higher than you would think.


this is before vaccines came out, data collected is from 2020


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Do you know how to read a chart?

The death rate in children <5 y/o is LESS THAN 0.0001% meaning LESS THAN 1/10,000. Now, that is based on a study. If you look at the ACTUAL number of deaths in children, it's way lower than even that.

Stop posting things you don't understand.

Meanwhile, the Pfizer data shows that the ADR rate is 3%. Do you know how many people died in the clinical trials? I'll wait.

Anyone who gives this shit to their children is an idiot who fell for propaganda. You sold your children up the river.
 
Foreigner said:
Please cite the risk to children <5 y/o from covid infection before the vaccine came out. I'll wait.
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Just did.

Foreigner said:
Your opinion of is literally irrelevant. I couldn't care less.
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I know. Which makes you potentially irrelevant in this "debate" thread if you aren't even willing to debate.

What's the point in you even typing if all you do is ignore anyone who says otherwise, then insult them "psychotic, insane, you don't understand"?
 
The fact that even the corrupt bureaucratic CDC has only 1,420 Covid deaths for 0-18 years old, for the entire U.S. since Jan 2020, says a lot. How many of those deaths weren't even FROM Covid, and were just positive tests?
 
I thought all deaths were covid related these days...?
But I agree we should leave the children out of all of our madness regardless.
 
You guys will defend this crap even as the house of cards is falling apart. The UK just revoked approval for vaccines in children. Fauci just stepped down. The Pfizer data is now released in full (by court order) in the USA. 70% of the kids who got vaxxed in the USA did not return for a second dose. The 30% who did were likely mostly from brainwashed or virtue signalling parents. The writing is on the wall.

SS is right, you people are hopelessly lost. Your minds have been hijacked and you will side with it to your dying breath.

There is no "reasonable" debate about this anymore. It either works or it doesn't, it either harms or it doesn't. This isn't January 2021, you can't hide behind propaganda anymore when we have real data.

I would never in a million years give my child a drug that has no long-term data. It's signing them up for an experiment. It doesn't matter how many children they put in their phase III trial, they can't make up for YEARS of waiting and observation. The idiots who served their children up to the medical establishment because their consent was manufactured with fear are going to get everything they deserve. Like I said, Darin in action. Enjoy your boosters!
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Really? Source?
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Sorry, I had 10 windows open. It wasn't children, it was pregnant and breastfeeding women:
www.gov.uk

Summary of the Public Assessment Report for COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

Which is like... holy shit. They were injecting this stuff into pregnant and breastfeeding women since 2021 when the safety wasn't established?

This is their story now. "Well, it was always experimental, so there were bound to be risks."

But they concealed the data until June of 2022 when it was forcibly released by court order.

By the way, the link above... the media is totally silent about it. The change is very quiet indeed. I guess they want to avoid a slew of lawsuits.
 
Foreigner said:
There is no "reasonable" debate about this anymore.
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Then stop posting, because this debate needs to be reasonable and not complete insults.

I am not above my own advice. I have been unreasonable a long time ago and infracted for it.

But I really do draw the line at laughing at someone's children being harmed just because you believe it to be true. Not appropriate.

You can call me psychotic all you wish, don't insult kids or parental decisions in this thread.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Really? Source?
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i think he's referring to the UK not approving covid vaccines for children aged 6 months to 5 years old like they have in the U.S.


When can children under 5 get the Covid vaccine?​

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have recently become available in the USA to babies, toddlers and children aged 6 months to four years, following trials which showed these vaccines to be safe and effective in these age groups.

In the UK, the government has not yet announced when or if the Covid vaccine will be made available to babies, toddlers and children aged 6 months to four years. It may be useful to bear in mind that it’s extremely rare for young children to become seriously ill or die from Covid.
 
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