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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Mr. Krinkle said:
Look at this email i just got:


Dear Families and Staff,


Earlier today we had an incident occur at ____ ____ Elementary. A student unintentionally brought a firearm to school. The weapon was immediately secured after being discovered by a staff member retrieving an item from the student’s backpack. No one was harmed during the incident and no threats were made. The District Safety, Security & Emergency Management Director contacted law enforcement and they took possession of the weapon. Please know that appropriate disciplinary measures have been taken in cooperation with the student’s family.


This incident should serve as a reminder to everyone about the importance of securing weapons in the household.


We are proud of the staff member response to this incident and the careful attention to safety protocols. A message about the incident was sent to all ____ ____ Elementary families and staff at the school were also alerted (see below).


Safety is a top priority in ____ ____ School District. We value the support of our families as we carry the responsibility to educate and keep our students safe.


Thank you for your partnership and support.
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Glad your kid is ok man
 
jasperkent said:
I don't think it's unreasonable to ban automatic weapons.
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They already did, back in 1986. Almost 40 years ago. An automatic rifle or submachine gun goes for easily $100k on the legal market since even with the proper ATF paperwork, you cannot buy any automatic weapons built post-1986. So there's literally only so many 'machine guns' available to buy. Most are in the hands of the ultra-wealthy and are simply collector items.

Just wanted to clarify that.

And if anyone is like, "I think semi-automatic weapons should be banned," well then I have to say, I think you're wrong and I won't be giving up any of mine.

jasperkent said:
Also, do you really believe that if I own a couple pistols, a shotgun, and a few rifles, then I am safe from the US Government?
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The idea is deterrence. That the citizens can unite against the government if needed. And you know what? If the government plans to kick in my door and drag me off to a gulag, I'd like to go down fighting. I think most Americans feel this way. There's a reason we still have freedom of speech and such over here vs places like Russia or Australia or Hungary.

Mr. Krinkle said:
Look at this email i just got:


Dear Families and Staff,


Earlier today we had an incident occur at ____ ____ Elementary. A student unintentionally brought a firearm to school. The weapon was immediately secured after being discovered by a staff member retrieving an item from the student’s backpack. No one was harmed during the incident and no threats were made. The District Safety, Security & Emergency Management Director contacted law enforcement and they took possession of the weapon. Please know that appropriate disciplinary measures have been taken in cooperation with the student’s family.


This incident should serve as a reminder to everyone about the importance of securing weapons in the household.


We are proud of the staff member response to this incident and the careful attention to safety protocols. A message about the incident was sent to all ____ ____ Elementary families and staff at the school were also alerted (see below).


Safety is a top priority in ____ ____ School District. We value the support of our families as we carry the responsibility to educate and keep our students safe.


Thank you for your partnership and support.
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That's really sad man... parents who leave weapons out for their kids to nab both anger and frighten me. When my nephew comes to visit I lock up all my stuff in the closet and don't let him see/touch any weapons. It's actually illegal under my state's law to leave a firearm where a child can access it. And I wish more parents were being prosecuted under that law.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
@Mr. Krinkle how does an elementary school child "unintentionally" bring a gun to school?

Oops it fell out of the gun safe and into my backpack?

Oops my daddy gave me the gun backpack instead of my school backpack?

Unintentionally....

How is that not child endangerment... Should that family should have their guns confiscated?
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the dad meant to put in his man purse but accidentally put in his kids backpack
 
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This is the company that manufactured the Uvalde weapon. They put this ad out a week before the shooting... painfully ironic.
 
I hope there is some real, reasonable change in this country; raise the purchase age, require background checks even for private sales, fund programs that help unhappy youths... there are so many answers that aren't just a knee jerk "BAN, BAN, BAN!" type reaction.
 
AbbeyLee said:
Russell Brand's take on this was awesome. I transcribed some of it I was so impressed.

I've been making a conscious effort to be a bit less self-centred and try to lessen this "bio-horror" and desperation just a fraction. Anyway, Russell.. Please check it out.



"I am seeking to understand how a culture can generate such trauma and misery with such alarming regularity.

We’ve seen in the pandemic that you can radically alter society overnight; when there is a germ threat or when there is a terror threat.

I say now we live under constant threat - a psychic threat, a kind of a bio-horror of existence.. Where a significant number of people are living a life of absolute desperation, and the consequence of that is once in a while someone emerges and does something so ugly, so unimaginable, so cruel and so ghastly that we’re forced as a culture to look at the event and look at ourselves.


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I listened to his talk. He made several really good points. I wish everyone (of every political persuasion) would listen to that.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
this is RERALLY stupid and bringing up semantical shit

yeah just give these people anger management classes that'll stop all the violence in the world

2017 Las Vegas shooter was just a normal person... he was just very angry and shot thousands of bullets at thousands of people :'( totally just an anger problem even though he was rich and by all accounts had a great life.... stfu

stupid

maybe it doesn't fit the textbook definition of what mental illness is... because it's not in the DSM-V... doesn't mean it doesn't need to be addressed as such, they still need THERAPY and MENTAL HELP

"So it definitely contributes to the stigma of having a mental illness and people’s willingness to share that they have mental illness"... this person is just trying to white knight for mentally ill people



also seems a bit politically motivated statement:

"And these are countries who, when they have had a mass gun violence incident, their leaders have created common-sense gun laws, which is something that our leaders are unwilling to do. They have clearly accepted that guns are more important than the lives of the citizens of our country.”

But she wants to be clear: NAMI does not advocate for gun rights.

Simonds finds it interesting that gun advocates are using mental illness as a scapegoat,"
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When ever someone starts a post with stupid.. I generally skip the post. Post skipped
 
www.thenation.com

Time to Put the “Good Guy With a Gun” Delusion Out of Its Misery

In the wake of the Uvalde massacre, political evasion and lying only get more desperate.
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A few good points mentioned here, particularly about many shooters being suicidal, thus circling back to the mental illness aspect. Anger may not be mental illness, but as that woman's opinion stated, suicide is.


"Prior research suggests that many school shooters are actively suicidal, intending to die in the act, so an armed officer may be an incentive rather than a deterrent. The majority of shooters who target schools are students of the school, calling into question the effectiveness of hardened security and active shooter drills. Instead, schools must invest in resources to prevent shootings before they occur."

"Given that gun control is off the table, we’re left with a political culture that keeps reinvesting in illusions and absurdities. Thus sports pundit Jason Whitlock offered this ludicrous brief on behalf of police incompetence:
I’m not defending the actions of the officers. But we’ve demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero, for taking risks. When your culture makes George Floyd the hero, real heroes stand down. Cultural rot has consequences.
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The claim here is that unless cops are allowed to murder innocent civilians like Floyd without criticism or punishment, they can’t be expected to defend children from being slaughtered."
 
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Texas School Shooter’s Dad: ‘He Should’ve Just Killed Me’​


Despite the horrific slaughter he carried out Tuesday, Ramos insisted that his son was “a good person” who “stuck to himself.” He claimed to have no idea why his son became so violent, or why he chose to target the school.

But he said he did notice one change in his son in recent months: a pair of boxing gloves he’d purchased and started testing out at a local park. “I said, ‘Mijo, one day somebody’s going to kick your ass,’” Ramos recalled. “I started seeing different changes in him like that.”

The younger Ramos reportedly had a poor relationship with his mother and had dropped out of high school ahead of his graduation this year. His father admitted he had not spent much time with him lately because he was employed outside Uvalde—he digs holes around utility poles for inspection—and because of the pandemic.

His own mother was suffering from cancer, Ramos said, and he could not risk being exposed to the coronavirus. He added that his son grew frustrated with the COVID precautions about a month ago and refused to speak to him. Ramos has not seen him since.

“My mom tells me he probably would have shot me too, because he would always say I didn’t love him,” he told The Daily Beast.

Ramos also faulted the boy’s mother, Adriana Reyes, for not buying him more school supplies and clothes. He said his son was bullied at school for wearing the same high-water jeans every day, and that this was the reason he ultimately dropped out. Attempts to reach Reyes for comment this week were unsuccessful.

Former classmates and families confirmed that the younger Ramos had been bullied in middle school for a speech impediment. But some former co-workers and others who knew him said Ramos had an aggressive streak, and his internet history pointed to someone all too happy to descend into twisted boasting about guns and mass bloodshed.

A high school classmate told the Washington Post she had seen Ramos engage in multiple fist fights, and a former co-worker told The Daily Beast he was inclined toward harassing women he worked with.

“I don’t think he was necessarily bullied,” the classmate, Nadia Reyes, told the paper. “He would take things too far, say something that shouldn’t be said, and then he would go into defense mode about it.”

For his own part, the father has a lengthy criminal record which includes at least one conviction for assault and causing bodily injury to a family member. He said he was currently estranged from his daughter—the gunman’s sister—who he said was also upset with him for not spending enough time with the family.

The sister, 21, joined the Navy and is no longer living at home.

“My daughter, I guess, changed her life, she went to the Navy,” he said. “I wish my son would have gone and changed his life."

Ramos said his son frequently complained about his maternal grandmother, who was in the hospital recovering from her injuries this week. He said he offered to let his son move in with his own parents, but that the teenager declined, citing the lack of WiFi. (The teenager’s final dispute with his maternal grandmother before he shot her was reportedly about his phone bill.)

He said his son had a girlfriend in San Antonio, whom he and his family had been to visit, but he did not comment further on the teenager’s social life, which classmates said had rapidly been declining.

He added that he was speaking out because “I want my son’s story out there.”

“I don’t want them calling him a monster... they don’t know nothing, man,” he said. “They don’t know anything he was going through.”

—with reporting by Emily Shugerman, William Bredderman, and Justin Rohrlich

www.thedailybeast.com

Texas School Shooter’s Dad: ‘He Should’ve Just Killed Me’

His son murdered 21 people at an elementary school in Uvalde in the latest explosion of mass gun violence in America.
www.thedailybeast.com
 
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