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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

mal3volent said:
The majority of the 77 minutes between the time he entered the school and his death was probably a lot of stalling and nothing happening.
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True, but how many of those children were bleeding out and could have been saved had they received medical attention sooner?

From initial reports I heard only 2 of the children were dead on arrival when they got to the hospital. Not sure how accurate that is, though.

"Uvalde Memorial Hospital received 17 injured children via ambulance or school bus, two of them dead on arrival, according to hospital Chief Executive Tom Nordwick."
 
mal3volent said:
Sounds like to me the dude was barricaded in a specific part of the school. The people who died were probably killed in the first few minutes, in the same couple of rooms. The majority of the 77 minutes between the time he entered the school and his death was probably a lot of stalling and nothing happening.

The logical thing in my mind is that the shooter was inside one of the classrooms. Police outside in the hallway. Police outside of the school next to the door that was opened. Then a perimeter of more cops in the parking lot and around the school grounds.

Never thought I'd see the day that I was defending a cop, but people need to get real here. Small town cops don't wake up everyday expecting to put their life on the line. You can take whatever oath you want, when the bullets start flying it's a different story. These people have kids of their own who need them. Would you run blindly into a situation like that and risk never seeing your family again?

Especially when all of society has seemingly turned their back on you... ACAB...defund the police...but when trouble starts, please Mr. Police Man pwotect me... hmm.
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Yeah good point. I don't know what I really think about them yet. Obviously more info will come out. I keep forgetting its a small town.

I don't know why they waited for a key instead of smash the door down. That part definitely bothers me
 
Electrum1 said:
I don't know why they waited for a key instead of smash the door down. That part definitely bothers me
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School doors are often reinforced and pretty durable. Thick and have wire mesh on the glass, which is often a very small window. Not sure what their doors were like, though.

I've been wondering if there were windows, though, that could have been shot through...

Also it's like 20,000 population, that's not too terribly small?
 
Snafu in the Void said:
True, but how many of those children were bleeding out and could have been saved had they received medical attention sooner?

From initial reports I heard only 2 of the children were dead on arrival when they got to the hospital. Not sure how accurate that is, though.
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yeah idk. I'm just saying, it seems like there's a lot of "let's blame this all on the cops". Which in my mind is just another distraction that will get a lot of attention but help nothing.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
we're all just grasping in the dark for the reason or someone to blame, right?

because nobody can agree on a solution
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Well libs especially love to blame the cops.

When the cowardly cops narrative first started, it was like moths to a flame on Twitter. Suddenly everyone found a sufficiently edgy and provocative stance to get behind.

Because see, in a few weeks, to some this massacre will be nothing more than a paragraph in their defund the police diatribe.

Whenever the nationwide protests start, I think the hardcore antifa folx will have a hard time finding an appropriate aesthetic. More gun laws! ACAB! Wait a second, how will the working class stage a revolution against the aristocrats without guns? 🤔
 
mal3volent said:
Well libs especially love to blame the cops.
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I'd argue it has more to do with race than political alignment.

mal3volent said:
Because see, in a few weeks, to some this massacre will be nothing more than a paragraph in their defund the police diatribe.
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I disagree. I don't think you'll see any defund the police sentiment out of this tragedy.

Possibly the opposite.

Can you show any examples of defund the police rallies after previous mass shootings?
 
I'm not a huge fan of the mental illness hypothesis. It's better than the "ban guns" approach, certainly. And yeah, most of the gunmen had mental health problems... but a lot of western nations have mental health problems.

My view is that this has more to do with lack of critical thinking. In other words, people are getting more stupid and base because they don't have the intelligent capacity to quell their own stupid feelings. Instead, they react to them by acting out. These gunmen suffer from neglect which includes lack of a mentor to show them how to snap out of it and get their fucking shit together. No different than bullies who lack discipline. They are begging to be corrected, to be shown how to critically manage their own emotions.

It's ironic that the shootings are taking place at schools because they are front and center in the crisis on critical thinking. Public schools in the U.S. are abysmal hell holes. Standardized learning has replaced creative play time. Children aren't allowed to think or express in ways that don't conform to what the system tells them is "good for them." They have little outlet for what is truly meaningful to them. On top of that, so many children are drugged now. It's not "lack of mental health services", it's mental health services that will actually help them process their primal emotions instead of drugging them into numb self-violence.

Banning guns in the U.S. won't get rid of the crazy. It'll just enable deeper denial about how fucked up everything is. I don't want to see children die, I just think these incidents are HUGE cries for change... but nobody will understand that because nobody is willing to rise up and tear down this shitty system. Just like nobody was willing to risk everything to run into the school to save children as they were being killed. The U.S. is headed for cultural collapse. Not that the other western nations are much further behind.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I'd argue it has more to do with race than political alignment.


I disagree. I don't think you'll see any defund the police sentiment out of this tragedy.

Possibly the opposite.
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I submit to you eccentric guy with oddly shaped glasses using #defundthepolice, citing a CNN article...



tons more where that came from
 
mal3volent said:
I submit to you eccentric guy with oddly shaped glasses using #defundthepolice, citing a CNN article...



tons more where that came from
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A few cop haters on Twitter... Not really good example of the larger attitude.

it's the most extreme and bizarre views that seem to get pointed out the most on social media.

Defund the police is not taken seriously by any rational person. Just like pro-pedophilia nutters.

Just because it exists doesn't mean anything will ever come of it or that it's taken seriously.

There will always be a few dumb and angry black guys with silly outfits yelling about cops. They like the attention.

I really dislike that the whole "defend the police" bullshit gets lumped in and generalized with democrats. The vast majority of us do not agree with it... just like conservatives hate that everything thinks they're all racists. It's just not true.
 
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I'm not anti-gun.
But I think some reasonable restrictions are OK, just like with everything else.

Also, do you really believe that if I own a couple pistols, a shotgun, and a few rifles, then I am safe from the US Government?
Interesting.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
we're all just grasping in the dark for the reason or someone to blame, right?

because nobody can agree on a solution
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Russell Brand's take on this was awesome. I transcribed some of it I was so impressed.

I've been making a conscious effort to be a bit less self-centred and try to lessen this "bio-horror" and desperation just a fraction. Anyway, Russell.. Please check it out.



"I am seeking to understand how a culture can generate such trauma and misery with such alarming regularity.

We’ve seen in the pandemic that you can radically alter society overnight; when there is a germ threat or when there is a terror threat.

I say now we live under constant threat - a psychic threat, a kind of a bio-horror of existence.. Where a significant number of people are living a life of absolute desperation, and the consequence of that is once in a while someone emerges and does something so ugly, so unimaginable, so cruel and so ghastly that we’re forced as a culture to look at the event and look at ourselves.


 
Snafu in the Void said:
Defund the police is not taken seriously by any rational person.
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Tell that to all the ACAB Defund the Police rioters that were shutting down downtown areas of cities, while politicians were supporting them even after they burned down peoples businesses
Snafu in the Void said:
I really dislike that the whole "defend the police" bullshit gets lumped in and generalized with democrats.
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Well they weren't right wingers rioting with Defund the Police and ACAB signs
 
Electrum1 said:
Tell that to all the ACAB Defund the Police rioters that were shutting down downtown areas of cities, while politicians were supporting them even after they burned down peoples businesses

Well they weren't right wingers rioting with Defund the Police and ACAB signs
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good thing the police didn't get defunded, nobody really talks about it anymore and the riots stopped

people need to get their anger out somehow when police kill people wrongfully

at least they didn't try to overthrow the government, storm the capitol building and create an insurrection, worse than shutting down a few blocks and businesses I'd argue :whistle:
 
mal3volent said:
damn...what's going on with France and Norway? Less people than us but almost just as many gun deaths this year!
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That article talks about how that is a misleading statistic. The Norway data is from the Anders Brevik shooting, and increases the average death rate over the time span to be over America's.

They compare this to calculating mean terror deaths in America over a 10 year period which includes 2001. This would imply that ~250 people die per year from terror attacks, rather than the influence of an outsized outlier.

The article suggests taking the median deaths per capita, which shows America to be the only non zero country for yearly deaths.
 
Look at this email i just got:


Dear Families and Staff,


Earlier today we had an incident occur at ____ ____ Elementary. A student unintentionally brought a firearm to school. The weapon was immediately secured after being discovered by a staff member retrieving an item from the student’s backpack. No one was harmed during the incident and no threats were made. The District Safety, Security & Emergency Management Director contacted law enforcement and they took possession of the weapon. Please know that appropriate disciplinary measures have been taken in cooperation with the student’s family.


This incident should serve as a reminder to everyone about the importance of securing weapons in the household.


We are proud of the staff member response to this incident and the careful attention to safety protocols. A message about the incident was sent to all ____ ____ Elementary families and staff at the school were also alerted (see below).


Safety is a top priority in ____ ____ School District. We value the support of our families as we carry the responsibility to educate and keep our students safe.


Thank you for your partnership and support.
 
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