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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

I think you're overblowing it... literally no one one I know among I dunno, maybe around a hundred people in my friends and family, have had any side effects from the vaccine at all besides a handful having transient light sickness for a day or two (at most, personally I had zero things happen). Not saying I don't think they can happen, but you're acting like inevitable; it's not.
 
agreed. it was a very clever trick, because how is anyone supposed to prove it?
Exactly. How can you?
The most absurd can sometimes be the most easily accepted. As they say, you can't argue with a fool because the fool will always win. There's a predisposition in our human condition that falls prey to these things. No matter how logical, rational, reasonable, moral or whatever else - it can all be undone by a fool who refuses to acknowledge any of it. And what are you going to do about that?

"vaccines did nothing"


Lol

yep its all a big joke, it's sugar pillsl
You think its sugar pills. I don't think so. There's substance to the vaccines (literally) but what they were advertised as being (or at least how the public were cajoled into believing) and what they actually are make them way less of a credible option. When you are first promised the vaccines will get you out of what you are told is potentially the end of everything you have known and then subtly you are told (if you are informed enough seeing as it wasn't stated obviously in all the mainstream sources people get their information from) they do nothing of the kind, you have every right to call bullshit. It also doesn't make them better than what they are just because people believe otherwise.

So, what are they then? That is the question. Why did people take them? Why the huge risks of vaccinating entire populations based on an experimental drug and based on the fact that when research had been conducted in the effects of these vaccines in monkeys the side effects were so severe it was considered out of the question to use them in human populations?

What surprises me is how so many people fall for the continuous lies and backtracking we're subjected to. For example, here in Los Angeles the media recently announced (with great fanfare, mind you) that masks were now optional in transit hubs...airports, bus stations, etc. Then three days later, it was announced that masks were suddenly required again!

What the fuck.
I get you. People see reality as being concrete. The world around them is a concrete thing. Reality is absolute. They are simply passengers embracing it, not drivers part of the creation of it. We are creating our realities all the time but the common perception about reality is it creates itself and we simply live in it. We are constantly fed this assumption all around us as we are nudged here nudged there. We think we are defining ourselves but we are defined constantly by external influences. We are pushed and pulled from life to death.

The whole world can be in constant flux, which it is anyway, but so long as reality as people know it to be remains stable, everything is still the same. So long as the fabric of what people call normal follows the same patterns and things are predictable in reference to the way things are and always have been, nothing has fundamentally changed even if things really have changed.

Saying all that, we are all victims to some degree of this flaw. Everybody believes they know what normal is and everybody assumes reality works in an organized and concrete way. In a way you can't live life without assuming that is the case. Humans strive to recognize patterns and then follow them. We seek to find harmony in everything and we gravitate towards the predictable and paths well worn.

But they, that's also our downfall because sometimes we forget there are other options!
 
I think you're overblowing it... literally no one one I know among I dunno, maybe around a hundred people in my friends and family, have had any side effects from the vaccine at all besides a handful having transient light sickness for a day or two (at most, personally I had zero things happen). Not saying I don't think they can happen, but you're acting like inevitable; it's not.


right

it's still most likely, that nothing at all happens - the most common side effect is pretty much no side effect

not that i'd still get the shots based on that stat - but that's still the most likely outcome
 
i still do think you're all nuts for repeatedly and willfully injecting yourselves with who-knows-what over this whole thing

just wanted to throw that out there

:)
 
i still do think you're all nuts for repeatedly and willfully injecting yourselves with who-knows-what

lol

on a website full of IV drug users injecting stuff cut with who knows what into their veins?

life is a constant game of risk assessment

for me the risk of covid > vaccine side effects
 
research had been conducted in the effects of these vaccines in monkeys the side effects were so severe it was considered out of the question to use them in human populations?
you shouldn't believe every piece of "information" you see on the internet, lots of misinformation and propaganda out there :unsure:

also, why does every "vaccines are dangerous" person always completely disregard the dangers of covid itself and never tries to compare the risks of the vaccine vs covid

regardless of the dangers of vaccines, the dangers of covid in an unvaccinated population are significantly greater
 

Conclusions​

While no cause-effect conclusions could be inferred from this observational analysis, the lack of negative correlations between mask usage and COVID-19 cases and deaths suggest that the widespread use of masks at a time when an effective intervention was most needed, i.e., during the strong 2020-2021 autumn-winter peak, was not able to reduce COVID-19 transmission. Moreover, the moderate positive correlation between mask usage and deaths in Western Europe also suggests that the universal use of masks may have had harmful unintended consequences.

 
you shouldn't believe every piece of "information" you see on the internet, lots of misinformation and propaganda out there :unsure:

also, why does every "vaccines are dangerous" person always completely disregard the dangers of covid itself and never tries to compare the risks of the vaccine vs covid

regardless of the dangers of vaccines, the dangers of covid in an unvaccinated population are significantly greater
This is research. Science. The facts. The stuff that everybody apparently reveres and wants to shove down the throats of others when it suits a particular contagious belief system they have adopted. There has been testing done using similar vaccines and they were too dangerous to use in human populations, just like many vaccines then and many drugs in general.

I'm okay with them not working. It's no big deal. The amount of drugs developed that don't work that are tested every year must be significant. Just because we don't hear of every single one in the news doesn't mean drugs are not failing the stringent criteria for use in general population. The only people not okay with them not working are the ones that don't have a clue what they are talking about and mindlessly parrot whatever gossip is going around their neighbourhood. Why would you argue about drugs not working anyway? Do you want to die? It's really odd how people are defending an area that literally involves life and death and something that our health policies are meant to address so that people don't just fall over dead from popping a pill.

Who is a "vaccines are dangerous" person anyway? That's kind of a very juvenile way to describe somebody. Its like saying who are the "Levi jeans wearing" people think they are? Or, who are the "Apple iPhone using" people think they are? Its completely spurious and meaningless and just ad hominem attacks just because people think that's how they should behave to others just because they see others doing it. School yard bullying based on nothing but groupthink.

There are risks with everything. You take a risk leaving your house. The world is full of risk. To live is to take a risk because every decision you make, whether you accept it or not, consists of a risk ratio. Some people just don't like the risks that come with taking a drug. That's fair enough to me. I never forced my drug use on others and I never attempted to demonize them and publicly humiliate them if they didn't take a puff of a joint with me. I also especially never tried to tell them it would save their life and stop their grandparents from dying. I'm pretty sure that would make me an asshole and also potentially very abusive. It would probably bring me closer to criminal charges instead of saving the world.

That's some Manson shit right there.
Go figure.
 
novel results that community mask adherence and community attitudes towards masks are associated with a reduction in COVID-19 cases and deaths. Our results have policy implications for reinforcing the need to maintain and encourage mask-wearing by the public, especially in light of some states starting to remove their mask mandates.

 
Who is a "vaccines are dangerous" person anyway? That's kind of a very juvenile way to describe somebody.
lol, ok

how can I more maturely refer to you?

"You people"?
"Antivaxxers"?
"Someone who believes all the governments in the world are willingly harming people with a vaccine they know doesn't work, only harms people, and does not reduce the overall damaging effects of a global pandemic, aka a huge conspiracy"?

Like I said, I don't care if you choose not to get vaccinated. None of my business, really. The problem is you keep creating this narrative around the vaccines.

"They don't work"
"They didn't even pass safety trials in monkeys"
"They're killing so many people"
"The moon landing was fake"

My mother who is older is thankfully still alive after having covid, thanks to her vaccine.
 
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lol

on a website full of IV drug users injecting stuff cut with who knows what into their veins?

life is a constant game of risk assessment

for me the risk of covid > vaccine side effects

yea they're fucked up too - i never said they weren't
 
i still do think you're all nuts for repeatedly and willfully injecting yourselves with who-knows-what over this whole thing

just wanted to throw that out there

:)
Yeah, it was suspicious enough when they kept badgering us to get ONE shot...but when they came up with the continuous booster agenda, well, I fucking knew it was bullshit.
 
lol, ok

how can I more maturely refer to you?

"You people"?
"Antivaxxers"?
"Someone who believes all the governments in the world are willingly harming people with a vaccine they know doesn't work, only harms people, and does not reduce the overall damaging effects of a global pandemic, aka a huge conspiracy"?

Like I said, I don't care if you choose not to get vaccinated. None of my business, really. The problem is you keep creating this narrative around the vaccines.

"They don't work"
"They didn't even pass safety trials in monkeys"
"They're killing so many people"
"The moon landing was fake"

My mother who is older is thankfully still alive after having covid, thanks to her vaccine.
You people? You mean us? The human population? Society? Each and every person that exists, has ever existed and will ever exist? Each individual with their own inner world and own goals, dreams, ambitions, values, beliefs and sense of self? That's who you are referring? This existence you call human experience and all those experiencing the same (emphasis on same) human type of experience?

There is no other.
And if you think there is you've found yourself victim of the biggest con there is in society. You've been duped.
That's the oldest trick in the book to divide society and control people. Right now you're a victim of it with the war on drugs. You ARE part of the 'bad' tribe if we are playing by the 'rules' and assuming roles based on those 'rules'. You and I are druggies. We are bad. We don't belong in society. There is something wrong with us. Our governments have spent HUGE amounts of money and resources on demonizing, persecuting and marginalizing people like me and you. Our prisons are full of people like us whose only crimes are possessing drugs the government doesn't want you to have (or sell, because they want to do that for you). What do you think to that? Yep. You ARE one of those "you people" you are just so used to being part of the stigma of owning that label you have become accustomed to identify as such without much effort. It has become second nature for you to be a second rate citizen. Only, you aren't brought to the center of the public square and your personal life exposed to the masses and tomatoes thrown at you while you stand tied to a post in the middle of the village. Have mental illnesses? Get in the box where you belong. Here, have these labels while you are at it. Are you not white? Here, have some more labels and again, get in the box. Are you gay? In the box. Are you disabled in any way? In the box you go. The world is full of this. We could go on and on with all the narratives that exist to attack a particular group of people and everyone has been a victim of it at one or more point in their life.

So having said that, who exactly are you refering to when you talk about "you people"? Because you'll find you are actually talking about yourself because you fit into criteria that has been artificially created to divide society into warring factions in order for the state to have more power and control over people's lives.
It's hard not to have one on your back, unless of course you are so scared, so vulnerable and so weak you dare not take risks and instead stand within the shizophrenic mold that is the everchanging societal expectations of you. If you do choose to define yourself you risk being vilified, but they that's life. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. There is always someone or something that won't like you. There is ALWAYS reason (at least in the world we live) to paint a target on someone's back my friend. It's you one day and someone else the next. That's how it is. If you think you escape that then you are either dead already, or you are delusional.

Therefore it's pretty immature of you to say what you have said considering what you are talking about is what you yourself are a victim of, and unwilling (at least consciously) participant of the same agendas. Furthermore, it's what keeps many people immature, naive and sleepwalking through life. It's why we have so many social problems. It's why we can never find peace. Why there is always someone or something to hate on. Who does it benefit though? Not you and not me. You get nothing out of it other than a crumbling society while those crafting these agendas and implementing them get to create new laws, new realities and new ways to control, manipulate and influence people like you and me. Sound good? Want more of it? Keep supporting it then. It will come full circle though and you will be part of 'bad' tribe once again when the season changes.

Also, I think you might also be a little confused as who you think I actually am. I think you've got the wrong person. You've made a lot of spurious claims about what I've said. So kindly stop projecting whoever you seem to have imagined in your mind onto me. I don't think that represents a stable conversation and it's bizarre to say the least.

This is all there is. There are no mulligans. You don't get another society, another humanity. There are no other worlds for you to live in, no other people, no villages beyond humanity. We are it my friend and I emphasize 'WE' deliberately and intently.
 
right? if you can't prove something then why do people - yourself included? - believe it?

belief in the absence of proof is simply faith.

alasdair

I believe it because I don't want to be on the side that thinks it's acceptable to "make life as difficult as possible" (Macron) for people that don't wish to be injected against their will.
 
Alright, back to non extremely sarcastic posting. Toning it down :)

Guess the vaxxed need the unvaxxed to get vaxxed to protect the vaxxed...

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