The Dive's Covid Thread

[JGrimez]

The totality of the pandemic itself is also the largest transfer of wealth (theft) in history. They knew exactly what they were doing with lockdowns and printing funny money, and by the time the average person finally clocks what is going on they will own nothing and be happy.

Welp, that campaign by the WEF didn't quite work out so they've now removed the "be happy" part:

 

[JGrimez]

Because Trump was totally trustworthy and reliable as of 2016

He did actually do a lot of positive things for the country before the pandemic hit.
Sufferers of TDS will never realize or accept this though. Even as/when the Democrats run the country into the ground.
I believe Trump actually did give a shit about the country, but the cabal tightened its grip around him eventually and he capitulated. Too bad, he seemed to be the last hope for the nation.

 

[Neuroborean]

They are when both sides are funded by the same group.


The holocaust was actually extremely beneficial and helpful to Zionists because it gave them the justification to create the state of Israel. They were previously encountering great resistance to the idea as the British were not keen on displacing the local Palestinian population. Then when you view the fact that Hitler was cutting deals with the Zionists, and letting Jews leave Germany, the plot thickens... Not exactly the actions of someone who wanted to exterminate them all (as the popular story goes).

Yeah, of course,
I didn't say what you are saying because I was a bit too cautious, but honestly I think the same, Zionism was very benefited by the 2nd World War, to the point that I think it almost seems like one of the main goals of the War was to create the State of Israel and to be morally justified for decades and decades to be able to take control of the area and carry out all kinds of conquests, abuses and exterminations of the surrounding peoples (Palestinians), without being able to criticize them with the excuse of the victim mentality and the wild card accusation: you are an anti-Semite!
I much likely have jewish blood myself (surnames), I have absolutely no hatred against anyone for having a particular blood or culture, but no one can be morally justified just for being this or that, that's supremacy.

Rothschilds and company knew who to fund and when, you know, it's similar to the mafia who bet for the winning (and doped up) horse.

 

[Xorkoth]

In terms of finances, it most certainly is at the very least a money grab by pharmaceuticals. I'm convinced they know they're selling magic beans to everyone, that their 'science' is completely fraudulent, and that it is all about marketing directly using fear. The book 'Virus Mania' by Engelbrecht revealed that clearly. It's a complete sham that involves the pharmaceutical industry and powerful figures in government and media, a revolving door of corruption. Much in the same way the 'defence' industry clearly works under the table with the CIA and State Department, etc, to instigate conflicts so they can sell weapons.

I don't think these people actually know what the truth is about causes of diseases they purport to sell products for - personally I believe a handful right at the top, above the pharmaceutical industry, understand the truth. It is irrelevant in terms of making money though. So long as the customer believes in what they're selling. People think this is far out conspiracy but if you look at the history of medicine men right from the primitive shamans right down the line, to medieval alchemists, to Victorian street hustlers, it has always involved a tremendous amount of bullshit and hypnosis.

The totality of the pandemic itself is also the largest transfer of wealth (theft) in history. They knew exactly what they were doing with lockdowns and printing funny money, and by the time the average person finally clocks what is going on they will own nothing and be happy.

Yeah I can buy that for the most part. It does appear to be a huge money grab at this point, with the vaccine clearly not doing much of anything against omicron but they're still pushing it. It was good against the original virus, if it hadn't mutated, I' still think it was a good idea. I'm not getting another though.

In the US, fortunately, it's almost like it's just totally over. Not a lot of people are even masking anymore, not really talking about it much, no restrictions. It feels like the pandemic is pretty much over to me, at least right now.

It might be a concept that's foreign to Leftists or Democrats, but some people withdraw support for politicians after they've proven to be liars or don't hold up their promises.

That happens fully equally for both sides, don't try to make that into a left-only thing.

I believe Trump actually did give a shit about the country, but the cabal tightened its grip around him eventually and he capitulated. Too bad, he seemed to be the last hope for the nation.

Okay, well that's your opinion. To me, he was always extremely transparently a conman who only gives a shit about himself. It couldn't be more obvious.

 

[JGrimez]

It’s not a conspiracy, the ABS has confirmed that excess mortality is up in Australia in 2022.

Deaths in Australia Spike 20% in 2022 - XYZ

It’s happening. All cause mortality in Australia is up by 20 per cent. This is the biggest news story on the planet. It has been confirmed by data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and it was tweeted by a real life journalist so it must be true. Deaths in Australia "20.5% more than historical

xyz.net.au

?

 

[Neuroborean]

It’s not a conspiracy, the ABS has confirmed that excess mortality is up in Australia in 2022.

Deaths in Australia Spike 20% in 2022 - XYZ

It’s happening. All cause mortality in Australia is up by 20 per cent. This is the biggest news story on the planet. It has been confirmed by data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and it was tweeted by a real life journalist so it must be true. Deaths in Australia "20.5% more than historical

xyz.net.au

?

Almost in every place where the vaccine acceptance has been over 70%, some days ago I posted the EuroMomo and there's countries in Europe where the vaccine hasn't been popular at all (eastern and balkanic countries). Nonetheless the excess mortality is outrageous.
One may end up thinking that the nanobot-mind-control is the most plausible hypothesis for all this (for me it wasn't...), considering how meek seems everyone nowadays...

 

[Neuroborean]

That happens fully equally for both sides, don't try to make that into a left-only thing.

Nowadays left-right are the dualist trap/amusement for the plebs, the black and white of the masonic chess board.
The basic script is written decades ago.

 

[mal3volent]

Nowadays left-right are the dualist trap/amusement for the plebs, the black and white of the masonic chess board.
The basic script is written decades ago.

by who?

 

[Neuroborean]

by who?

By a large group of people that could be like 0.0002% of the total human population,
do I really need to give surnames?
As long as we are not there recording their events it's pointless to name specific names but you can name organizations.

 

[alasdairm]

Nowadays left-right are the dualist trap/amusement for the plebs, the black and white of the masonic chess board.

i'm increasingly tending to agree with this basic idea.

but why is it that i read so many comments from people saying, effectively, "we're really all in this together and the left-right thing is just a plan by the man to keep us divided and keep control" who then go on to say stuff like this?

That's what's sad about most leftists these days...

with respect, aren't you just as much a part of the problem as those you criticise?

alasdair

 

[Neuroborean]

i'm increasingly tending to agree with this basic idea.

but when is it that i read so many comments from people saying, effectively, "we're really all in this together and the left-right thing is just a plan by the man to keep us divided and keep control" who then go on to say stuff like this:



with respect, aren't you just as much a part of the problem as those you criticise?

alasdair

why?
these days means:
actually the left probably had a sense of dignity and some goals that made sense, generally, in the past, and I think they don't nowadays. I always felt close to the annarchist movement, and in some way still am, but I've also seen how the annarchist movement is degrading and becoming the same useless and contradictory crap that the official left is becoming due to sold out intellectuals and zombieish non-autonomous followers who swallow all the propaganda.
While I think that's quite "natural" into the right wing, specially the liberal right wing, it shouldn't be among the left, taking account that those were always trying to go against the irrational hierarchies, but now they accept most irrational hierarchies and seem to even love some of the hierarchies and behave more and more herd-like and dogmatically.
I just despise them.
I don't want to belong to mediocre and non-coherent ways of thinking/organizing.

 

[alasdairm]

well, that doesn't really address the question.

to me, you seem to be simultaneously criticising the fake/manufactured duality while embracing it.

alasdair

 

[Neuroborean]

well, that doesn't really address the question.

to me, you seem to be simultaneously criticising the fake/manufactured duality while embracing it.

alasdair

no,
the thing is that you may not understand how the duality works
as long as people still play that game, there's NOTHING to do, that's it.
Both parts have their own type of blindness, I'm criticizing the left side of blindness, specially because I was there for years participating in activism, so I know where that blindness comes from, in a genealogic way, so to speak. It fucks me up, intimately, cause I DID belong there, so I see their flaws more naturally.
I know how the other part works, but the thing is that if each "band" doesn't understand why they are blind (to the other side) and why they are incomplete without understanding the other part... then nothing will change.
No one really has created a place of understanding and discussion, basically because being like fanatics, one way or another doesn't help. I don't feel emotionally bonded to any of the dual groups because I think both are wrong and right, in various ways.
If you feel bad because, this time, you got me critizicing the left could be because you're still emotionally bonded to what's it's generally considered the left, if it's not, what's wrong with it?
I don't think capitalism nor explotation is the best way of organizing societies, so I guess I don't generally would agree with someone fanatic of the right-wing who think that. I think the State needs to be eroded to the minimum, or at least be super controlled by the people, (which is going to be very difficult).
We are now headed for an overcoming of the false duality, but under an even worse deception: the AI technocracy. Many will think how great, that politicians are worthless so let's listen to the wise AI, which is "neutral" and wonderful, the platonic government of experts.

 

[Neuroborean]

well, that doesn't really address the question.

to me, you seem to be simultaneously criticising the fake/manufactured duality while embracing it.

alasdair

Or more simple:
the ideas have DEGRADED, and through the degradation of ideas/morals/ideals is how they win over us, because they corner our pretensions into smaller and smaller, more ridiculous and more cowardly pretensions, on one level as well as the other.
We could call this the dwarfing of democracy or the de-idealization of ethics. Whatever name you prefer.
This is how they do what comes out of their noses, they have their big companies so they fulfill their big plans, and they put 4 morons to scream in a room while they pay their theatrical fee while people worry about antics, or worse, accept genocidal agendas.

 

[alasdairm]

the thing is that you may not understand how the duality works

sure. i'd be the first to admit that.

or maybe i understand it fine and you're the one who doesn't understand?

or maybe there is no duality at all.

i appreciate your trying to explain but your posts on this subject - and, to a greater extent, posts by others in this forum over the years - read like "both sides are the same. the division is manufactured to keep us under control. but the libs are worse."



alasdair

 

[Neuroborean]

sure. i'd be the first to admit that.

or maybe i understand it fine and you're the one who doesn't understand?

or maybe there is no duality at all.

i appreciate your trying to explain but your posts on this subject - and, to a greater extent, posts by others in this forum over the years - read like "both sides are the same. the division is manufactured to keep us under control. but the libs are worse."



alasdair

No, I've NEVER said libs are worse
you must consider something:
I'm european and I live in a place where the consevatives really don't exist, well, there's a conservative party nowadays but it's called "extreme-right" or "fascists" when it's just... conservative.
The same happent with a party just a bit on the left side.. it was called "communist" and "extreme-left" which is so ridiculous. Both are totally pro-Europe, pro-Euro, pro-NATO and pro-globalization which is tipically mainstream and eventually pro-Elites. Same shit happens almost everywhere.

What I want to say it's that I don't share at all your perspective because, I cannot, I'm not from USA so I don't associate left wing with liberalism, that's a crooked way of relating things in fact.
I would want to associate left-wing with "liberate the working class of the slavery system and create social justice for everyone erasing inequality" but as you can see, that doesn't happen AT ALL and it's not what the left-wing parties are doing nowadays, mainly, cause they've found that it's better just to insult traditionalism and buy some voters from the "minorities" instead of working to solve the biggest inequality of all: the economic struggle and capitalist exploitation.

It seems that the "left" (the so called left) is just that, liberals doing liberal things and playing the ideological agenda to buy some voters, and then they rant about "populism" because they are losing the working class masses, due to their useless politics.

 

[alasdairm]

i'm not from the u.s. either. i grew up in edinburgh.

alasdair

 

[Neuroborean]

i'm not from the u.s. either. i grew up in edinburgh.

alasdair

Well, but you know, liberalism is something that in anglosaxon cultural backgrounds is related with the left, which in anycase shouldn't be like that. The right-wing countries were often the more liberal in terms of economic regulations while left wing was usually more prone to be liberal in social terms, but nowadays that is changing, probably because they change as global players want them to change to follow the script/agenda.
In my country left is associated with "regulations" and "communism".
In the past it was associated with "socialism" which I considered more genuine.

 

[-=SS=-]

i'm increasingly tending to agree with this basic idea.

but why is it that i read so many comments from people saying, effectively, "we're really all in this together and the left-right thing is just a plan by the man to keep us divided and keep control" who then go on to say stuff like this?

For once I'm in agreement with you.

The political pendulum continuously swings back and forward, generations pass, everything changes but everything stays the same. We've been playing this stupid game for a long time and it's about time people realized they are being hypnotized by the pendulum.

Nothing really changes because we're not dealing with the underlying psychology, with ourselves. Political movements rise and fall, names change, the seemingly virtuous get into power over the defeated immoral opponents and then become the thing they rallied against. We love a good fight, some good drama, something to feel victorious over, yet all we're doing is fighting with each other instead of wrestling with our inner demons.

The leftists, woke, whatever, are just a product of a system that is corrupt from the very top. This drama will continue on endlessly whilst we have a hierarchical top-down global ruling class comprised of absolute degenerates that propagate their mind viruses to the next generations, and a public that enable them by not challenging things from the bottom up (starting with ourselves).

We'll just repeat this crap, even with a fresh start on Mars or a desert island, until we grapple with what's going on inside our heads. Compassion for the fact we're all under a spell or something, would be a great place to start. Something about love thy neighbour as yourself.

 

[Jabberwocky]

2 party system is inherently flawed, it's essentially just one party that has consolidated power, but wears different colored hats as a fashion statement.

I say we start a national socialist party