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U forgot bout Russell brand.
Add the by contrast, right sneaky little (controlled opposition) Jeremy Vine too.

He though, cunningly planted so long ago ALL over the shop, TV talkshows, BBC Radio 2, etc, is pretty established as a non quack no conspiracy, articulate clever unbiased, objective critical good man and servant of the people and greater good.

Jones is actually a mispelling on his birth certificate it was supposed to say "Jokes".

And Brand, is a dirty filthy minded man a paedophile and a lot more but one hell of a compulsive liar
 
What have you heard about that? That's the first I've heard anyone make that accusation towards him.
Not just heard, but seen own eyes evidence of blatant gross indecency towards very young girls live on This Morning once, and other videos.

He is a liar, #1.

Full on. Deceotion, masquerading as this really funny clever open-minded alternative against the system Champion who is basically working for the powers that be to continually control deflect and mislead the opposition.

He's a disgusting freak.

Jones is simply a deliberately over exaggerrated bad, "Bad actor".
 
can you post links to a couple of examples please?

thanks.

alasdair
I'm looking, but YT do remove these clips in time.

I think it was "This Morning" show.

4 yr old girl his lap. Centre stage, live.

Brand clearly pinched or rubbed her right nipple, prompting an observable uncomfortable facial reaction from her.

Violation, and disgustingly so at that too.

Right in plain sight. He was all over rhe girl anyway, acting out the innocent child lover.

He societally stands for sex sex sex. Flaunts himself sleezily.

But loves kids!

I saw other videos of him in parks, dirty unwashed minimal clothing ponging BO behaving very innaprioriately to young teenage girls, again them displaying expression of confusion discomfort violation.


I really doubt those videos are anywhere on the net, now.

I just checked YT. Can't see any of the stuff came up 4 years ago but I'd expect exactly that.
 
ummm... people had long Covid before the vaccines were rolled out.

:tinhat:
Or, it didn't exist then and was a narrative ready and waiting for the harms caused by the vaccines?
Now all of a sudden there's been sufficient time between vaccinations and problems to develop for there to be a very real object of concern to appear. Blame it on long covid, or blame it on monkey pox instead.
The theory about all the harms done by the vaccines being sold as new diseases or existing ones disconnected from the vaccines themselves in plausible.

Even the normiest of normies know that big pharma is not their friend. This is as mainstream as you can get. Big pharma is a cartel that fortunately gets to run it's empire within the confides of the law, or at least make out that it is. Everybody knows this. I don't think I have ever met one person who actually aligns themselves with the agendas of big pharma. I would wager a bet to say you don't either. Subconsciously you know you've heard enough to know how shady big pharma is.

Supposing that's all true (which it is), and acknowledging every single shady thing they have ever done and been caught doing, it's not hard to assume that the drugs they peddle and force on to people through seemingly innocent and 'world saving' interventions are creating nasty side effects and actually making disease/sickness more common. Big pharma don't want you healed. That's a basic premise we all know hence why anti-depressants are potentially a lifetime regimen. Why they are not keen to dole out cures for diseases/sickness and why they have for many years sought to stonewall access to much needed medication. If they don't want you healed and want the problems to exist (which is how they make money - off humanity getting sick), to what lengths are they willing to capitalize and dominate their already planet spanning empire? Judging by history, anything and everything.

Just look at basic truths. Here in the UK big pharma doesn't pay damages for harms done by them. The taxpayer does. The same is true in the US I think.
Here in the UK some of our most 'trusted' experts in varying fields are on the payroll of big pharma, many of them with very attractive stock incentives. I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US. And then let's go back in history. The starting era of the pharma industry began with Rockefeller TAKING OVER the field of medicine and outlawing all other treatments by court order. He wanted a way to get rid of his surplus reserves of oil and one way to do that was to use oil for the production of pharmaceutricals. The next generations then spent huge amounts of resources infiltrating the ranks of governments to ensure a clear passage for the burgeoning industry to thrive. We started with solid fallback mechanisms to hold big pharma accountable. Now accountability doesn't even reach the mainstream news (I wonder why) and if it does it's watered down to entertain the low attention span and magical thinking of adult children to make it seem perfectly okay. Big pharma has got BIGGER and continues to get BIGGER every single year making RECORD profits. Then we can discuss the manipulation of scientific research and the silencing of dissenting/challenging research in all areas of science to align with the agendas of big pharma, who actually fund most of it and who actually support the careers of pretty much all graduates who go into some field of medicine or another, particularly if their role is important and they are closer to the agendas of big pharma.

These are not good things. Even someone with the greatest symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome and C-PTSD would recognize that. It's not hard to make an assumption they are up to no good and IT IS big pharma who are making sure it's people like yourself who discredit any alternative narrative because their reach is so vast and their fingers in so many pies if they wanted you to believe the moon was made out of cheese and you needed one of their new drugs to continue living and breathing - when asked to jump you will ask how high. That's how insidious big pharmas role is in the functioning of health in society. Every cornerstone of 'truth' and 'reality' has been coerced into reinforcing big pharma agendas. That's how it was intended from the start when Rockefeller with his own wealth and accrued influence (a private individual no less!) managed to take over medicine (an area of scientific study belonging to the collective to benefit society for society by society and yet owned by nobody - or atleast that's what we believe anyway) and turn medicine into a field entirely reliant on the use of pharmaceutrical intervention and that ALL medical students be trained to be conditioned to accept this.

The case against big pharma is water tight. That's something you cannot argue. The plausibility of theories? Maybe. But big pharma? Absolutely not. So if we are discussing big pharma here (which we are) the reality hasn't changed. It's big pharma. Enough said. There is very little room for defense of big pharma.
 
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thanks.

you said it was "this morning". but now you're not sure?

i'd like to see it with my own eyes.

alasdair
ofc I appreciate that.

I had a good scrummage, in weak state though so I'm not so resourceful.

These things really do take seeing to believe.

Like this Nano stuff I speak of.

Anyone saw this, visiting me, people would be unable to deny.


I am confident it was this morning?

One main channel daytime TV chat show, Loose Women is another.

I'll try and come across this.


There were lots other videos too, seemingly sleezy violating behaviour, touching, affecting young teenagers.


I never expected these clips to last into our increasing cencorship age.

YT has it's own AI.

Someone asked me other day, how to kill AI Nano, known widely only as Morgellons.


I answered, with direction. YT had deleted it in 2 minutes.

Same day before, somebody else. I replied again, less spelt out.

Same deal!

YT won't allow me 2 minutes telling somebody about the AI Nanotechnology control system, and how only Rifing frequencies can entirely remove it.
 
I had Long Covid before vaxxes were even there!

Cmon folks above. Let's not continue to go down this ridiculous path based on our own fortunate experience and unsightedness which I argue also is by clever design and the divide-and-conquer strategy subjected upon us using the media and politics and fear.

Whatever it is, it's not an imagination.

Just very variable. It broke the world down literally and most of it is out of sight and report currently.
 
I had Long Covid before vaxxes were even there!

Cmon folks above. Let's not continue to go down this ridiculous path based on our own fortunate experience and unsightedness which I argue also is by clever design and the divide-and-conquer strategy subjected upon us using the media and politics and fear.

Whatever it is, it's not an imagination.

Just very variable. It broke the world down literally and most of it is out of sight and report currently.
What broke the world down though?
The virus didn't. We get the flu and make no fuss about it, unless you are a man and then man flu IS the end of the world, for a few days anyway. People die every year because of the flu. Then again, people die every year by falling out of bed awkwardly or getting hit by a freak lightning strike. None of these things spread mass hysteria/psychosis.

The psychological operations on the global population through mandated attacks covered up as health interventions did. This started gradually as there being an object to fret about which bred anxiety and panic. This started because of the reports in China which were carefully sculpted to target the Western world and other places with more democratic forms of governance. We are coming for you next. The mainstream news even said - coming to a street near you soon? Ah, the irony. Actually you could argue society is always kept in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction and angst due to a plethora of social issues. We are never satisfied and there is always an object to target our frustration at. Because this object didn't go away the symptoms manifest in worse symptoms still. This was compounded deliberately by the clinical organization of mainstream media networks conspiring together to stoke the already growing hysteria among the general population. To douse the fire even more, governments around the world allowed the public to fight against one another in a free-for-all co-opted by social media in order to firmly fragment social cohesion and divide up entire populations into warring camps, none of which had the cessation of the object causing their suffering. This is something often utilized in the military to destabilize and overthrow governments by causing social unrest which when directed can be turned towards a particular party/leader. The masses appear to speak on behalf of a legitimate cause but speak on behalf of the conspiring entity responsible for the infiltration. Its also used in general to divide up a country's population to make it harder for them to defend themselves from the real threat. Vietnam was the same. The Americans hired experts in anthropology and behavioural sciences in order to disenfranchise the Vietnamese and get them to sell their fighting age relatives out. Afghanistan no different. American brought over a lot of resources to destabilize social cohesion by fragmenting tribal communities and getting them to rat one another out in an attempt to then divide and conquer the population.

The campaigns went on with the deliberate intention to keep the object of peoples fear so high they would be willing to do practically anything to alleviate the distress it causes them. The willingness we saw involved people ripping up the fabric of their own social realities all in the name of ridding themselves not of a virus, because biologically that is completely false, but of the object. People wanted to FEEL better, not BE better. They couldn't put their finger on what is was but they knew it existed because it was mirrored by everybody else reinforcing the hysteria. The truth is, as we all know, there are NO cures for illnesses like the flu. But we want to feel better about the flu when we are nudged (a behavioural psychology term) to attach our anxiety to the flu so obsess over the flu. In reality it comes and goes no matter how much energy we expend on it. Our anxiety now exists, according to our beliefs, around the existence of the object - the flu. We will do anything in our power to remove that object.

Plus, humans are hardwired to be very very fearful of disease, especially when it comes to hygiene. This is very natural and very healthy but when it is weaponized, our primitive responses are to survive at all costs, bypassing our capacity to think rationally or logically about our split decisions. This was simply used to excellent effect to sidetrack critical thinking. Oh shit the snake, the spider, the lion, the dirty rag, the puddle of blood, the unknown substance, the scary looking plant. What will happen to me? Must clean myself. Must sterilize environment. Must rid oneself of threat. Don't want to be dirty.

I wouldn't confuse what brought down society with a virus. The virus was the mass social contagion, not the virus. Humans were and always will be the weak link. But that's how its always been. You aren't part of the 99% for no reason where life is hard compared to the 1%. Over eons your ancestors were duped to give more and more and more away using the knowledge that humans are flawed and vulnerable and can be exploited and in their droves will act without critical thinking mindlessly following one another until the desired goal is attained. Whether that's oppression in whatever form, it happened because humans have vulnerabilities.

Expose these vulnerabilities and do it to enough people and you get what you want. Ask any narcissist/sociopath. They play these games everyday. On a global level, the consequences are a lot more real and serious.
 
What broke the world down though?
The virus didn't. We get the flu and make no fuss about it, unless you are a man and then man flu IS the end of the world, for a few days anyway. People die every year because of the flu. Then again, people die every year by falling out of bed awkwardly or getting hit by a freak lightning strike. None of these things spread mass hysteria/psychosis.

The psychological operations on the global population through mandated attacks covered up as health interventions did. This started gradually as there being an object to fret about which bred anxiety and panic. This started because of the reports in China which were carefully sculpted to target the Western world and other places with more democratic forms of governance. We are coming for you next. The mainstream news even said - coming to a street near you soon? Ah, the irony. Actually you could argue society is always kept in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction and angst due to a plethora of social issues. We are never satisfied and there is always an object to target our frustration at. Because this object didn't go away the symptoms manifest in worse symptoms still. This was compounded deliberately by the clinical organization of mainstream media networks conspiring together to stoke the already growing hysteria among the general population. To douse the fire even more, governments around the world allowed the public to fight against one another in a free-for-all co-opted by social media in order to firmly fragment social cohesion and divide up entire populations into warring camps, none of which had the cessation of the object causing their suffering. This is something often utilized in the military to destabilize and overthrow governments by causing social unrest which when directed can be turned towards a particular party/leader. The masses appear to speak on behalf of a legitimate cause but speak on behalf of the conspiring entity responsible for the infiltration. Its also used in general to divide up a country's population to make it harder for them to defend themselves from the real threat. Vietnam was the same. The Americans hired experts in anthropology and behavioural sciences in order to disenfranchise the Vietnamese and get them to sell their fighting age relatives out. Afghanistan no different. American brought over a lot of resources to destabilize social cohesion by fragmenting tribal communities and getting them to rat one another out in an attempt to then divide and conquer the population.

The campaigns went on with the deliberate intention to keep the object of peoples fear so high they would be willing to do practically anything to alleviate the distress it causes them. The willingness we saw involved people ripping up the fabric of their own social realities all in the name of ridding themselves not of a virus, because biologically that is completely false, but of the object. People wanted to FEEL better, not BE better. They couldn't put their finger on what is was but they knew it existed because it was mirrored by everybody else reinforcing the hysteria. The truth is, as we all know, there are NO cures for illnesses like the flu. But we want to feel better about the flu when we are nudged (a behavioural psychology term) to attach our anxiety to the flu so obsess over the flu. In reality it comes and goes no matter how much energy we expend on it. Our anxiety now exists, according to our beliefs, around the existence of the object - the flu. We will do anything in our power to remove that object.

Plus, humans are hardwired to be very very fearful of disease, especially when it comes to hygiene. This is very natural and very healthy but when it is weaponized, our primitive responses are to survive at all costs, bypassing our capacity to think rationally or logically about our split decisions. This was simply used to excellent effect to sidetrack critical thinking. Oh shit the snake, the spider, the lion, the dirty rag, the puddle of blood, the unknown substance, the scary looking plant. What will happen to me? Must clean myself. Must sterilize environment. Must rid oneself of threat. Don't want to be dirty.

I wouldn't confuse what brought down society with a virus. The virus was the mass social contagion, not the virus. Humans were and always will be the weak link. But that's how its always been. You aren't part of the 99% for no reason where life is hard compared to the 1%. Over eons your ancestors were duped to give more and more and more away using the knowledge that humans are flawed and vulnerable and can be exploited and in their droves will act without critical thinking mindlessly following one another until the desired goal is attained. Whether that's oppression in whatever form, it happened because humans have vulnerabilities.

Expose these vulnerabilities and do it to enough people and you get what you want. Ask any narcissist/sociopath. They play these games everyday. On a global level, the consequences are a lot more real and serious.
This is exactly what they want too.

Everyone disagreeing, argue, vested.


I'm not disputing you fully at all.

But we have our own experience. I go mostly by this.

So I insist, there really IS something under the bonnet of this insideous political/spiritual operation.

Whether it be biological or technological, it runs like a programne through society.

It has genuinely harmed more people than we know too.

It's an evil unleashment.

Together, with the cohorted political assault, has brought the crater down.



If your immune system is not compromised, you can miss the direct reality of Covid altogeher, and too many insist to deny it's even existence.

Others ignorantly profess- just a cold, flu.

Others try to tell ME I have got my ideas, brainwashed by TV Fauci & Co.


Wrong wrong wrong on that.


Yes there are bedsheets of politics overlaying this.

I never imagined my own serious battle against this weapon. It's real.

Q is, what is it exactly?

It's not nothing though, a cold, or mere suggestive projection.


This, is innacurate, I rebutt it. I won't expend energy trying to prove, convince, persuade though.

That's what they want ofc. Divide and conquer indeed.
 
This is exactly what they want too.

Everyone disagreeing, argue, vested.


I'm not disputing you fully at all.

But we have our own experience. I go mostly by this.

So I insist, there really IS something under the bonnet of this insideous political/spiritual operation.

Whether it be biological or technological, it runs like a programne through society.

It has genuinely harmed more people than we know too.

It's an evil unleashment.

Together, with the cohorted political assault, has brought the crater down.



If your immune system is not compromised, you can miss the direct reality of Covid altogeher, and too many insist to deny it's even existence.

Others ignorantly profess- just a cold, flu.

Others try to tell ME I have got my ideas, brainwashed by TV Fauci & Co.


Wrong wrong wrong on that.


Yes there are bedsheets of politics overlaying this.

I never imagined my own serious battle against this weapon. It's real.

Q is, what is it exactly?

It's not nothing though, a cold, or mere suggestive projection.


This, is innacurate, I rebutt it. I won't expend energy trying to prove, convince, persuade though.

That's what they want ofc. Divide and conquer indeed.
Public debate is what you want. It just depends on what you think that is. Most people don't know what real public debate is because they've never experienced it. The public coming together to make progress on issues free from external influences is something you don't often see anymore.

Good old fashioned town halls are a good example which are not swung by another underlying agenda. Talking to your neighbours about what is going on in your area another one, when the talking isn't fuelled by external influence to compromise these conversations. The people taking control of the discourse. When they do it usually follows with major structural changes in power and the powerful don't want that happening. The average person actually having a voice? No chance! Give him the illusion he has a voice instead! Get him to join in our version of the debate so we can control everything.

When people don't talk about these things it harms social order even more. There is as much potential in government and its cronies seeking to get citizens to give up discussing current affairs and isolate themselves from joining in the debate as there is getting people onboard just to bash each other and not talk about the actual subjects at hand and parrot propaganda. Both have been used extensively over the years. Still today most people consider things like politics and the economy and even the law in all its forms subjects that don't relate to them. Why push people to be interested in subjects you want to control? You benefit from keeping people in the dark about this stuff. If politics was a mandatory subject at school, the structure of your government would be very different. If economics was mandatory also, things like national debt, their relationship with money and how the banking sector works would be understood for what they are.

Public discourse is not divide and conquer. That's John and his family calling upon Derek and his who calls upon Sam and his family who calls upon, you get the drift, to talk about real problems in their area or even, world. Over history though, the state understood this threat (after endless events where the people protested, took off the heads of politicians, ransacked government buildings, toppled the ranks of government etc) and sought to compromise communities so they could control them on a more granular level. Most people think they know community but they have no idea. They know the Western version of it, which isn't community at all. The closest we might get are allotments in the city and a tiny little room with some tables and chairs and coffee for community projects, most of which have little to no funding (obvious why that is) and never achieve the success that is planned for them, often in good faith by real members of the community.

Here in the UK, you are lucky to band together to get pot holes filled in on the road. Public discourse is our life blood as its what melded us together throughout our evolution and helped us deliberate on what was going on in our worlds and take action. Now the mainstream media does that from plush studios disconnected from the lives of the average man woman and child. We are related to like children and given a fantastical view of the world that keeps us dumbed down and naive. Everything around us seeks to reinforce this world view. The real processes for change fade into the background forgotten about.

By saying you won't discuss these things anymore means you have been sold on what public discourse is all about. You're making an argument in your head that, sounds legitimate and based on our shared reality, is accurate. But, what is our shared reality? What REALLY is public discourse? Notice how while at the same time you talk so much truth and want real progress in your message, you also talk about it while referring to what that implies from the manufactured reality that prevents it from happening. Change is not possible is what you are saying unless the argument is won. That's the debate the powers that be want you to have.

The real debate is discussing why our debates make no progress and who is responsible for making that happen and what we can do to build evidence to support this so we can take action. And then discussing the issues that exist in our local communities but also worldwide when the doors are truly open to free open debate that is not compromised by ulterior agendas.

I always use the example of a narcissist who triangulates his warped reality onto a group of people. In that abusive relationship dynamic everybody thinks the solution is what the narc wants, even though they don't know the solution becomes to him/her. They will try to "fix" things from the rule book of the narc. Get rid of the narc and all of a sudden, the solutions become different and the true nature and flow of the group takes effect and usually unless these people are just as sick they will gravitate towards mutually beneficial outcomes. Our world is very much like that example. And so you don't stop trying to solve the issues, which is what everybody thinks they are doing. You try and solve the reason why these can't be solved by looking underneath the hood to see what factors are involved and you'll likely find some cold hard truths along the way.
 
This is exactly what they want too.

Everyone disagreeing, argue, vested.


I'm not disputing you fully at all.

But we have our own experience. I go mostly by this.

So I insist, there really IS something under the bonnet of this insideous political/spiritual operation.

Whether it be biological or technological, it runs like a programne through society.

It has genuinely harmed more people than we know too.

It's an evil unleashment.

Together, with the cohorted political assault, has brought the crater down.



If your immune system is not compromised, you can miss the direct reality of Covid altogeher, and too many insist to deny it's even existence.

Others ignorantly profess- just a cold, flu.

Others try to tell ME I have got my ideas, brainwashed by TV Fauci & Co.


Wrong wrong wrong on that.


Yes there are bedsheets of politics overlaying this.

I never imagined my own serious battle against this weapon. It's real.

Q is, what is it exactly?

It's not nothing though, a cold, or mere suggestive projection.


This, is innacurate, I rebutt it. I won't expend energy trying to prove, convince, persuade though.

That's what they want ofc. Divide and conquer indeed.


im gonna go out on a limb here and say it is the equivalent of the flu in it's current state


they still have ppl trickling into the ER, but that happens with the flu too, right?



i just wish they would stop saying, "you're gonna catch it no matter what" because that's just not true



“I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that everybody will get COVID-19,” Dr. Otto Yang, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases and of microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, told TODAY.

“It’s looking very much like people who get a booster have protection against getting it,” Yang said. And introducing a booster that’s specific to omicron — or whatever concerning variant might be next — is one way to make vaccination even more effective against breakthrough infections, he explained.

“Certainly, your outcome is going to depend on your vaccination status ... We will see that those who are vaccinated and boosted will have less severe outcomes, less risk of mortality,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told TODAY's Craig Melvin this week. “There are going to be breakthrough cases of omicron, but they will be certainly milder if you’re vaccinated and boosted.”
 
Public debate is what you want. It just depends on what you think that is. Most people don't know what real public debate is because they've never experienced it. The public coming together to make progress on issues free from external influences is something you don't often see anymore.

Good old fashioned town halls are a good example which are not swung by another underlying agenda. Talking to your neighbours about what is going on in your area another one, when the talking isn't fuelled by external influence to compromise these conversations. The people taking control of the discourse. When they do it usually follows with major structural changes in power and the powerful don't want that happening. The average person actually having a voice? No chance! Give him the illusion he has a voice instead! Get him to join in our version of the debate so we can control everything.

When people don't talk about these things it harms social order even more. There is as much potential in government and its cronies seeking to get citizens to give up discussing current affairs and isolate themselves from joining in the debate as there is getting people onboard just to bash each other and not talk about the actual subjects at hand and parrot propaganda. Both have been used extensively over the years. Still today most people consider things like politics and the economy and even the law in all its forms subjects that don't relate to them. Why push people to be interested in subjects you want to control? You benefit from keeping people in the dark about this stuff. If politics was a mandatory subject at school, the structure of your government would be very different. If economics was mandatory also, things like national debt, their relationship with money and how the banking sector works would be understood for what they are.

Public discourse is not divide and conquer. That's John and his family calling upon Derek and his who calls upon Sam and his family who calls upon, you get the drift, to talk about real problems in their area or even, world. Over history though, the state understood this threat (after endless events where the people protested, took off the heads of politicians, ransacked government buildings, toppled the ranks of government etc) and sought to compromise communities so they could control them on a more granular level. Most people think they know community but they have no idea. They know the Western version of it, which isn't community at all. The closest we might get are allotments in the city and a tiny little room with some tables and chairs and coffee for community projects, most of which have little to no funding (obvious why that is) and never achieve the success that is planned for them, often in good faith by real members of the community.

Here in the UK, you are lucky to band together to get pot holes filled in on the road. Public discourse is our life blood as its what melded us together throughout our evolution and helped us deliberate on what was going on in our worlds and take action. Now the mainstream media does that from plush studios disconnected from the lives of the average man woman and child. We are related to like children and given a fantastical view of the world that keeps us dumbed down and naive. Everything around us seeks to reinforce this world view. The real processes for change fade into the background forgotten about.

By saying you won't discuss these things anymore means you have been sold on what public discourse is all about. You're making an argument in your head that, sounds legitimate and based on our shared reality, is accurate. But, what is our shared reality? What REALLY is public discourse? Notice how while at the same time you talk so much truth and want real progress in your message, you also talk about it while referring to what that implies from the manufactured reality that prevents it from happening. Change is not possible is what you are saying unless the argument is won. That's the debate the powers that be want you to have.

The real debate is discussing why our debates make no progress and who is responsible for making that happen and what we can do to build evidence to support this so we can take action. And then discussing the issues that exist in our local communities but also worldwide when the doors are truly open to free open debate that is not compromised by ulterior agendas.

I always use the example of a narcissist who triangulates his warped reality onto a group of people. In that abusive relationship dynamic everybody thinks the solution is what the narc wants, even though they don't know the solution becomes to him/her. They will try to "fix" things from the rule book of the narc. Get rid of the narc and all of a sudden, the solutions become different and the true nature and flow of the group takes effect and usually unless these people are just as sick they will gravitate towards mutually beneficial outcomes. Our world is very much like that example. And so you don't stop trying to solve the issues, which is what everybody thinks they are doing. You try and solve the reason why these can't be solved by looking underneath the hood to see what factors are involved and you'll likely find some cold hard truths along the way.
With respect, you just misunderstand me, I am very low on energy, and my focus, interest and sight is far away from the politics of this.

I just have not the energy or need to be a part of the circus whipped up over this.

And I hate trying to prove, convince people of basic plain truths generally.

This thead is new. There were nunerous others.

We talked about so much of this already too.
 
im gonna go out on a limb here and say it is the equivalent of the flu in it's current state


they still have ppl trickling into the ER, but that happens with the flu too, right?



i just wish they would stop saying, "you're gonna catch it no matter what" because that's just not true



“I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that everybody will get COVID-19,” Dr. Otto Yang, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases and of microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, told TODAY.

“It’s looking very much like people who get a booster have protection against getting it,” Yang said. And introducing a booster that’s specific to omicron — or whatever concerning variant might be next — is one way to make vaccination even more effective against breakthrough infections, he explained.

“Certainly, your outcome is going to depend on your vaccination status ... We will see that those who are vaccinated and boosted will have less severe outcomes, less risk of mortality,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told TODAY's Craig Melvin this week. “There are going to be breakthrough cases of omicron, but they will be certainly milder if you’re vaccinated and boosted.”
Yes, for many.

But it stands alone in it's variability and potential.

If I swear that C19 has had a far worse impact on me, than Borrelia, or any other single thing in life, and I get flu 1 to 3 times some years, true 6 week job, plus everything else over time.


But my NS was messes by Lyme, so Long Covid is automatic. And has been very damaging.

Most won't experience this.

But out of sight a surprising number of people are being heavily afflicted by recurring and Long infections.


Whether it's 5G, plain virus, Nano manifestation, Bill Gates or whoever's fault, it is no way comparable to flu, potential.
 
With respect, you just misunderstand me, I am very low on energy, and my focus, interest and sight is far away from the politics of this.

I just have not the energy or need to be a part of the circus whipped up over this.

And I hate trying to prove, convince people of basic plain truths generally.

This thead is new. There were nunerous others.

We talked about so much of this already too.
I would argue that's why the emphasis on communicating with others is even more important if you feel like you are low on energy and retreating from public discourse. Others need to speak on behalf of you and everyone else who feels the same way. Notice how that rarely happens, especially when apparently talking about real pressing matters, or so you are made to believe. You are either part of the in-group or out-group but the problems never go away. Do you actually have a voice? You should be able to state that you are fed up and sick of explaining things. You aren't alone with that. The more people who say they are tired of what has gone on, the more people to mobilize together.

We have been conditioned to believe if we stop talking about it and retreat into our own world problems will disappear. Someone else will fix them or the problems fix themselves. Nope. The public give up or give in and the bearer of the bad news now offers a "solution" to "fix" the problem. That IS the problem. We live in a world propped up by romance and fantasy. Because our world keeps moving and because food is on our table, money in our bank or whatever else - that means everything is okay. Just vote at the booth, pay your taxes, consume and just hope it all works out.

Only we can sort these issues out. We wouldn't actually be dealing with them if we were responsible of our own lives and our communities because any outside threat to our freedoms would be quickly dealt with. Our relationship with our society isn't what we are told it is. What we believe we a part of is not society. Its a story.
 
I would argue that's why the emphasis on communicating with others is even more important if you feel like you are low on energy and retreating from public discourse. Others need to speak on behalf of you and everyone else who feels the same way. Notice how that rarely happens, especially when apparently talking about real pressing matters, or so you are made to believe. You are either part of the in-group or out-group but the problems never go away. Do you actually have a voice? You should be able to state that you are fed up and sick of explaining things. You aren't alone with that. The more people who say they are tired of what has gone on, the more people to mobilize together.

We have been conditioned to believe if we stop talking about it and retreat into our own world problems will disappear. Someone else will fix them or the problems fix themselves. Nope. The public give up or give in and the bearer of the bad news now offers a "solution" to "fix" the problem. That IS the problem. We live in a world propped up by romance and fantasy. Because our world keeps moving and because food is on our table, money in our bank or whatever else - that means everything is okay. Just vote at the booth, pay your taxes, consume and just hope it all works out.

Only we can sort these issues out. We wouldn't actually be dealing with them if we were responsible of our own lives and our communities because any outside threat to our freedoms would be quickly dealt with. Our relationship with our society isn't what we are told it is. What we believe we a part of is not society. Its a story.
You express a fair and positive attitude.

And I don't disagree with you on all.

I still think you mistake me though.

I have too much on my plate just seeing tomorrow every day, to be drawn into political argumentation.

That doesn't make me fuel for their agendas.

I am fully against, non comply.

I have expressed so all over the shop.

I can't do so on this side of the topic currently/anymore.

That isn't retreating exactly. Like abandon.
 
And I hate trying to prove, convince people of basic plain truths generally.

if something is a basic, plain truth, it should be incredibly straightforward - and place very little burden on the claimer - to prove the claim.

it's an immediate red flag to me when somebody can't or won't embrace the opportunity to back up a claim they are making with some kind of substantiation. and, as is often the case, when they go on to complain that they are being attacked - for simply being invited to back up a claim - then i have to question the veracity.

(to be clear, that second part is not aimed at you, autotripper, i am speaking more generally).

alasdair
 
if something is a basic, plain truth, it should be incredibly straightforward - and place very little burden on the claimer - to prove the claim.

it's an immediate red flag to me when somebody can't or won't embrace the opportunity to back up a claim they are making with some kind of substantiation. and, as is often the case, when they go on to complain that they are being attacked - for simply being invited to back up a claim - then i have to question the veracity.

(to be clear, that second part is not aimed at you, autotripper, i am speaking more generally).

alasdair
I am not disagreeing with you, though I'd suggest it isn't quite so black and white.

In this case, it is simply the silly myth at root, that Covid doesn't actually exist, or is not very detrimental I aim to dispell.

Because I feel it is a silly stance, counterproductive to any discussions, and it's unreal discourse.
 
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