Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

[Jabberwocky]

I would support a ban and seizure on assault rifles like Clinton did.

But... What about all those people with stolen and illegal ones?? What about 3d printers?

No solution there. Also half the country would revolt

But people who champion Rittenhouse are fucking morons

 

[Electrum1]

I would support a ban and seizure on assault rifles like Clinton did.

But what about the ~0.0001% of people who need a rifle that holds 30 rounds to stop a pack of wild boar charging at their children on a ranch, so rifles with 30 round mags should be legal for everybody.

If you disagree then you want those children to die, just like people who disagree with unlimited abortion really just want the ~.0001% of Women who medically need abortions to die.

I framed it that way so you can reply why you would or wouldn't still support banning "assault rifles"

 

[Jabberwocky]

But what about the ~0.0001% of people who need a rifle that holds 30 rounds to stop a pack of wild boar charging at their children on a ranch, so rifles with 30 round mags should be legal for everybody.

how do they deal with this in other countries with wild boars or other such deadly animals?

what about a shotgun? non-automatic rifles? what about pistol pete dual wielding automatic pistols? pew pew pew pew?

would another type of gun not scare off a wild boar? I'm no expert but I don't think they charge unless defending their young or otherwise provoked... only in extremely rare cases

but yes, I am sympathetic to such arguments, but I don't think automatic rifles are the only possible answer either

I grew up in an area where wild boars with large tusks were common, Javelinas, I am familiar with their danger, and you're overstating it a bit

If you disagree then you want those children to die, just like people who disagree with unlimited abortion really just want the ~.0001% of Women who medically need abortions to die.

this is just obvious hyperbole

also its about 1-2% of abortions are done out of medical necessity

and no, I don't think abortions should be completely unrestricted either, and no I am not a baby killer lol

I do believe life begins at conception... but I also think abortions should never be outright illegal

 

[Cream Gravy?]

It's obviously a mental health crisis issue. How do we fix that? Well, make summers less hot, give people liberties back, focus on male teenagers and getting them to understand their place (most all of the shooters are young boys whose dad gave them a gun underage), address income inequality (not just for women/minorities), place a cap on income for the rich or just tax them to hell... I mean, there's lot's of things that need doing. People are sad and angry, and the heat and the virus aren't helping.

When people blame guns I cringe.

But people who champion Rittenhouse are fucking morons

I don't like the kid, he was a dumbass vigilante. But he was well within his legal rights to do every single thing that he did. Three people tried to murder him so he put a stop to their attempted crimes. I'm sorry but they deserved it. Again, I don't like the kid... and if he was smart he would have left patrolling the streets to the police like any rational person. But anyway you slice it, while he isn't a saint, certainly not a hero, he did absolutely nothing illegal.

 

[Electrum1]

how do they deal with this in other countries with wild boars or other such deadly animals?

They shoot them with rifles from what videos I've seen.

what about a shotgun? non-automatic rifles?

would another type of gun not scare off a wild boar? I'm no expert but I don't think they charge unless defending their young or otherwise provoked

but yes, I am sympathetic to such arguments, but I don't think automatic rifles are the only possible answer either

Yeah I didn't mean full auto rifles, just an accurate semi auto rifle that can hold enough ammo to shoot 7 charging boar including a few missed shots, call it 30 rounds, because a pistol won't cut it, and a shotgun would need to hold enough shells that it could be considered an "assault weapon" due to its capacity.

So, would you support banning "assault rifles" within city limits only then, since sone people do need them?

 

[Jabberwocky]

But he was well within his legal rights to do every single thing that he did.

I do not disagree with this statement.

The thing I disagree with is that he willingly put himself into that situation with the intent to create another situation in which violence (more MORE violence) would happen. People thinking it's OK to self-police. A la the recent trial about the 3 white stooges who murdered the brown guy who was just jogging because they thought he was up to no good in their neighborhood. That is a problem in this country. The outdated law of "citizens arrest". People who think it's OK insert themselves to take control of any given situation using a gun... it's not ALWAYS wrong... but it's fucking dangerous and often VERY WRONG.

If Rittenhouse did not go to that riot.... there would be 3 less dead people. No? The dude with the skateboard wasn't there to fucking murder people with a skateboard.

Three people tried to murder him so he put a stop to their attempted crimes.

Murder him with a skateboard?

I digress, ultimately what I hate most is how he went on fucking game shows and Faux news and partied at Mar-A-Lago like some sort of fucking hero. THAT is stupid. He is not a hero.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I digress, ultimately what I hate most is how he went on fucking game shows and Faux news and partied at Mar-A-Lago like some sort of fucking hero. THAT is stupid.

The thing I disagree with is that he willingly put himself into that situation with the intent to create such a situation in which violence would happen.

I agree man, hell I didn't know that he was being paraded around on TV (I don't keep up with pop culture much). So I don't think we disagree about Rittenhouse at all actually. I sure as fuck wouldn't be patrolling the streets like a cop with my rifle. I'd just stay home, lock the doors, and only shoot people if they came onto my own personal property and tried to harm me.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

The Buffalo shooter, he cited "extreme boredom" as the reason he became radicalized. The kids being stuck in this weird epidemic we're in... I can see why they're going crazy. So I think the focus really needs to be on the health of young boys who need outlets for their rage. Without outlets, they radicalize.

I was an angry teenager too. I used to believe racist ass stuff. But thanks to my wife and getting out and meeting other humans of every sex, color, creed, etc. I learned to accept others and forego such illogical thoughts. Albeit, I still don't like humans (on the whole) so I plan to live as far from a city as I can once I have the money for a house and some land.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I'm also not sure why 18 year olds can legally buy any firearms at all. They can't drink, they can't smoke... so why the fuck can they buy weapons? We need to raise the 'adult' bar to 21 for everything. 21 to drive, 21 to serve in the military, 21 to smoke weed, drink, smoke cigs, buy guns.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I agree man, hell I didn't know that he was being paraded around on TV (I don't keep up with pop culture much). So I don't think we disagree about Rittenhouse at all actually. I sure as fuck wouldn't be patrolling the streets like a cop with my rifle. I'd just stay home, lock the doors, and only shoot people if they came onto my own personal property and tried to harm me.

exactly, the riot was 2 hours away in a different state and he drove there on his own volition

that's not self defense or protecting your own, who the fuck travels to a riot they have no part in?

he went there specifically to act like he was a cop

honestly I believe there are a fraction of gun owners who love guns and are just itching for the opportunity to legally kill someone, psychos (most are upstanding responsible people, just a fraction aren't)

 

[Cream Gravy?]

A la the recent trial about the 3 white stooges who murdered the brown guy who was just jogging because they thought he was up to no good in their neighborhood. That is a problem in this country. The outdated law of "citizens arrest". People who think it's OK insert themselves to take control of any given situation using a gun... it's not ALWAYS wrong... but it's fucking dangerous and often VERY WRONG.

Also you have a very fair point here. I have no idea why anyone thinks it's okay to stickup strangers who have yet to commit any crime against you.

 

[Electrum1]

So I think the focus really needs to be on the health of young boys who need outlets for their rage. Without outlets, they radicalize.

This definitely seems to be true. Our bloated money wasting government should fund free tech and trade schools for teens. Schools that have no other agenda except to teach how to fix furnaces or whatever other trade. That way the teens learn valuable money earning skills without going into financial debt. Would keep a lot of teens off the streets and create a path to build wealth once they become adults and can open businesses

 

[Jabberwocky]

Also you have a very fair point here. I have no idea why anyone thinks it's okay to stickup strangers who have yet to commit any crime against you.

Citizens arrest law is from like 200 years ago, designed for very rural areas of the country where there was 1 sheriff and sometimes it took HOURS or even days for him to respond to a crime. That is no longer the case anywhere in this country.

We have plenty of very outdated laws here that need to be modernized. Hell, even our constitution needs a few ammendments modernized.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah I didn't mean full auto rifles, just an accurate semi auto rifle that can hold enough ammo to shoot 7 charging boar including a few missed shots, call it 30 rounds, because a pistol won't cut it, and a shotgun would need to hold enough shells that it could be considered an "assault weapon" due to its capacity.

So, would you support banning "assault rifles" within city limits only then, since sone people do need them?

I think limiting ammunition heavily along with extended mags and things would be a good start. But again, it's not difficult to get around that.

I think banning assault rifles in city limits or even whole states is minimally effective at best. Just look at California, they've been banned for many years. Doesn't stop the bloodz and cripz from having plenty of them right?

No simple fix

 

[Electrum1]

The government should create a rapper named "lil assault rifle" that raps about murdering people with AR15s, and then pay the media to report "a huge backlash" against him, and a million articles supporting the backlash

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I think limiting ammunition heavily along with extended mags and things would be a good start. But again, it's not difficult to get around that.

It only takes 10 bullets to kill 10 people though. So what, you can only buy 10 bullets per year perhaps? Half these mass shooters don't even use the right ammo for killing people. I'm honestly shocked at how few people they actually kill, especially the Aurora, CO killer considering he was shooting into a packed theater...

I don't think that's the answer at all. And the only reason the Buffalo shooter was said to have used 'high-capacity magazines' was because he was in NY. Most everywhere else 30 rounds is normal capacity for a rifle chambered in .223/5.56.

 

[Jabberwocky]

It only takes 10 bullets to kill 10 people though.

Technically yeah, but nobody is that accurate. Buffalo bill shot 50 rounds (?), killing 10 and wounding 3 right? Still, in 2 minutes that is a lot of devastation.

I might seem anti-gun but I'm not. I don't own any, but my best friend has an arsenal. I've been to the range several times.

The thrill of shooting an AK, the raw power. A tricked out AR, pinging 100m first try.

so fun...

if I wasn't so poor and strapped for money I would buy a couple for sure

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Technically yeah, but nobody is that accurate. Buffalo bill shot 50 rounds (?), killing 10 and wounding 3 right? Still, in 2 minutes that is a lot of devastation.

Yeah for sure, no one is that accurate. It's horrific how quickly these kids can kill so many people...

But that's the operative word there, 'kids'. We need to get guns out of the hands of kids. Yeah, some mass shooters are full adults, middle-aged men who went whacko. But these past two years of the epidemic, seems to be just a lot of teenagers killing people, just because they're angry for whatever reason, and see no future for themselves.

How do we help these angry kids in feeling like there's a bright future ahead for them? I can barely keep myself from the depths of nihilism... so I don't have the answers for that. But I sure am glad I'm not a racist asshat who thinks the answer is to kill strangers. I can't even fathom what they think they're achieving by killing strangers. They're certainly not inspiring a 'white revolt' against minorities. Charles Manson tried to kick off a race war and failed hard... but people keep doing it, 50+ years later.

The racial aspect, like the El Paso shooter too... Idk what to do about that. Ban Tucker Carlson perhaps?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ban Tucker Carlson perhaps?

I truly fucking hate that man....

If there was one thing I could change about Fox, it would be removing him. He is honestly fairly charismatic which is the problem. Just a huge lie.

Just one lie in an ocean of lies. Politicians, the media, everything. On both sides. I can't shake this feeling that the entire modern digital social world we live in... most of it is lies... lies... lies... all for some sort of personal gain.

 

[Jerry Atrick]

have European countries found a way to prevent knife/acid/vehicle attacks yet?

buffalo shooter had all the ammo in the world, military style gun, etc. killed 10.

Guy in Toronto with vehicle drives into crowd kills 10.

London bridge knife attack kills 8 injures dozens more

So... do you think the biggest problem is the availability of guns or mental health/other random factors?

Your comparisons, while valid, still don't account for the sheer number of people killed every year.

Have their been 200 knife attacks in England this year?

Have their been 200 vehicle attacks in Canada this year?

Acid attacks normally are not fatal, but have their been 200 of them in Asia this year?

I'd say the answer to all those questions is a resounding No.

However, 45,000 people died from firearms in the US in 2020. Guns replaced automobiles as the number one cause of death among people aged 1-19.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-04-22/guns-became-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens-in-2020