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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Snafu in the Void said:
Can any Americans point out any examples of when guns were successfully used to defend a citizen against a tyrannical entity of government within the last 100 years or so? Or ever, really?

Meaning they were actually justified in doing so and weren't just trying to kill cops after breaking the law.

I'm really tired of people parroting this part of the 2nd amendment.

Makes me think of Waco...
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Ex-Marine heard someone creeping around his house late at night. Had his wife hide and he grabbed his semi-auto rifle. The police kicked in his door, he shot thinking “oh my god a whole gang are trying to kill us” and was brutally murdered by the swat team.

Turns out they were serving a no knock drug warrant. The guy was clean, they got the wrong house. But they didn’t figure that out till they had shot him some 10-20 times.

I think it was in Arizona? This was some years back. But stories like this are very true and real, you never know when you might get swatted for no reason.
 
n3ophy7e said:
What is the REALISTIC STATISTICAL LIKELIHOOD of someone breaking in to your house in the middle of the night to kill your family?
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High enough, it happened to my grandparents/mom and her sisters several times. Two of my grandad’s peers were gunned down, they were targeting doctors to try and get their drug and cash stashed back in the 70s, some biker gang. People are psychopaths and I’d rather live in a world full of guns and accidents than in a world where someone can come up in my home real easy like and Clockwork Orange my wife and me.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Obviously there are irresponsible people who legally own guns, and who knows how you would go about stopping this from happening, what would you suggest
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i am asking you. you said there are some people who are too stupid to own guns.

you seem to be advocating for some level of gun control and i'm trying to understand your position.

alasdair
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Ex-Marine heard someone creeping around his house late at night. Had his wife hide and he grabbed his semi-auto rifle. The police kicked in his door, he shot thinking “oh my god a whole gang are trying to kill us” and was brutally murdered by the swat team.
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he asked for examples of when guns were successfully used to defend a citizen against a tyrannical entity of government.

that doesn't sound very successful to me. you're kind of making his point for him with that example.

alasdair
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Ex-Marine heard someone creeping around his house late at night. Had his wife hide and he grabbed his semi-auto rifle. The police kicked in his door, he shot thinking “oh my god a whole gang are trying to kill us” and was brutally murdered by the swat team.

Turns out they were serving a no knock drug warrant. The guy was clean, they got the wrong house. But they didn’t figure that out till they had shot him some 10-20 times.

I think it was in Arizona? This was some years back. But stories like this are very true and real, you never know when you might get swatted for no reason.
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We'll be seeing a lot more of this thanks to the Supreme Pizza Court and their latest ruling.

I don't know if I'd describe this as tyrannical government, though, just bad policing and poor policing laws. I also don't see how owning a gun would help in this situation, either.

If you shoot at cops there is only one outcome, they're going to kill you. Doesn't matter if they made a mistake. You can't shoot at cops. They're going to murder you and then figure out what happened only later.

i wonder if there are any instances of people who have killed police entering their home, SURVIVED, and then were cleared of all charges later.
 
alasdairm said:
he asked for examples of when guns were successfully used to defend a citizen against a tyrannical entity of government.

that doesn't sound very successful to me. you're kind of making his point for him with that example.

alasdair
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Fair enough, not an example of someone living through it.
alasdairm said:
so your example is from 50 years ago?

ok.

alasdair
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It doesn’t matter when the example is from, do you really think over 50 years time America has gotten more sane, more safe, better policed?

All I’m saying is the world is crazy so I’d rather have the choice to defend myself.
n3ophy7e said:
I can't believe I am reading this.
Are you fucking serious?
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I am, yes.
Snafu in the Void said:
wonder if there are any instances of people who have killed police entering their home, SURVIVED, and then were cleared of all charges later.
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probably not, the police state doesn’t like survivors.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Fair enough, not an example of someone living through it.

It doesn’t matter when the example is from, do you really think over 50 years time America has gotten more sane, more safe, better policed?

All I’m saying is the world is crazy so I’d rather have the choice to defend myself.

I am, yes.

probably not, the police state doesn’t like survivors.
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Have YOU, PERSONALLY ever had your house broken in to??
Any of your neighbours? Anyone in your street?
 
I did make a point on another thread about how police brutality, how police are protected by law and now how they can do no knock warrants... That police can be tyrannical themselves.

But you can't shoot at police, period.

Nobody wins in a gunfight against the police. They'll kill you then call it proper procedure.

Tyrants need to be voted out not shot out.
 
n3ophy7e said:
Have YOU, PERSONALLY ever had your house broken in to??
Any of your neighbours? Anyone in your street?
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Not my house, but the next door neighbors yeah. Several other houses in other parts of the neighborhood over the years. Admittedly the area I live in has a high incidence of violent theft.

I love you n3o, please don’t miscontrsue my words as, “I don’t care about your kids.” Because I do, I care about innocent children. That’s why my wife and I aren’t having any, I’m scared enough for the life of my darling nephew.

But I’m never gonna change my stance on firearm ownership, it’s a God given right (just like abortion, free speech, drug use, drinking, etc.)

Snafu in the Void said:
Tyrants need to be voted out not shot out
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If they’re gonna shoot me either way, I’d like to drag a few down to hell with me.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
If they’re gonna shoot me either way, I’d like to drag a few down to hell with me.
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Yikes. Is there possibly a full moon?

Emotions running high at the moment.

It's a really emotional subject but lets remember we all really care about each other and are from different Countries where gun laws and gun toting people are extremely different. Canada sits right on top of the US and has totally different laws. As well as Australia and the United Kingdom having their own laws.

It's futile to think that Aussies and Brits are going to think the same way as Americans. We didn't all grow up in the same Country.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Ex-Marine heard someone creeping around his house late at night. Had his wife hide and he grabbed his semi-auto rifle. The police kicked in his door, he shot thinking “oh my god a whole gang are trying to kill us” and was brutally murdered by the swat team.

Turns out they were serving a no knock drug warrant. The guy was clean, they got the wrong house. But they didn’t figure that out till they had shot him some 10-20 times.

I think it was in Arizona? This was some years back. But stories like this are very true and real, you never know when you might get swatted for no reason.
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Here this happened very,very often.Police just wrong the adress and brutally crack the door at midnight's-brutally beating innocent people.Every day-shit like that.Yes -most of operative workers are brainless,their chiefs are zero and all operative info is often totally incorect-full lack of any proffesional skills.No one can protect you.Only for this year-more of 400 cases of women killed(domestic violence),no measure could stop the "war on the road" countless victims of road accidents.When you look statistics about all that shit and population number-well that here is weird to point of absurd.A real shithole.Who's to blame-Us.Quality persons are long gone-abroad,dead or searching the street garbage.....and talk about professors-old and sick.Mentally ill-most of them on the streets,cause there are nor personal,no food,no nothin in psychiatries.....but with some cash you can have a good holyday.Welcome.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I love you n3o, please don’t miscontrsue my words as, “I don’t care about your kids.” Because I do, I care about innocent children.
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but, with due respect, 19 dead children and 2 dead adults at robb elementary, 20 dead children and 6 dead adults at sandy hook, etc. is the price society pays so that you (plural) can have a gun, right?

so, on some level, it's more important that those people died and americans have guns than they lived and americans don't?

alasdair
 
n3ophy7e said:
What the fuck are you talking about man?? What person "breaking in to your house"? You wanna talk statistics? What is the REALISTIC STATISTICAL LIKELIHOOD of someone breaking in to your house in the middle of the night to kill your family??

Very very VERY close to ZERO FUCKING PERCENT CHANCE.

Does that warrant you having a lethal weapon next to your bed JUST IN CASE something with almost NO CHANCE OF EVER HAPPENING happens??

Get a fucking grip on reality.


I completely agree.
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Well then you stay unarmed since it’s “very very close to zero percent” I’ll stay armed ;) It’s just not a gamble I’m willing to make…you know what els is really close to zero percent ? Your chance of dying from COVID but I bet you ran out and got vaccinated ha
 
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