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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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In here (Russia), people are deeply parted in their opinions.

1. Some thinks this war is just some kind of madness. (many people). They are against the war at most part.

2. Some believes this is because of risk of union NATO and Ukrainian (official position in the Russia). They are agree with war at most part.

3. Some sees this process in global scale as a part of the world transformation, and this war is just part of big unhumanity game. To destroy old world and make people accept new world order with a mandatory DNA-level human modification drugs and a satanic digital marking of the people. (They are sees a war just as a way to make people of Russia and Ukraine to be as an enemies without any real reason to be so).
In this verision Putin is just a cryptoglobalist. Special agent. Other hand of the same manipulative game.

So, can you make in your imagination the relations between the new world order, the new world covid-rules (DNA-level mandatory, global personal digital vax-id) and this war? If yes, you can understand this version.
 
December Flower said:
I'd blame your education system and the ritualistic repetition of "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"
I don't know, tends to stick if you teach people they are the greatest nation in the world.

Just look at Muricans, they can't even believe their country would do anything fucking horrible,
no everyone is just prouuud to beeee an Americaaan
See here we call that Nationalism

The nationalist "you are the greatest people in the world and nobody else matters" is by far the best brainwashing strategy,
worked in Nazi Germany, and works like a charm in the US
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you're just jealous because it's illegal to be patriotic in Germany

:USA:
 
December Flower said:
Gotta be correct he's a boxer. Ah cmon are you really so eaten up by propaganda? Why would Russia get rid of Yanukovych, that was the Maidan movement. Also if you check further, you'll realize that Yanukovych asked the NATO for help first about selling Ukraine's natural gases and oil. The NATO made him an impossible offer, and that's when he turned to Russia. So the argument that Yanukovych was a so-called "Russian puppet" is just ridiculous.
You know Azov is using civilian places to hide and use civilians as human shields
For that matter, there wouldn't be civilians fighting this, if Ukraine had allowed the males to leave. In fact they force them to fight

so called "non-interference by the US"


Why exactly does Nuland decide who becomes President in the Ukraine?
I wouldn't trust this Müllermilch/Milchschnitte Media Puppet one word, even if he is a boxer
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yea sure - if you believe all of that Russian propaganda, then go ahead and root for them to keep blowing up civilian targets because their might be some "nazis" inside and they're using "human shields"

that's ridiculous

that's just how they justify killing civilians and you eat that up over there in East Germany

:USA:
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
you're just jealous because it's illegal to be patriotic in Germany

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Jokes on you it's pretty much illegal to be patriotic in the US now.

Defending oneself physically against communists lands you in jail and questioning the integrity of the electoral process gets you branded a domestic terrorist.
 
Russian military is taking more hits than it should due to its attempt to minimize civilian casualties.
Compare that with the US method of invasion (Iraq for eg.) where they literally just blow up everything in front of them, civilians included.

Although in the first month of the Gulf War (also based on lies) the US military lost 75 aircraft.

Anyone remember this?
U.S. bombing of Afghanistan hospital not a 'war crime'
Funny I didn't see any American houses lit up in black, red and green. Americans wouldn't even know that's the colours of the Afghan flag (although the flag might be the Taliban flag now).
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
you talk out of the side of your neck about what's going on in my homeland and you don't even fuckin live here


that's how ridiculous you are, grimey
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To be fair the majority of the people who live there have no fucking idea about what's going on- in their own country, let alone in a country that they couldn't point out on a map.

The US government is sending $14 billion to Ukraine.
$20 billion could end homelessness in America.
Americans who are all-in with supporting Ukraine in a war while their country goes to shit deserve the mess that they're currently sinking into.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
you're just jealous because it's illegal to be patriotic in Germany

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That is part of it. Yknow when I say things like "I'm proud about what Germany did since WW2 ended"
..."NAZI!" "Kill the Nazi!" "Nazi's out of Germany!"

So partially sure, I do agree, but on the other hand I know why it's seen this way in Germany,
because national pride can fuck up the entire world, and Hitler and the NSDAP proved that.

I'm always wary of people proud of their nationality.

Mr. Krinkle said:
yea sure - if you believe all of that Russian propaganda, then go ahead and root for them to keep blowing up civilian targets because their might be some "nazis" inside and they're using "human shields"

that's ridiculous

that's just how they justify killing civilians and you eat that up over there in East Germany

:USA:
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Not Russian propaganda, Nuland even admitted to having this conversation.
Assistant Secretary of State. What's she doing deciding the presidency in Ukraine?
Yeaaah...Putin is just paranoid, the West hasn't been provoking war for 30 years, totally.

OK so this is my no-joke zone, call me East German again and I'm out. (no mod deleting that post, even though it's fucking insulting)
Don't call me a fucking Prussian, those are the people we want to burn first.
Wait til Bavaria is a Kingdom again(we wanted to separate from Germany for over 100 years now), none of you fucks would call us German. That's just rude, we're not German. I can call myself German, counting myself to the Bundesrepublik, but to US yokels who don't understand that we're 2 completely different cultures I am a Bav, thank you.

Austria(Österreich / lit.: Eastern Territory) was our East Reich, not the Germans' East Reich. We were a kingdom, we speak a different language, we have a different culture, it's like saying Ireland is England.

Also, no, Germany is entirely full of propaganda right now, you couldn't even find one site telling even a tiny iota of the truth,
100% downright American propaganda in Germany. In Germany they even showed fake explosions(8 years old, or from China, really ridiculous propaganda, especially when the war had just started) and shit like that on TV, I don't fucking believe this country one bit, no matter what it says. Fuck Germany..Wait is that Volksverhetzung? Don't fuck Germany then!
I had to check Swiss, Austrian, American, UK, Australian and French news :) You other countries have free speech which is something we don't have here. America tells us "do this" and we do it.

In Germany everyone who is against the Mass is a "Nazi" full stop.
 
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Mr. Krinkle said:
oh you don't like it now

but it's ok when you make blanket statements about "murica" and all that right?

that's about as hypocritical as can be

but you know what?

fuck all of ya's

:USA:
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well I'm usually hating on your government, so that's pretty much alright.
I don't have anything against the people.

Not your fault your gov keeps education low and rather spends money on war.

If you hated on German gov I wouldn't say anything, German gov is a shipwreck.
Instead you go after me, personally. There's the difference.

Or is it because i said the "fat, yokel, uneducated, etc." thing?
That was how many Germans see the people in the US, not me, I've got American relatives (not blood, but still as real as can be)
Bout half my family is at least partially American, just not my half

My (again not by blood) Grandpa was the smartest person I knew and he was American.
I have nothing, at all, against Americans. I have something against the USA as an organisation
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
whatever dude

you can sit there and claim innocence all you want - but when it comes to being called "East German" i crossed the line

like i said

fuck ya's all
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Yeah kinda. Have I ever called Americans/you West-British? Or the Confederation? Should I start?
Because you're calling me something that doesn't exist anymore. The DDR is gone, we're all BRD

I just hate your government, hands down. I do not trust it one bit, honestly you wouldn't believe some of my elder patients' stories about growing up during WW2, it's fucking unforgivable what the US and the UK did here. Pulling out corpses of other children and women from under the rubble are the light stories. Many are still completely fucking traumatized, 80 years later.

I understand this isn't your opinion, and I respect your opinion, but my fucking hatred of the US and the UK runs very deep.
I might get angry at Americans, but I love Americans, the people. Just fuck your government.
 
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Mr. Krinkle said:
oh you don't like it now

but it's ok when you make blanket statements about "murica" and all that right?

that's about as hypocritical as can be

but you know what?

fuck all of ya's

:USA:
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Krink...please delete the last line. I get that you aren't saying it in a mean spirited manner.....like F You.......but still.

Nobody else gets to write it and just because a new forum is coming and all this will be archived it still is inappropriate.

Please and thanks. I saw it in the one post and let it slide but you did it twice. I would ask anyone that wrote it to delete it.
 
Nurse Ratched said:
Krink...please delete the last line. I get that you aren't saying it in a mean spirited manner.....like F You.......but still.

Nobody else gets to write it and just because a new forum is coming and all this will be archived it still is inappropriate.

Please and thanks. I saw it in the one post and let it slide but you did it twice. I would ask anyone that wrote it to delete it.
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i deleted the whole post...

"fuck ya's all" meant that im done talking to you people

if any of you would like to continue this convo, meet me down in Krink's Pit so i can tell you all what i really think of you and i don't have to be careful with what i have to say

God Bless :USA:

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December Flower said:
1)Funny enough you apparently didn't watch even one entire Putin speech that was subtitled, since Putin never threatened nuclear war,
2)so you're only hearing the live-translators. And you can tell the live-translators lie when they open their mouths?
I wouldn't say that. Live-translation is very hard, it's just used as a way to conceal complex information that might get people to think about this conflict instead of just being loud about it.
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1) Putin heightened nuclear readiness as soon as he got hit with sanctions, that is a threat. What do you think he would say "If you don't trade with me I'm going to blow up your cities muwahahaha!" This is just how politicians talk.. well except maybe trump.
2) What? You are making a lot of assumptions here. Putin broke the Budapest Memorandum, said he wouldn't invade ukraine, and he did, he said he wouldn't target civilians and he did. He said his athletes didn't dope at the olympics, they did with state help. He said ukraine was the one who messed with the US elections, when it was russia. He said he didn't do that gas attack in syria that he did. He said his the chechan war was about 'terrorism' when it became clear afterwards it was just about influence. I could go on. Putin is a serial liar and it has nothing to do with live translations. Literally everything that comes out of his mouth is the opposite of the truth.
 
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