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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

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mal3volent said:
I heard on NPR yesterday that it decreases chances of hospitalization by over 90%
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If it does, then good. I don't see how they can accurately measure that. To me, the fact people who took it keep getting Covid again makes it not worth the other risks of taking it.

I made a post on here months ago about its mechanism of action, and that it was dangerous, I'll try to find it.

Edit: Nevermind, I found the post, it was the Merck Molnupiravir Covid pill that I was remembering, not Paxlovid. Oops
 
If they did two or three control groups of people with Covid that didn't take Paxlovid and the hospitalization rates were similar, while the Paxlovid group was much lower then I'd believe it.

Covid varies so much from person to person that only one control group vs Paxlovid group doesn't convince me. That doesn't matter tho as long as it convinces the FDA.
 
jesus christ, i'm still hoping to wake up one day soon in a world where people finally remember that they don't need quarterly injections just to survive.
 
thujone said:
jesus christ, i'm still hoping to wake up one day soon in a world where people finally remember that they don't need quarterly injections just to survive.
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Nope! Still gotta get all the young children, who are at nearly zero risk from Covid, on to the vax train I guess, even though we still don't have pediatric safety data for another couple years

 
I’ve found it very disappointing how much there has been a push to continue to give shots to populations who don’t really need them while many parts of the third world can’t get them for people who would most benefit form it

As long as we have vaccineless countries, new variants will pop up frequently. A young child doesn’t need a third dose when adults in the third world struggle to get a first dose
 
thegreenhand said:
I’ve found it very disappointing how much there has been a push to continue to give shots to populations who don’t really need them while many parts of the third world can’t get them for people who would most benefit form it

As long as we have vaccineless countries, new variants will pop up frequently. A young child doesn’t need a third dose when adults in the third world struggle to get a first dose
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I think this mirrors greater things like food, poverty, clean water.

You have rich countries gleefully wasting food and water when people in other countries are dying from lack there of.

I think greed is fundamentally one of the worst aspects of humanity and will ultimately be our downfall.
 
Electrum1 said:
If the goal was to create new variants then yeah.
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I believe the goal was to reduce the damage caused by the virus, so if it created omicron it seems like an incidental small victory. A lot fewer people are dying. So we're kinda winning?

variants would appear with or without the vaccine, viruses mutate, that's what they do

Electrum1 said:
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lol #2 is the closest to the literal definition

but it's all arbitrary semantics
 
Negentropic said:
I believe the goal was to reduce the damage caused by the virus, so if it created omicron it seems like an incidental small victory. A lot fewer people are dying. So we're kinda winning?

variants would appear with or without the vaccine, viruses mutate, that's what they do
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I mean it's definitely good that it caused less severe variants to take over, but I remember being told by the CDC director, Fauci and President of the U.S. that I wouldn't catch or spread Covid if I took the shots.

Bunch of talking heads on tv said it too, "will stop the spread" but I don't really care about them as much, they say what they get paid to say.
 
Electrum1 said:
I mean it's definitely good that it caused less severe variants to take over, but I remember being told by the CDC director, Fauci and President of the U.S. that I wouldn't catch or spread Covid if I took the shots.

Bunch of talking heads on tv said it too, "will stop the spread" but I don't really care about them as much, they say what they get paid to say.
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I honestly don't remember them using those specific words. "Stop the spread" could be taken literally or figuratively. Maybe they were assuming 100% of people would be vaccinated. They were also going of very rudimentary preliminary data.

But anyways politicians say things to effect their goals. Their goal was to stop people from getting seriously sick, probably not out of altruism but instead to maintain the economy, GDP, the stability of our country, etc. That's what they do. That's their job.

Trump once said "If we test less people, we'll have less positive cases"... lol brilliant logic

I try to imagine how worse things would be if Trump was still here. Remember when he switched stances on the vaccine and then was booed by his supporters? He knew the vaccine was better than nothing at that point.
 
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Electrum1 said:
I mean it's definitely good that it caused less severe variants to take over, but I remember being told by the CDC director, Fauci and President of the U.S. that I wouldn't catch or spread Covid if I took the shots.

Bunch of talking heads on tv said it too, "will stop the spread" but I don't really care about them as much, they say what they get paid to say.
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They thought that... things progress though. It was very effective against the original virus, which it was made for. No one can possibly anticipate how a virus is going to mutate. Unfortunately it mutated so that it was not very effective at all against preventing sickness (though it still worked pretty well against severe disease but not anywhere near well enough all in all). It doesn't mean they were lying, it means viral evolution happened. If it hadn't evolved and had stayed the alpha variant, the picture would be extremely different.

If you look at the numbers against the original virus, they're looking really good. Not the most effective vaccine of all time, but not the least, either. In an acceptable range (no vaccine is perfect).

At this point I consider it a win because the virus is getting less deadly, and IMO we should be thinking about this as the new endemic disease similar to influenza. That is, take precautions if you're susceptible when there is an outbreak. There will be a yearly vaccine, like the flu, but some people will do it, some won't. It should not be mandated, and we shouldn't be running around like the sky is falling. Thankfully, it's less dangerous than when it first started. We're not gonna eliminate it, it's past time to learn to live with it, like we do with other endemic diseases. Everyone will get covid eventually unless you're a hermit. I've had it twice.

At this point, any further lockdowns are more destructive than the virus. Lockdown for as long as it happened probably was more destructive than the virus overall (though if you lost someone or got long covid, you might not think so - in fact I lost 2 family members, but I hadn't seen them in 15 years and we were estranged so it didn't affect my life, as sad as that is to say). The original caution was the only sensible thing to do though... we knew almost nothing about it, and people were dying. I think lockdowns went on too long, and at this point trying to enforce vaccine mandates still is nonsensical, since it doesn't stop you from getting and catching it, only reduces its severity... an argument could be made that less people in the ER costs society less, but I don't think that trumps personal right to choose what to put in your body, when at this point all it's doing is protecting you, if you want to choose not to get that protection, that's your thing. I won't be getting another booster, I got boosted and caught omicron anyway and I'd rather just get omicron again, unless there is another mutation where I am seeing it become far more dangerous again, and a vaccine can be proven to me to greatly reduce the risk. Then I'd consider it. But as it stands now, I'm done with it, personally.
 
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Xorkoth said:
They thought that... things progress though. It was very effective against the original virus, which it was made for. No one can possibly anticipate how a virus is going to mutate. Unfortunately it mutated so that it was not very effective at all against preventing sickness (though it still worked pretty well against severe disease but not anywhere near well enough all in all). It doesn't mean they were lying, it means viral evolution happened. If it hadn't evolved and had stayed the alpha variant, the picture would be extremely different.

If you look at the numbers against the original virus, they're looking really good. Not the most effective vaccine of all time, but not the least, either. In an acceptable range (no vaccine is perfect).

At this point I consider it a win because the virus is getting less deadly, and IMO we should be thinking about this as the new endemic disease similar to influenza. That is, take precautions if you're susceptible when there is an outbreak. There will be a yearly vaccine, like the flu, but some people will do it, some won't. It should not be mandated, and we shouldn't be running around like the sky is falling. Thankfully, it's less dangerous than when it first started. We're not gonna eliminate it, it's past time to learn to live with it, like we do with other endemic diseases. Everyone will get covid eventually unless you're a hermit. I've had it twice.
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Yeah, I'm still going to err on the side of caution with believing anything they say.
 
Electrum1 said:
Yeah, I'm still going to err on the side of caution with believing anything they say.
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I think every responsible citizen, on any political spectrum, should think like this.

It's almost our duty.

But everyone should always keep an open mind, right? Not to be completely closed off. Part of questioning everything is questioning if they could also be correct, not just assuming they are always wrong.
 
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