Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

[nepalnt21]

I still don’t get why all these folx got the trump vaccine. Must have been his strong leadership that convinced them taking an experimental therapy for a mild disease was a good idea

over a million people have died of covid IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE!

if that's mild, i'd hate to see your idea of a serious pandemic.

and i sure as hell would hope someone with more balls and brains than trump's narcissistic ass would be our head of state. also funny you keep imagining trump somehow had much to do with making these "experimental" (lol) vaccines.

how many billions of doses need to be administered before you don't consider them experimental anymore?

edit

oh for fuck's sake... baited again in the NOT covid thread. can we stay on topic?

the topic is:

terrorists of jan. 6 (anti- pat traitor poltroon terrorists, to be more specific) getting their comeuppance.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

over a million people have died of covid IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE!

if that's mild, i'd hate to see your idea of a serious pandemic.

and i sure as hell would hope someone with more balls and brains than trump's narcissistic ass would be our head of state. also funny you keep imagining trump somehow had much to do with making these "experimental" (lol) vaccines.

how many billions of doses need to be administered before you don't consider them experimental anymore?

edit

oh for fuck's sake... baited again in the NOT covid thread. can we stay on topic?

the topic is:

terrorists of jan. 6 (anti- pat traitor poltroon terrorists, to be more specific) getting their comeuppance.

You don’t think the COVID numbers , from cases to deaths , is a little,..how do you say, fucked ? Or are the fairly accurate ? And terrorists, that’s adorable

 

[Las Veghost grower]

maybe some of your assumptions about people are wrong?



alasdair

I’m pretty sure that’s impossible ? I mean I don’t think Iv ever been wrong about anything, ever

 

[nepalnt21]

You don’t think the COVID numbers , from cases to deaths , is a little,..how do you say, fucked ? Or are the fairly accurate ? And terrorists, that’s adorable

demonstrate whatever you're implying with that first one, and find me a definition of 'terrorism' that doesn't fit what the terrorists were doing.

 

[Droppersneck]

You don’t think the COVID numbers , from cases to deaths , is a little,..how do you say, fucked ? Or are the fairly accurate ? And terrorists, that’s adorable

I got a warning on yt for telling someone to divide the cases by the number of tests lol. Also if you mention that the combined pneumonia and flu deaths that declined 98% in 2020 from 2018 roughly equaled the amount of Covid deaths, you get shut down quick.
Back on January 6th, did they ever arrest ray epps?

 

[Trotsky's Specter]

This morning, the World Socialist Web Site published a perspective on Biden’s Thursday speech. While not naming the failed coup of January 6, the perspective may offer insight into subsequent conditions. I prepared the following summary of the WSWS overview of Biden's Thursday speech:

Having preached ‘bi-partisanship’ and a ‘strong’ GOP, Biden warns that a distinctive form of US fascism is a serious threat. Blaming Trump voters for nearing dictatorship, he offered gnostic, moralistic platitudes cast in ‘semi-infantile oratory’ for which electing Democrats is the solution. This was not explained from history, economics or politics. He did not say why 74M [including many proletarians], backed Trump. He made no mention of economic or class interests, or of corporate/fiscal rule over both parties. Nor was the contradiction of ‘anti-Establishment’ demagogy and Trump’s ruling-class support indicated.

This morning’s piece explained what might be called a malevolent, bi-partisan symbiosis:

‘The Republicans have been able to build up broader support only because the Democratic Party has rejected all measures that have anything to do with improving the conditions of the working class. It is a party of Wall Street and the military, mobilizing behind it sections of the upper middle class based on racial and gender politics. Since coming to power, Biden has pursued, in all its essentials, the same policy as the Republicans, including on the pandemic.’

The perspective continues:

‘The danger of a fascistic dictatorship is ongoing ... The threat of dictatorship is rooted, fundamentally, in…’

‘1) the objective crisis of American capitalism and the decline of its global supremacy;

2) the intensification of economic exploitation and, as a consequence, the extreme growth of social inequality;’

3) the systematic suppression of social struggles by the working class; and

4) the 30 years of uninterrupted war which, since Biden came to power, has developed into a direct confrontation with Russia and China.’

And it adds that:

‘Trillions of dollars in military expenditures to prepare for World War III leaves nothing for essential social programs. The escalation toward all-out war requires the escalation toward dictatorship.’

Rooted in ongoing, historical/political/economic crises, the impetus which drove the January 6 failed coup remains intact. So Biden is not wrong to speak of ongoing crisis; but he is utterly opposed to uniting and leading the one force which can end it.

That task therefore falls to the working class, which is the 90%.

Source: Biden's Speech and the Danger of Fascism in America

For more on the WSWS [International Committee of the Fourth International] perspective on the January 6 coup.

– Trotsky’s Specter –

 

[Jabberwocky]

This morning, the World Socialist Web Site published a perspective on Biden’s Thursday speech. While not naming the failed coup of January 6, the perspective may offer insight into subsequent conditions. I prepared the following summary of the WSWS overview of Biden's Thursday speech:

Having preached ‘bi-partisanship’ and a ‘strong’ GOP, Biden warns that a distinctive form of US fascism is a serious threat. Blaming Trump voters for nearing dictatorship, he offered gnostic, moralistic platitudes cast in ‘semi-infantile oratory’ for which electing Democrats is the solution. This was not explained from history, economics or politics. He did not say why 74M [including many proletarians], backed Trump. He made no mention of economic or class interests, or of corporate/fiscal rule over both parties. Nor was the contradiction of ‘anti-Establishment’ demagogy and Trump’s ruling-class support indicated.

This morning’s piece explained what might be called a malevolent, bi-partisan symbiosis:



The perspective continues:



Rooted in ongoing, historical/political/economic crises, the impetus which drove the January 6 failed coup remains intact. So Biden is not wrong to speak of ongoing crisis; but he is utterly opposed to uniting and leading the one force which can end it.

That task therefore falls to the working class, which is the 90%.

Source: Biden's Speech and the Danger of Fascism in America

For more on the WSWS [International Committee of the Fourth International] perspective on the January 6 coup.

– Trotsky’s Specter –

Very fair and well written opinion which is quite refreshing these days in a sea of maddening propagandized media.

The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that Trump gained support because the Dems ignore the working class. I believe both sides ignore the working class and cater to the rich as two sides of the very same coin. Trump made quite a few promises to aid the working class and ultimately failed to do so, unless we want to count the incredibly small amount of Americans who work in the fossil fuel industry, which is a miniscule fraction of the working class, maybe 0.1% I'd guess. In reality all his policies did was make fossil fuel barons richer and simply allowed their workers to keep their jobs. Consolation prize? Not to mention Trump's healthcare bill, which he touted as tax cuts to the middle class... when in reality it was one of the biggest transfers of wealth from poor to rich in American history and was a blatant lie.

Both sides make promises to aid the working class, and both ultimately always fail to do so.

In my opinion the only reasons Trump gained so much popularity are due to psychological conditions of the masses , not political. I think we need to expand on politics and look at psychology and how people react to a talking head on television beyond what political promises they make. I've always been curious why psychological manipulation is always left out of political discussion (or is it inherently included yet unspoken?).

- Just my uneducated 2 cents, but thanks for that article, it's well done.

 

[Jerry Atrick]

This morning, the World Socialist Web Site published a perspective on Biden’s Thursday speech. While not naming the failed coup of January 6, the perspective may offer insight into subsequent conditions. I prepared the following summary of the WSWS overview of Biden's Thursday speech:

Having preached ‘bi-partisanship’ and a ‘strong’ GOP, Biden warns that a distinctive form of US fascism is a serious threat. Blaming Trump voters for nearing dictatorship, he offered gnostic, moralistic platitudes cast in ‘semi-infantile oratory’ for which electing Democrats is the solution. This was not explained from history, economics or politics. He did not say why 74M [including many proletarians], backed Trump. He made no mention of economic or class interests, or of corporate/fiscal rule over both parties. Nor was the contradiction of ‘anti-Establishment’ demagogy and Trump’s ruling-class support indicated.

This morning’s piece explained what might be called a malevolent, bi-partisan symbiosis:



The perspective continues:



Rooted in ongoing, historical/political/economic crises, the impetus which drove the January 6 failed coup remains intact. So Biden is not wrong to speak of ongoing crisis; but he is utterly opposed to uniting and leading the one force which can end it.

That task therefore falls to the working class, which is the 90%.

Source: Biden's Speech and the Danger of Fascism in America

For more on the WSWS [International Committee of the Fourth International] perspective on the January 6 coup.

– Trotsky’s Specter –

While this opinion of his speech is well written and somewhat grounded in reality, I'm always wary of people basing their opinions on secondhand information. Essentially, you are merely regurgitating what someone else thought of his speech.

My question is, did you watch it? What do you think about it?

I watched his speech and I thought he eloquently got his point across that MAGAt republicans are doing everything they can to undermine democracy. I know Biden ran on a platform of "uniting" and "reaching across the aisle" but what good does that do when each time he attempts to reach across the aisle, all he gets is a stinkfist from the right? The republicans certainly aren't doing any reaching, that's for sure. Why must the burden of compromise always rest with the left?

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Here's an excerpt from last Fridays speech where he talks about unity by calling those who disagree with his platform by claiming that they are threats to democracy !

This is a really compelling speech that will certainly "unite" all Americans.

Or does it?

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Democracy is dead

 

[Burnt Offerings]

The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that Trump gained support because the Dems ignore the working class. I believe both sides ignore the working class and cater to the rich as two sides of the very same coin. Trump made quite a few promises to aid the working class and ultimately failed to do so, unless we want to count the incredibly small amount of Americans who work in the fossil fuel industry, which is a miniscule fraction of the working class, maybe 0.1% I'd guess. In reality all his policies did was make fossil fuel barons richer and simply allowed their workers to keep their jobs. Consolation prize? Not to mention Trump's healthcare bill, which he touted as tax cuts to the middle class... when in reality it was one of the biggest transfers of wealth from poor to rich in American history and was a blatant lie.

Both sides make promises to aid the working class, and both ultimately always fail to do so.

In my opinion the only reasons Trump gained so much popularity are due to psychological conditions of the masses , not political. I think we need to expand on politics and look at psychology and how people react to a talking head on television beyond what political promises they make. I've always been curious why psychological manipulation is always left out of political discussion (or is it inherently included yet unspoken?).

- Just my uneducated 2 cents, but thanks for that article, it's well done.

I don't think that it's any surprise there, regarding Biden's policies.

Again, sometimes I think it's more useful not to look at "left vs. right", but rather at "establishment vs. anti-establishment". In that analysis, Biden has been firmly in the camp of the establishment throughout his entire political career, from his time as a senator to his time as Obama's VP. So it should be no surprise that he wouldn't want to offend capital imo

That's interesting, re: psychological conditions of the masses/mass politics/"crowd psychology". Back in the day (like the time of OG fascism lol) it was quite a popular interpretation actually, Gustav Le Bon's work re: crowds. In some of the memoirs of Hitler's followers, they say that he could read the "temperature" of a crowd he'd be speaking in front of, just had some kind of innate knowledge and understanding of what they'd respond to, how to really rile them up and lead them with his demagogic power. I think that Trump had that same power, personally. I'm not saying "oh Trump is Hitler, Trump bad, Hitler bad!", I'm merely saying here how they both just had a natural political and communications ability. He's genuinely talented when it comes to this kind of thing, that's why no one else on the right has been able to capture Trump's "magic", despite how they often times try to ape or mimic him, like "oh yeah I'll just shit on the libtard snowflakes a bunch, and just be as edgy and loudly ignorant and bellicose as I possibly can, and THEN people will like me, just like Trump!" But it just comes off as pathetic and a shallow imitation, because they don't have "it"

Talent alone isn't enough for success though. When Hitler was just a bum in Vienna, or in a barracks in WW1, no one took his rantings seriously. They just shrugged him off and said oh don't mind Hitler, he's just a harmless lunatic. It took the national trauma of WW1, and subsequent events, before he realized that the public mood aligned perfectly with his political beliefs and ability. It's the same way with Trump imo...in another, better world, he'd be dismissed as just a crass, reactionary rich guy. Those people have always existed and will likely always exist. It took a special kind of failure on the part of, I hate to say it, but "The Establishment", to address the challenges that many ordinary people faced...and a public who was primed for the kind of ridicule that Trump could deliver to an assortment of establishment figures, first within the Republican party and then later against his opponent Hilary Clinton, perhaps the ultimate "establishment figure". They were ready to just heap endless abuse upon the hated oligarchy, and who can blame em

That's why I've always been frustrated by the idea that Trump's following was just based on pure bigotry. Sure, I have no doubt that many of his supporters were actual bigots and racists (because I've met many of them lol) but if you take that interpretation, there's really no need to change or reform anything...he election was merely the an aberration of some white supremacists and bigots, nothing to see here folks...whereas they prepared the ground for somebody like Trump's arrival for decades, as they moved more towards a party for the class interests of upper-middle class professionals from the 'burbs and some of the more "progressive" members of the elite. The Democratic party has always been a capitalist party, however they did have to make meaningful concessions to the working class at one time, simply because members of the organized working class constituted part of the coalition they needed in order to win elections. Now they don't even bother with any of that crap

 

[Electrum1]

eloquently

You gotta be trolling or hallucinating or something to call that speech eloquent

The most domestically divisive speech probably ever given by a U.S. President

A speech where he calls ~half of U.S. voters extremists and threats to democracy, for VOTING the "wrong" way

while giving that speech in front of a Hitleresque background

ON the ANNIVERSARY of Hitler's 1939 Reichstag speech that started WW2

Even WaPo said it was bad, then Biden spent two days backtracking, lol

I'm starting to believe you would be genuinely happy to see people you politically disagree with die in concentration camps because of so called "Democracy"

How eloquent

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Yea I’m wondering if we all watched the same speech ? Or was there a special frequency only the left could tune into ?

 

[Trotsky's Specter]

Very fair and well written opinion which is quite refreshing these days in a sea of maddening propagandized media.

The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that Trump gained support because the Dems ignore the working class. I believe both sides ignore the working class and cater to the rich as two sides of the very same coin. Trump made quite a few promises to aid the working class and ultimately failed to do so, unless we want to count the incredibly small amount of Americans who work in the fossil fuel industry, which is a miniscule fraction of the working class, maybe 0.1% I'd guess. In reality all his policies did was make fossil fuel barons richer and simply allowed their workers to keep their jobs. Consolation prize? Not to mention Trump's healthcare bill, which he touted as tax cuts to the middle class... when in reality it was one of the biggest transfers of wealth from poor to rich in American history and was a blatant lie.

Both sides make promises to aid the working class, and both ultimately always fail to do so.

In my opinion the only reasons Trump gained so much popularity are due to psychological conditions of the masses , not political. I think we need to expand on politics and look at psychology and how people react to a talking head on television beyond what political promises they make. I've always been curious why psychological manipulation is always left out of political discussion (or is it inherently included yet unspoken?).

- Just my uneducated 2 cents, but thanks for that article, it's well done.

Snafu in the Void:

Thank-you for your reply.

You wrote:

'The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that Trump gained support because the Dems ignore the working class. I believe both sides ignore the working class and cater to the rich as two sides of the very same coin.'

I reply:

I see only agreement. The WSWS routinely acknowledges that ‘both sides ignore the working class and cater to the rich.’ With somewhat differing terms, I said as much on my first Bluelight post. I wrote:

‘I would say the parties are completely controlled by the interests of the economic classes they represent. Otherwise put, each section of the ruling class has its “party.”’

I continued saying that the ownership [of factories, fields, forests, mines, logistics/communication/energy companies, etc.] class accounts for 1% of the population and is represented by one party [the GOP], while the banking/investment/finance class [the Next 9% after the top 1%] also has its party [the Democratic Party].

The key issue: ‘the 90% [working class] has zero political representation. It can only opt for the 1% or Next 9%.’ Under Capitalism, the ONLY political options acceptable to the US ruling class are those supported by the 1% or Next 9%. ‘The 1% and Next 9% compete together to divide the spoils produced by the 90%.’ So, until the 90% forges its own program and party, and forces itself directly into the stream of political events, nothing will change.

Where you deviate from the WSWS line is on the ‘psychological conditions of the masses’ as an explanation of Trump’s popularity. I think that further reflection will likely alter your view. It is certainly true that great swathes of people feel disillusioned, isolated and powerlessness. But the critical point, Snafu in the Void, is that very real, material conditions are directly responsible for the confusion and disorientation of the US working class.

Since the PATCO union [Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization] betrayed their membership in '81, there has been no leadership for a mass workers' movement. An entire generation of young adults cannot recall when the US was not at war. Wages, pensions and living standards erode. Education, health care and infrastructure are abandoned. Mass shootings occur near daily. Pandemics rage. Inflation rises, Police slay 1000+ annually [often unarmed/mentally ill]. And the mantra continues -- there is no money to address any of these. Yet endless money is available immediately for weapons systems.

IF democrats implemented a true, working-class program, the US fascist movement would collapse overnight. But people know that the attacks on the working class are decades long and cross successive administrations whatever their colors. That is crucial: it is ONLY in the ABSENCE of a genuinely workers' program that narcissistic megalomaniacs and demagogues such as Donald Trump can have any appeal.

The US fascist movement is the totally unworthy recipient of widespread outrage/disillusionment at ongoing, systemic crises for none of which either party has even one, solitary solution to offer! The entire official, political spectrum has abandoned the US working class [the 90%] to its own destiny, and workers know it! Recognition and these conditions is leading to a rising wave of global worker resistance and strike waves. Proletarians are about done with this.

Leon Trotsky pointed out that the very conditions which drive the ruling classes to repress their respective populations also create the conditions for resistance to their rule and the overthrow of Kapital. In the US -- the very center of world Capitalism, the ground is shaking beneath our feet. And for all he justifiably detests and fears Trump, President Biden if far, far more fearful of a rising worker class devoted to an independent global worker program.

– Trotsky’s Specter –

 

[Trotsky's Specter]

While this opinion of his speech is well written and somewhat grounded in reality, I'm always wary of people basing their opinions on secondhand information. Essentially, you are merely regurgitating what someone else thought of his speech.

My question is, did you watch it? What do you think about it?

I watched his speech and I thought he eloquently got his point across that MAGAt republicans are doing everything they can to undermine democracy. I know Biden ran on a platform of "uniting" and "reaching across the aisle" but what good does that do when each time he attempts to reach across the aisle, all he gets is a stinkfist from the right? The republicans certainly aren't doing any reaching, that's for sure. Why must the burden of compromise always rest with the left?

Thank-you, Jerry Atrick, for the reply:

In answer to your first, no. I did not take in President Biden’s Philadelphia speech. But as ‘regurgitation’ is what summaries do, thank-you for affirming the accuracy with which I promoted the recent WSWS 'perspectives' piece.

In reply to the your second,

Re: MAGA Republicans are ‘doing everything they can to undermine democracy…’

Agreed!

Re: Biden ran on a platform of ‘uniting’ and ‘reaching across the aisle…’

Agreed!

Re: What good does that do when … he gets a stinkfist from the right…’

Precisely! And yet he pretends that there is a rational GOP basis to which to appeal!

Re: The Republicans certainly aren’t doing any reaching…’

Addressed with reference to my previous point.

Re: Why must the burden of compromise always rest with the left?

Precisely! If ‘compromise’ shifts the spectrum ONLY rightward, WHY seek it at all? Why not fight the fascism?

That last point is telling since some have called for this all along.

Indeed, the WSWS addressed Trump’s attempted coup the day electors met to do their work! Note:

‘Today’s vote, however, takes place under conditions of an active and ongoing effort by President Donald Trump to stage a coup d’état, nullify the results of the election and establish a presidential dictatorship.’

And also on that same day, Martin and North published a second piece demanding, ‘Remove coup plotter Trump immediately!’

Moreover, the following day, January 7, 2021, North published yet another piece, ‘the fascist coup of January 6.’

Among many devastating points, North stated that ‘appeals for “unity” with the conspirators clear the path for the next effort to carry out a fascist coup d’état.’ Noting the pathetic failure of top Democrats to offer any condemnation of the attempted coup, North also wrote:

‘Biden concluded his remarks with the following clarion call. “So, President Trump, step up.” This bankrupt appeal to the would-be fascist dictator will go down in history as Biden’s “Hitler, do the right thing” speech.’ ... ‘continuing reference by the Democrats to their “Republican colleagues” is itself a mockery of democracy.

Of Trump’s co-conspirators, North wrote: ‘Republican senators and congressmen involved in the conspiracy must be likewise removed from the Senate and Congress, arrested, placed on trial and sent to prison.’

The WSWS has made numerous such statements. Even the previous year the WSWS had already demanded Trump’s immediate removal after agents snatched Seattle protesters. Nothing like this has been forthcoming from Biden or his Democrats.

Far from uniting the working class to take decisive, principled action to counter the fascist menace, Biden’s administration allowed a fascist movement to metastasize further and grow into the mass movement the WSWS consistently warned that it would become. Indeed last Tuesday, Eric London was able to write that ‘Nineteen months after January 6, Biden discovers the threat of fascism.'

North's January 7 piece stated: ‘in any event, the policies of the Biden administration, which will pursue policies set by Wall Street and the military, will perpetuate and escalate the anger and frustration exploited by the fascists.’ I can't help but think, Jerry Atrick, that your citation of Biden’s remark that Republicans do ‘everything they can to undermine democracy’ is, in fact, complete vindication of Cde North’s words.

– Trotsky’s Specter –

Edit: Correct a quotation

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

What is Biden's end goal here? He's not convincing anyone to join the other side, that's for sure. Why? Legit question.

Socialist parties around the world (real ones, not the ones indistinguishable from liberals) try to do this by showing that there's legitimately another way. Doesn't seem to me that the Democrats offer any viable alternative, and it sure doesn't help that their whole identity seems to be based on calling millions of others deluded racists. So yeah, how are you getting out of this?

 

[Jabberwocky]

What is Biden's end goal here? He's not convincing anyone to join the other side, that's for sure. Why? Legit question

Democrats have been upset that Biden hasn't taken a tougher stance or rhetoric against MAGA. My guess was it was some attempt at doing that. Trying to look like he isn't a dried out pancake on the floor which he hasn't been hiding very well.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

IF democrats implemented a true, working-class program, the US fascist movement would collapse overnight. But people know that the attacks on the working class are decades long and cross successive administrations whatever their colors. That is crucial: it is ONLY in the ABSENCE of a genuinely workers' program that narcissistic megalomaniacs and demagogues such as Donald Trump can have any appeal.

How does that final sentence square with the reality of the rise of fascism in the "classical fascist" regimes of Italy and Germany, both of which had large and vibrant left-wing movements prior to the arrival of Italian Fascism and German Nazism?

The KPD (communist party) pretty much continually expanded its voter base prior to Nazi Germany, and reached its electoral high-water mark in the last free election of the Weimar Republic, at the end of 1932. So in that case you had a worker's program being advocated for by an actual communist party, and yet the fascists still took power. (Trotskyists would probably blame this on Stalin's influence in the KPD, but the point is that pro-working class reform was being advocated for by a left-wing movement in Germany which, taken together, was always larger than the vote share captured by the Nazis, and yet that didn't stop them from taking power. To reduce all of this to the influence of one man, Stalin, seems reductionist to me and almost like an inverted "great man" theories of history that left-wingers like to disparage)

Leon Trotsky pointed out that the very conditions which drive the ruling classes to repress their respective populations also create the conditions for resistance to their rule and the overthrow of Kapital. In the US -- the very center of world Capitalism, the ground is shaking beneath our feet. And for all he justifiably detests and fears Trump, President Biden if far, far more fearful of a rising worker class devoted to an independent global worker program.

– Trotsky’s Specter –

Trotsky got stuff wrong too...his agreement with the official line of fascism being "capitalism in decay" is case-in-point imo

 

[Jerry Atrick]

You gotta be trolling or hallucinating or something to call that speech eloquent

The most domestically divisive speech probably ever given by a U.S. President

A speech where he calls ~half of U.S. voters extremists and threats to democracy, for VOTING the "wrong" way

while giving that speech in front of a Hitleresque background

ON the ANNIVERSARY of Hitler's 1939 Reichstag speech that started WW2

Even WaPo said it was bad, then Biden spent two days backtracking, lol

I'm starting to believe you would be genuinely happy to see people you politically disagree with die in concentration camps because of so called "Democracy"

How eloquent

Divisive you say? Have you slept through all of Trump's divisive tweets and speeches during the past 6 years? Unlike any other prez, he started campaigning for re-election practically the day after he was elected. I guess you haven't paid attention to his dozens if not hundreds of divisive speeches? Maybe you're the one who's trolling or just in denial.

Don't talk to me about concentration camps. The nazis aren't even trying to hide it anymore, they're even selling their flags alongside Trump flags outside of his rallies

Admit it, you Trumpers are just butthurt that Biden gave back a taste of Trump's own medicine.

And I stand by my eloquent statement. For being so senile and decrepit, he didn't have any gaffes, mispronounce anything, or read the wrong words on the teleprompter. I think he did a good job of getting his point across that MAGAt republicans, not all republicans, are a threat to democracy. Sorry if you were offended by that but like they say, the guilty cry the loudest.

 

[Jerry Atrick]

Here's an excerpt from last Fridays speech where he talks about unity by calling those who disagree with his platform by claiming that they are threats to democracy !

This is a really compelling speech that will certainly "unite" all Americans.

Or does it?

The news commentator incorrectly asserts (~1:00) that the speech alienated MAGA republicans who are caught between two ends of the political spectrum. Sorry, there is nothing centrist about MAGA repubs. They have proven over and over again that they are extremists who will stop at nothing to keep their messiah in power.

The guest (~3:55) stated something about democracy is for everyone, not just people who vote the way we like. IMHO the hypocrisy is astounding that Trump followers not only invaded the capitol but have spent 2 years still arguing that he won the election. The guest is openly projecting conservative talking points onto Biden as if Trump and his cronies accepted his election loss quietly. Trump hasn't even conceded his loss yet ffs.

This newscast, regardless of being Australian, is clearly right wing biased no different than Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.

Once again, we have some news show's opinion of the speech with less than a full minute of the actual speech played back. C'mon CK, I wanna hear what you think about the speech. It's only 25 minutes long. I'm not saying it will change your mind or opinion about anything but at least it won't be some talking head's regurgitation telling us what they want us to think about it.