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That is child abuse.

of course it is.

I think the point some are trying to make is that if you keep pushing the envelope and don't draw a line in the sand you will be opening up space for the weirdos to step in.

an educational discussion of sex at age 12 is perfectly reasonable. Pushing the idea that it's okay to chat with kids about random sexual topics is not. Much less taking them to pride parades or drag shows.
 
of course it is.

I think the point some are trying to make is that if you keep pushing the envelope and don't draw a line in the sand you will be opening up space for the weirdos to step in.

an educational discussion of sex at age 12 is perfectly reasonable. Pushing the idea that it's okay to chat with kids about random sexual topics is not. Much less taking them to pride parades or drag shows.
Predators will always find their way closer to kids and push as far as they can, that’s why they are predators
 
Not in and of themselves. A man dressing as a woman is not sexual, it's just clothes.

Thats not what drag shows are. Drag queens are meant to be overly sexualized parodies of women. Until like, five minutes ago, drag shows were in adult night clubs/bars etc .

It IS sexual. Remember "it's not going to lick itself" ? Yeah.

To any of you straights out there who think you are being "Allies" for supporting this shit, you aren't. This is just perpetuating the stereotype that homosexuals are pedophiles. Most of us aren't. Most of us don't want children anywhere near a drag show.
 
I'm sorry but this thread is the first time I've heard that there is a stereotype that homosexuals people are pedos, everyone I know irl that is "against" them is just conservative and thinks that it's not normal and not the way the world should be. Is this something seen on social media or something because I've never heard or saw people with the opinion gays are pedos. Sorry if this comes of as rude I'm just curious.
 
I had a feeling there was a communication error and that in most of the English speaking world, "Year 7" is a reference to what an American would call "7th grade" (we Americans love our ordinals, like how we say dates: tomorrow is August 15th in the U.S., not 15 August).

On the topic of drag shows, the content of these shows is only intended for mature audiences. It's not exactly like taking a child to a strip club, but it's not super far from this either and sometimes will occur in this same venue. Moreover, the humor is not suitable for kids, and audience members are not going to feel comfortable with a kid in the crowd. I've seen stand-up comedy shows where for some reason someone is there with a young pre-teen and it screwed up the performer and killed the comedy mood in the room. It was unexpected and the comics weren't prepared with kid-friendly material and ultimately they were asked to leave.

In either instance, would it ruin a kid's mind? Probably not, but it's still not okay. It's inappropriate, bad parenting, a poor decision on the part of the venue, rude to the paying audience members, and rude to the performers for whom—no matter anyone's opinion of the material—a lot of valuable preparation, thought, practice, and time has been invested. And seeing as how these are paid shows, this is a professional event, and as such—plus considering alcohol is usually being sold—minors would almost always be excluded from attendance.
 
Ok, that makes a lot more sense. I agree, if there ever was a child in these venues, I don't think it would be because the planners, performers, etc, are pedophiles, but rather because the person taking the child is a bad parent/guardian for doing so. I mean, I'm pretty young and if my mother, father, or older sibling was going to take me to a drag show, or any other adult-themed venue/event, I would be concerned for them because that is a "What the fuck??" move. Even with the communication error of 7 year olds vs 7th grade, I don't think anyone under 18 should be present at these events. Thank you for clarifying.
 
I'm sorry but this thread is the first time I've heard that there is a stereotype that homosexuals people are pedos, everyone I know irl that is "against" them is just conservative and thinks that it's not normal and not the way the world should be. Is this something seen on social media or something because I've never heard or saw people with the opinion gays are pedos. Sorry if this comes of as rude I'm just curious.

Well, I would say if you are a millennial or older living in the United States, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Yes, gay men especially were often viewed as sexual deviants and pedophiles. We had to fight this perception, and we basically won. Got marriage equality, got rid of Don't ask Don't tell, etc.

Then all of a sudden we decided that wasnt enough. We got bored and decided we wanted to be associated with child drag queens.
 
Ok, that makes a lot more sense. I agree, if there ever was a child in these venues, I don't think it would be because the planners, performers, etc, are pedophiles, but rather because the person taking the child is a bad parent/guardian for doing so. I mean, I'm pretty young and if my mother, father, or older sibling was going to take me to a drag show, or any other adult-themed venue/event, I would be concerned for them because that is a "What the fuck??" move. Even with the communication error of 7 year olds vs 7th grade, I don't think anyone under 18 should be present at these events. Thank you for clarifying.

i was saying that ignorant people used to demonize ordinary homosexuals as pedophiles. We fought against that. And now some have decided to erase all that progress we made and start wearing drag to the public library story time.
 
Well, I would say if you are a millennial or older living in the United States
Ok, this makes a lot more sense. I'm younger than that, and as such never heard the pedophilia part of homophobia, most people are fine with it and those that aren't say they are either unholy or just simply "worthless fags", but don't bring up pedophilia. It's interesting considering those that turned out to be actual child molesters and the sort were the ones that tried to, anyone with half a brain could tell they were messed up in the head though, appear the straightest and/or "most normal" (if that's even a thing in today's world).
 
I went to a drag show in Sydney and there was no nudity just some rude jokes, most of which were implied. I don't think my daughter (at 4 years old) would understand any of it. She'd just like the spectacle and the songs. I honestly don't see the harm at all, but then - clearly - I have a more relaxed attitude towards parenting than some of you guys. I don't see the harm of a teenager seeing a drag show either. Maybe it would be confusing for a kid at a certain (?) age but I'm not sure why or what that age is.

I've heard of gay guys being compared to pedos before but never encountered it IRL. I think the logic is something along the lines of: homosexuality is a deviation from the norm therefore they are more likely to deviate in other directions and abuse children, etc. Fear mongering. Once you cross that line, everything becomes blurred. Obviously this is nonsense.

There is genuine concern about the trans movement when kids are being given hormone blockers. I think most people agree on this, including a lot of trans people. We shouldn't be experimenting on or sexualizing kids. In the context of this systemic rampant child abuse, drag queens don't even blip on my radar.

@mal3volent

Didn't you say in another thread that it's traumatic for a child to see an adult man's penis?
 
Because the meaning of life is to procreate, being gay means that you can't procreate, therefor you're disabled. It might not be a good idea to encourage people to remain disabled and proud of their disability.

People have gender dysphoria, they don't like themselves and see gender transitions are a way to fix that. Their solution is to mutilate their body and inhibit their ability to reproduce. A better solution would be to take gender affirming hormones and work towards being a better member of their sex, instead of trying to transition into a different gender. The trans movement, to me, is akin to telling a suicidal person to kill themselves instead of improve their life.

In the same way we shouldn't discriminate against people in wheel chairs, we shouldn't discriminate against gay and trans people, but it's important to keep in mind that they're disabilities and should be attempted to be overcome instead of using them as a crutch to explain away an individuals disability.

Most gay people are gay as a result of hormone imbalances in the womb, these can be overcome with hormone injections, and can be prevented, but not if we keep romanticizing these disabilities.

I remember being a mentally ill loser when I was younger, I had zero testosterone and often related more with women than men, and was very suicidal. If the trans movement was around back then, I'd likely have transitioned into a women in my teen years. Instead I just worked on myself and got to the point where I felt like a man, and I'm glad that I did. I feel bad for the children out there who hate themselves and see transitioning as a way to fix that, they're being permanently robbed of a decent life with this false promise of an easy fix.

I understand what I've said is extremely controversial and will make people angry but it's the truth as far as I know.
 
you can't procreate, therefor you're disabled
In this world, why does that have to be a disability though? Less people being able to procreate = less people born = less stupid people born = a good thing. Maybe I'm just young and dumb, but I think there is a lot of idiots in the world, and it wouldn't be too bad to cull them down.
 
Because the meaning of life is to procreate, being gay means that you can't procreate, therefor you're disabled. It might not be a good idea to encourage people to remain disabled and proud of their disability.

People have gender dysphoria, they don't like themselves and see gender transitions are a way to fix that. Their solution is to mutilate their body and inhibit their ability to reproduce. A better solution would be to take gender affirming hormones and work towards being a better member of their sex, instead of trying to transition into a different gender. The trans movement, to me, is akin to telling a suicidal person to kill themselves instead of improve their life.

In the same way we shouldn't discriminate against people in wheel chairs, we shouldn't discriminate against gay and trans people, but it's important to keep in mind that they're disabilities and should be attempted to be overcome instead of using them as a crutch to explain away an individuals disability.

Most gay people are gay as a result of hormone imbalances in the womb, these can be overcome with hormone injections, and can be prevented, but not if we keep romanticizing these disabilities.

I remember being a mentally ill loser when I was younger, I had zero testosterone and often related more with women than men, and was very suicidal. If the trans movement was around back then, I'd likely have transitioned into a women in my teen years. Instead I just worked on myself and got to the point where I felt like a man, and I'm glad that I did. I feel bad for the children out there who hate themselves and see transitioning as a way to fix that, they're being permanently robbed of a decent life with this false promise of an easy fix.

I understand what I've said is extremely controversial and will make people angry but it's the truth as far as I know.

can I see your sources for "most gay people are gay as a result of hormone imbalances in the womb" ?
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