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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

alasdairm said:
did you read the piece to which you linked?

i'm wondering why you changed the numbers when you created the link? here are the actual numbers:

(my emphasis)

but, hey, at least under obama the cdc was permitted to even research gun violence after the congress, under pressure from the nra, took steps to suppress then current gun violence-related research and block future research.

the same cdc also noted in study from 1993 in the nejm that the risk of homicide was 3 times greater and the risk of suicide nearly 5 times greater in homes with guns...



it was reported at the time but the report was released 9 years ago so it's hardly current.

alasdair
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Thanks for confirming that potentially millions of lives are saved by defensive gun use.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
That's a really good story and it should've gotten more press.....i love the fact that a woman took him out with one shot too - that's great
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It should've gotten more press but it goes against the narrative by showing us the obvious truth that guns protect law-abiding citizens.
 
Look how much of a (non) threat domestic white supremacist terrorism is:

rumble.com

Is White Supremacist Terrorism a Genuine Problem?

Despite claiming domestic terrorism and "White supremacy" is the number one threat to American security. The head of the Department of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas can’t name a SINGLE case tha
rumble.com rumble.com
 
JGrimez said:
Look how much of a (non) threat domestic white supremacist terrorism is:

rumble.com

Is White Supremacist Terrorism a Genuine Problem?

Despite claiming domestic terrorism and "White supremacy" is the number one threat to American security. The head of the Department of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas can’t name a SINGLE case tha
rumble.com rumble.com
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That’s just how the establishment labels any wrong thinkers/dissenters. Its almost always a play from rules for radicals. Only legit white supremacists I’ve ever met were in mammoth lake California. Before this I thought they were made up.
 
Dropperneck said:
That’s just how the establishment labels any wrong thinkers/dissenters. Its almost always a play from rules for radicals. Only legit white supremacists I’ve ever met were in mammoth lake California. Before this I thought they were made up.
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I lived in Chicago's Marquette Park neighborhood in the 1970's. The American Nazi Party had their headquarters on 71st st near California at the time.

Those were the only genuine white supremacists I ever met in real life. Believe me if you ran into the real thing you could recognize them, no problem.

The truth is that the demand for white supremacists (by the media and alarmists) greatly exceeds the supply. Those who continually use that term against those who are not actually white supremacists are diminishing the reaction each time they use the term improperly. I sincerely hope that we never do see a white supremacist group to rear it's ugly head again.
 
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Jerry Atrick said:
So let me get this straight. All the folks are saying it's a "mental health" issue but at the same time. all the doctors who treat mental health and their medications are evil. Are y'all sure you're barking up the right tree?

I think I posted a meme before, "If people are the problem and not guns, why would you ever give the problem guns?"
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Do you think if a mother is taking antidepressants/ antipsychotics during pregnancy it could have some negative effects on the child later in life ? If so then it should be pretty alarming how often this is happening and really question the future, cause we are now starting to see a lot of teens/adults who’s parents were on these drugs during pregnancy
 
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Cheshire_Kat said:
I lived on Chicago's Marquette Park neighborhood in the 1970's. The American Nazi Party had their headquarters on 71st st near California at the time.

Those were the only genuine white supremacists I ever met in real life. Believe me if you ran into the real thing you could recognize them, no problem.

The truth is that the demand for white supremacists (by the media and alarmists) greatly exceeds the supply. Those who continually used that term against those who are not actually white supremacists are diminishing the reaction each time they use the term improperly. I sincerely hope that we never do see a white supremacist group to rear it's ugly head again.
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These bikers I was hanging with at the bar Were pretty vile. The minute we figured it out we dipped out back to the hotel. Yeah they are pretty disgusting, of course they said tons a racist shit within the few minutes we were there. Ya the demand for white racism so greatly exceeds supply that you have folx like smollet making shit up and rabbis burning down their churches lol
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Aesop's fable of "The boy who called wolf" brought to modern day life. Those who continually call "Nazi" and "White Supremacist" will find themselves with no credibility if and when actual Nazi's appear.
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and communists, socialists, fascist

everything in our society has become the extreme if you don't like them
 
Snafu in the Void said:
However, I think it would be a huge mistake to just say these drugs caused this to happen or were the main factor.
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That's fair enough, which is why I said 'perhaps causation' because I'm sure they're just a part of a greater picture. What drives teens to be on ADs in the first place? IMO the mass prescription of drugs such as this to teens is ignorant, but obviously they're at the psychiatrist in the first place for some reason... lazy parents? Ignorant parents? A bad home life? Being bullied at school (which has never been well addressed... Columbine should have started that ball rolling and it's still fucking immobile)? There's certainly lots of factors leading to youth ending up in a psychiatrist's 'care'.

I don't believe that SSRIs/SNRIs are the sole cause of teenage violence. Kids are violent by nature. But that's why we shouldn't be prescribing them drugs that might permit greater self harm or harm to others.

And I'd like to point out that I fully believe in the field of psychology (just not psychiatry), as I personally have found it very helpful to just talk to a third party about my problems, and a counselor is going to try and help you to overcome your issues without medicating you into oblivion as if they were using some bludgeon to knock you over the head. I don't see a counselor myself (who can afford that shit?) but my wife has her B.A. in psychology and I find her to be a great sounding board. And when I can't talk to her, I talk to good friends, or even just rant here on BL, and it does me a lot of good to just get shit off my chest most times.

So yeah, I'm not anti-mental health awareness, I'm anti-psychiatry.




I dunno, I read about people deciding to 'finally' turn in their semi-auto rifles due to suddenly feeling like, "Why do I need a weapon like this?" And I think damn, the government won against you man, they didn't even have to kick your door in to completely... okay please forgive my use of this word, but I feel it is apt... to completely cuckold you.
 
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Cheshire_Kat said:
Aesop's fable of "The boy who called wolf" brought to modern day life. Those who continually call "Nazi" and "White Supremacist" will find themselves with no credibility if and when actual Nazi's appear.
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If you think the NS regime did not survive WW2, you're incorrect, sadly.
You can check lists especially of the Totenkopf SS, where for 60-80% of Nazis there is no date of death,
as they usually fled the country.

Many of them fled to America: South America, US and Canada
 
Cream Gravy? said:
What drives teens to be on ADs in the first place? IMO the mass prescription of drugs such as this to teens is ignorant, but obviously they're at the psychiatrist in the first place for some reason... lazy parents? Ignorant parents? A bad home life? Being bullied at school (which has never been well addressed... Columbine should have started that ball rolling and it's still fucking immobile)? There's certainly lots of factors leading to youth ending up in a psychiatrist's 'care'.
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Yeah, it's pretty awful. There was a convincing study that just came out that stimulant medications don't actually help kids with ADHD learn in school at all. It simply seems that way because they appear to be more focused, but it doesn't actually help them learn.

But giving those drugs to kids is seriously fucked up and I think, in a major way, it's just lazy psychiatry and parents. Just dope 'em up real good, make them docile and easier to manage... easy fix. Same goes with ADs and other drugs.

Kids experience anxiety and depression due to societal factors, and being a teenager is a tough time in life (psychologically).

Depression and anxiety are completely normal to some degree... it's part of existence of a human. Our society treats them like it's some sort of abnormal problem that shouldn't exist at all.
 
December Flower said:
If you think the NS regime did not survive WW2, you're incorrect, sadly.
You can check lists especially of the Totenkopf SS, where for 60-80% of Nazis there is no date of death,
as they usually fled the country.

Many of them fled to America: South America, US and Canada
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No they are still in existence, in fact they are still in Chicago.

But anyone who meets them knows they are real Nazis, there is no mistaking. They are arrogant, demand you obey them and will not tolerate anyone outside the white race. They are not covert, they operate overtly where ever they exist.

They even asked me for a donation when I was wearing my dress blues USAF uniform back in the 1970's. It was only the fact that I was in uniform that restrained me from getting in a fight. Please don't try to preach to me, I am not a naive kid.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Yeah, it's pretty awful. There was a convincing study that just came out that stimulant medications don't actually help kids with ADHD learn in school at all. It simply seems that way because they appear to be more focused, but it doesn't actually help them learn.

But giving those drugs to kids is seriously fucked up and I think, in a major way, it's just lazy psychiatry and parents. Just dope 'em up real good, make them docile and easier to manage... easy fix. Same goes with ADs and other drugs.

Kids experience anxiety and depression due to societal factors, and being a teenager is a tough time in life (psychologically).

Depression and anxiety are completely normal to some degree... it's part of existence of a human. Our society treats them like it's some sort of abnormal problem that shouldn't exist at all.
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psychiatry tries to make the mind a formula with a simple and linear solution, which, worst of all, is always medication.
taking negative side-effects as "necessary evil" & creating drug addicts all over the globe.

of course it's a joke.
 
Dropperneck said:
That’s just how the establishment labels any wrong thinkers/dissenters. Its almost always a play from rules for radicals. Only legit white supremacists I’ve ever met were in mammoth lake California. Before this I thought they were made up.
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Exactly

all you do when people, and especially white people, go on about white supremacists, just ask them, "how many white supremacists do you personally know?" and when they say "none" you rest your case
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
No they are still in existence, in fact they are still in Chicago.

But anyone who meets them knows they are real Nazis, there is no mistaking. They are arrogant, demand you obey them and will not tolerate anyone outside the white race. They are not covert, they operate overtly where ever they exist.

They even asked me for a donation when I was wearing my dress blues USAF uniform back in the 1970's. It was only the fact that I was in uniform that restrained me from getting in a fight. Please don't try to preach to me, I am not a naive kid.
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It wasn't a religious argument. Because the catholic church helped them escape? I know you're not a kid. Bit confused
I don't quite understand how it correlates with knowledge about the Rattenlinien anyways how old one is.

Whatever. Anyways, the Nazis you describe don't sound like proper Nazis. It's really not about the "white race",
it's about the aryan race, which does mean the proto-indo-european stem, but also any nationality Hitler deemed 'worthy'.
Color of skin has nothing to do with it, per se.
For example, if Jewish parents would baptise their children in the Christian faith, the children would be deemed "aryan".
A lot of the Nazi movement was mostly Anti-Slavic. Slavs were declared "Untermenschen" and Hitler planned to exterminate all Slavs
Just look at the Slavic deaths in WW2, it's insane.

An example from the other side of the coin, Italians were deemed Aryans by Hitler, so you see it's really a very flexible term.
He made Japan the "Ehrenarier" (honor-aryans). It's more of a "with us" or "against us" terminology.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
all you do when people, and especially white people, go on about white supremacists, just ask them, "how many white supremacists do you personally know?" and when they say "none" you rest your case
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I think when a lot of people talk about "white supremacy" they're just referring to racism in general.

I've met plenty of casually racist people in my life, including some from my own family. They just don't have an active agenda.
 
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