Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

[PtahTek]

why stop a war when you can make money selling guns?

I now this is their point of view (by "they" I mean those who deal in weapons) it is highly profitable and our leaders have the monopoly whether above board or not. Not likely to go away... as drugs, sex and other forms of violence.
Trafficking in firearms/weapons is big business. We do not think all these weapon systems are given away out of a kind and free spirit...? I know better. Just sayin.

 

[maassive]

We do not think all these weapon systems are given away out of a kind and free spirit...? I know better. Just sayin.

Tell that to people being genocided because they don't have enough weapons to defend themselves.

 

[Electrum1]

Tell that to people being genocided because they don't have enough weapons to defend themselves.

Well, these weapons are already showing up for sale in Syria on the darkweb.

Only a matter of time before they make their way further west

Arms sent to Ukraine will end up in criminal hands, says Interpol chief

Jürgen Stock urges members to cooperate on arms tracing as weapons will flood hidden economy when war ends

www.theguardian.com

 

[maassive]

Well, these weapons are already showing up for sale in Syria on the darkweb.

Javelins are useless without the command launch unit, so jokes on you if you actually bought that.

 

[Electrum1]

Javelins are useless without the command launch unit, so jokes on you if you actually bought that.

Well then, go ahead and ignore what the chief of Interpol says

Jürgen Stock says once the conflict ends, a wave of guns and heavy arms will flood the international market and he urged Interpol’s member states, especially those supplying weapons, to cooperate on arms tracing.

We can expect an influx of weapons in Europe and beyond. We should be alarmed and we have to expect these weapons to be trafficked not only to neighbouring countries but to other continents

 

[maassive]

Well then, go ahead and ignore what the chief of Interpol says

you can blame a certain mafia state with nuclear weapons that are perpetrating genocide and ethnic cleaning for that... unless you're a fucking pychopath

 

[maassive]

I can understand post cold war mentality where countries like the baltics and others joined NATO in fear of Russia, sure. But places like Slovenia, Croatia, Bulgary, Albania, Spain, Portugal?

All those places never had a problem with Russia and now there are russian nukes pointing at their fucking cities. What kind of " security policy" is that, man?

Never had a problem with Russia? You do realize that all of Eastern Europe was under the control of the USSR. The same USSR that executed literally millions of people for political dissent and imprisoned or exiled millions more?

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to be protected from Russia? The same Russia that invaded Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968 , Chechnya in 1996, Georgia in 2008, and Ukraine in 2014.

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to join NATO? Fuck. outa. here

 

[Pickledlemons]

Never had a problem with Russia? You do realize that all of Eastern Europe was under the control of the USSR. The same USSR that executed literally millions of people for political dissent and imprisoned or exiled millions more?

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to be protected from Russia? The same Russia that invaded Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968 , Chechnya in 1996, Georgia in 2008, and Ukraine in 2014.

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to join NATO? Fuck. outa. here

Don't forget Stalin also intentionally starved 4 million Ukrainians to death.

 

[hylite]

They forget.

 

[Señor Moreno]

Never had a problem with Russia? You do realize that all of Eastern Europe was under the control of the USSR. The same USSR that executed literally millions of people for political dissent and imprisoned or exiled millions more?

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to be protected from Russia? The same Russia that invaded Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968 , Chechnya in 1996, Georgia in 2008, and Ukraine in 2014.

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to join NATO? Fuck. outa. here

Oh yes? Portugal and Spain had been invaded by Russia? Slovenia and Croatia, former parts of Yugoslavia, wich was the leader of not aligned? Albania, wich broke with Moskow in 1953, perhaps?

Do you remember the 8/8/2008 war in Georgia? Do you remember Georgia, after Bush jr. gave the ok to Shakasvilli, striked first and bombed russian civilians in South Osetia? Didn't you know that, CNN didn't tell you?? Very strange...

If your anger (or ignorance) allows you to carefully read my post, I started it by stating that I can fully understand why some countries want to join NATO, because Russia is, was or can be a danger for them.

All I now is I was born in a neutral country and now, thanks to NATO, we had fucking russians nukes pointing at us.

On a side note, you wrote down 5 countries invaded by Ussr. If you were to name all the countries fucked by US/ NATO you would need a little more time

I won't because, personally, I don't give a crawling shit about Russia, NATO, or heroic internet warriors.

By the way, telling people with different ideas to yours to " fuck outta here", 100% shows what kind of freedom lover you are.

 

[Señor Moreno]

Don't forget Stalin also intentionally starved 4 million Ukrainians to death.

100% true. They called it Holodomor, it was horrible. And, as you know, Stalin was a communist soviet but not a russian.

It happened in 1930s. Few years later ukrainians also killed polish and jews. Everybody was killing each other during those years in Europe. By the millions. It seems like we only have Stalin and Hitler to blame, but it is not like that. They were the main bastards, but everybody tried to take advantage over their neighbours once the shit started.

But we are living in 2022.

Problem comes from fucking communist age. They never had to use the former inner borders of the soviet republics as the modern borders between independent states. They were better of paying some attention to the ethnic landscapes of each place and design more sensible borders, attending the very complex reality of those territories.

Understanding East Europe's History and current situation reading west media is like pretending to learn african politics by watching Tarzan movies.

 

[Pickledlemons]

100% true. They called it Holodomor, it was horrible. And, as you know, Stalin was a communist soviet but not a russian.

It happened in 1930s. Few years later ukrainians also killed polish and jews. Everybody was killing each other during those years in Europe. By the millions. It seems like we only have Stalin and Hitler to blame, but it is not like that. They were the main bastards, but everybody tried to take advantage over their neighbours once the shit started.

But we are living in 2022.

Problem comes from fucking communist age. They never had to use the former inner borders of the soviet republics as the modern borders between independent states. They were better of paying some attention to the ethnic landscapes of each place and design more sensible borders, attending the very complex reality of those territories.

Understanding East Europe's History and current situation reading west media is like pretending to learn african politics by watching Tarzan movies.

The context was, why eastern European countries want to join nato, and I'm sure things like this, almost still in living memory, play a pretty big role. Yeah, Stalin, he was Georgian, right? He was general secretary of the USSR and executed Russification programs in Ukraine... ( not for the first time ) so I don't see why where he was born matters here. As a side note, if you ever wondered why there's so many Russian speakers in Ukraine, thats a pretty big factor.

 

[thujone]

Never had a problem with Russia? You do realize that all of Eastern Europe was under the control of the USSR. The same USSR that executed literally millions of people for political dissent and imprisoned or exiled millions more?

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to be protected from Russia? The same Russia that invaded Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968 , Chechnya in 1996, Georgia in 2008, and Ukraine in 2014.

You're actually wondering why those nations would want to join NATO? Fuck. outa. here

It isn't that simple anymore. These states are aware that the West is becoming the new USSR and no longer trust the US and EU to be reliable allies.

That's why these countries have increasingly been turning East for economic ties - in the East they see viable economic partners who, for the time being, are not yet demanding culturally-significant concessions the way that the West has been, and with increasingly threatening tone.

NATO membership only helps the Eastern bloc as a deterrent. If it fails to deter then the countries will be ruined by war either way. May as well just placate whichever side is strongest and most likely to invade.

 

[Señor Moreno]

The context was, why eastern European countries want to join nato, and I'm sure things like this, almost still in living memory, play a pretty big role. Yeah, Stalin, he was Georgian, right? He was general secretary of the USSR and executed Russification programs in Ukraine... ( not for the first time ) so I don't see why where he was born matters here. As a side note, if you ever wondered why there's so many Russian speakers in Ukraine, thats a pretty big factor.

Again, please read my post.

I said I 100% understand why Poland, Baltics, Czech, Hungary... wanted to join NATO.

But I don't see why NATO had to expand to Albania, former Yugoslavia or even western countries like Portugal or Spain, all neutral places.... but the sad fact is being neutral is a risky game with the current mindset of "you are either with me or against me" that seems to rule now in the West. Or in Russia, for that matter.

We are being ruled by lies

Media are telling us Russia is economically broken and under total isolation in the world.
Facts are telling us russian currency is at its best when compared to last years, and few days ago, the presidents of Brazil, China, India, South Africa and others have been attending a meeting hosted by Putin. Being surrounded by the govmts of more than half of human population is not exactly being isolated, right?

Also, only God knows what kind of bullshit are the Kremlim media telling to the average russian dude.


The " russification" programs during USSR you talk about are a misunderstood subject. Stalin, no matter where he was from, wasn't a russian nationalist, none of the red leaders were. They were communist, and therefore they fighted the national ideas of every republic ( Russia included) as an antirevolutionary activity, nationalism was seen as a bourgoise nest for them. They saw themselves as soviets, not as russians, ukrainians, armenians or whatever
There is a Lenin's work, " About the problem of the nationalities" if you want to see how them soviets thought about the subject.

And, saying that the existance of millions of Russian speakers in Ukraine has something to do with Stalin is inaccurate, to say the very, very least.

 

[maassive]

Oh yes? Portugal and Spain had been invaded by Russia? Slovenia and Croatia, former parts of Yugoslavia, wich was the leader of not aligned? Albania, wich broke with Moskow in 1953, perhaps?

No shit sherlock that Spain and Portugala were not part of the Eastern Bloc. The others that you mentioned, were surely under the red terror:

Do you remember the 8/8/2008 war in Georgia? Do you remember Georgia, after Bush jr. gave the ok to Shakasvilli, striked first and bombed russian civilians in South Osetia? Didn't you know that, CNN didn't tell you?? Very strange...

Where else did Russia attack a soverign nation under the pretence of protecting russian speaking population? Anyone? anyone?

All I now is I was born in a neutral country and now, thanks to NATO, we had fucking russians nukes pointing at us.

You can thank fuck your neutral country is not located next to Russia, cos there's a good chance it would have been invaded by now.

On a side note, you wrote down 5 countries invaded by Ussr. If you were to name all the countries fucked by US/ NATO you would need a little more time

On a side note, only lazy russian shills and trolls bring up what the US did in history as an effort to justify the ongoing genocide.. just sayin'

 

[Señor Moreno]

No shit sherlock that Spain and Portugala were not part of the Eastern Bloc. The others that you mentioned, were surely under the red terror:

Where else did Russia attack a soverign nation under the pretence of protecting russian speaking population? Anyone? anyone?


You can thank fuck your neutral country is not located next to Russia, cos there's a good chance it would have been invaded by now.


On a side note, only lazy russian shills and trolls bring up what the US did in history as an effort to justify the ongoing genocide..

Ufffff boy, I am aging and I only take offenses from the mirror, but you can keep your ugly words for someone else. Maybe somebody in your town may find you to be a hard man.

But I was posting opinions in a site meant to be used by adults. Just saying

 

[Electrum1]

 

[maassive]

Ufffff boy, I am aging and I only take offenses from the mirror, but you can keep your ugly words for someone else. Maybe somebody in your town may find you to be a hard man.But I was posting opinions in a site meant to be used by adults. Just saying

If you getting offended at "no shit sherlock" then you're doing it wrong. Your opinions are shit too but feel free to change my mind.

 

[Señor Moreno]

If you getting offended at "no shit sherlock" then you're doing it wrong. Your opinions are shit too but feel free to change my mind.

Nah, man. It's ok, we're sweet.
Let's share our shitty opinions then, mate.
That's the nature of the game, right?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

you guys are getting along nice huh

that's good to see