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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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If you are a small nation, having even one nuke is the difference b/t being your own nation and some puppet. NK is a good example, they have managed to stave off western subversion due to nukes and China to a lesser extent.
Well ya but NK is a pretty shitty place to live overall compared to other Korea
 
It's noticeably less expensive in the US compared to just about any Euopean country.
Q; Why?
A; There's more taxation in Europe, so in the US politics keeps the prices down.
But were you saying politics in America keeps prices high? At half the price Europeans pay? :unsure:
Taxes are high af in Europe bc they fund the insane social programs, and the public infrastructure is more substantial. It started rising bc they cut domestic production a ton via banking, canceling pipelines, and halting all leases/permits on federal land. The Russian war caused them to rise considerably more though.
 
@JGrimez Lmao I was literally making this same point to boomers on the internet going “oh muh gerd Pootin literally blew up a womens hospitahl”. The media has never told the truth, and now its a operation of purpose to shade the reality of the situation. Now that they feel threatened about the bio labs being exposed, they are warning Putin essentially that they will Assad him with a fake gas attack if he doesn’t quiet down lol. Gotta admit I do enjoy seeing the cringe fake footage though, I just remember how absurd the one they did for Assad was, they could have waited till the chemical weapons inspection committee wasnt in the country and Assad wasn’t winning his conflict 🤦🏿
So the hospital was not bombed?


 
So the hospital was not bombed?


Imo there’s honestly no way to know the truth of what happened. Both US and Russian state media will have their spin. All I know is I have zero trust in our intelligence agencies and what they leak to the press. They recently were caught for fabricating the Assad gas attack, and this happens all of the time. And pro establishment people are more than happy to pretend it never happened, coupled with the media memory holing it makes it easier. This is why the establishment has been out to destroy all archiving sites. Historical record that is set in stone is the biggest enemy of these fascists.
 
No protests where you live?
OK, but not true everywhere. In countries where dissent is allowed there are a lot of protests against US wars.
Oh great so your people protest. Ours do that too, people are stupid that way, never led anywhere.
Here, entire countries' governments are protesting and sanctioning Russia, no doubt because of the social pressure to do so,
and now Russia is going to take our oil and gas away and Europe will be fucked next winter if this isn't resolved..
wonder which was the first country that spent shitloads of money on this. Nobody said fuck when NATO bombed Yugoslavia.
Huh, never happened to US wonder why

When all think alike, nobody is thinking
 
Oh great so your people protest. Ours do that too, people are stupid that way, never led anywhere.
Here, entire countries' governments are protesting and sanctioning Russia, no doubt because of the social pressure to do so,
and now Russia is going to take our oil and gas away and Europe will be fucked next winter if this isn't resolved..
wonder which was the first country that spent shitloads of money on this. Nobody said fuck when NATO bombed Yugoslavia.
Huh, never happened to US wonder why

When all think alike, nobody is thinking
You're answering your own question now, people don't protest because it does fuck all, we can agree on that.
Voting does fuck all either, I'm not even permitted to vote for or against the government that governs my country of birth while residing in my country of birth. So we get fucked over continually by a government that is answerable to other people in another country only, not to those they govern.
Some people have better luck with "democracy" than others.
How much did Germany spend on that pipeline from Russia that isn't quite finished? Did Russia pay some too?
Was it a trusting purchase gone wrong?
 
Taxes are high af in Europe bc they fund the insane social programs, and the public infrastructure is more substantial. It started rising bc they cut domestic production a ton via banking, canceling pipelines, and halting all leases/permits on federal land. The Russian war caused them to rise considerably more though.
Indeed, except there is nothing insane about treating people well, most countries could do a lot more in that respect, but I'm a socialist so I would say that.
I agree US domestic policy affects the rest of the world, but this time it has little to do with it, except they set a very bad example by breaking international laws and treaties, they aren't the only ones doing that though.
 
Imo there’s honestly no way to know the truth of what happened. Both US and Russian state media will have their spin. All I know is I have zero trust in our intelligence agencies and what they leak to the press. They recently were caught for fabricating the Assad gas attack, and this happens all of the time. And pro establishment people are more than happy to pretend it never happened, coupled with the media memory holing it makes it easier. This is why the establishment has been out to destroy all archiving sites. Historical record that is set in stone is the biggest enemy of these fascists.
That is very true. I do not trust either side at all, and the media has an agenda and just shows or reports what they want people to see.
 
That is very true. I do not trust either side at all, and the media has an agenda and just shows or reports what they want people to see.
You'd think after covid (did it ever really start..) that people would be hip to just how fucking manipulative our establishment is in regards to the public. There are multiple dedicated departments in the UK government specifically for 'behavioral psychology', and the military information warfare unit that was involved.

Or the Iraq war, where we destroyed a nation on the basis of absolute horseshit, where they were clearly willing to murder Dr. David Kelly so as not to interrupt the agenda.

If you believe a single word of our MSM/government at this point then you're totally delusional. How many more countries or lives, abroad or domestically, must we destroy before the public realizes that our establishment is evil and always has been. It's so obvious how much contempt they have for us, and how they view us (livestock to be controlled).

TV is not reality.
 
You're answering your own question now, people don't protest because it does fuck all, we can agree on that.
Voting does fuck all either, I'm not even permitted to vote for or against the government that governs my country of birth while residing in my country of birth. So we get fucked over continually by a government that is answerable to other people in another country only, not to those they govern.
Some people have better luck with "democracy" than others.
How much did Germany spend on that pipeline from Russia that isn't quite finished? Did Russia pay some too?
Was it a trusting purchase gone wrong?
One German company did that: Wintershall AG
7.4 billion

We're not even the size of Texas and have the 4th largest economy on the planet.
7.4 billion are nothing for a company like that.

gas prices are a different issue, esp fcking Diesel (this is per litre not per gallon, just fyi)
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the media has an agenda and just shows or reports what they want people to see

don't you think that the idea that 'the media' is a single, monolithic entity that behaves in only one way on issues is a little simplistic?

it's surely more complex than this?

i'm not suggesting that there aren't many media sources with agendas that are simply not the objective delivery of events but to lump them all in to one basket and demonise them at once seems a little unsophisticated.

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Anybody els find it weird that the news dosent even really mention COVID anymore…I mean the war is bad but if COVID was as big a deal as they made it out to be how come it just became a non issue almost overnight …
 
Anybody els find it weird that the news dosent even really mention COVID anymore…I mean the war is bad but if COVID was as big a deal as they made it out to be how come it just became a non issue almost overnight …
Omicron happened, it wasn't just overnight, there was a steep decline in coverage and whatever already. And in many people's minds COVID was already over.
Also, media wants to make money, whatever gets the clicks and views
 
Omicron happened, it wasn't just overnight, there was a steep decline in coverage and whatever already. And in many people's minds COVID was already over.
Also, media wants to make money, whatever gets the clicks and views
Not really, up until Putin actually started invading COVID was still 90% of what was on MSM, then poof, nothing, kinda funny tbh…it is all about the clicks, you are right about that
 
I’m listening to the news now saying the global death toll just passed six million. It is not that they have stopped talking about Covid it is that more pressing stories have driven the older news out of the top spots. Saying putim cured Covid while Ukrainians are wearing face masks in bomb shelters shows a level of tone deafness that the news can’t help you with. If you don’t understand that the more pressing story; war, will drive the older story; a two year old pandemic out of the top spot no amount of explaining will help you understand anything. Like empathy common sense just doesn’t seem to be a teachable skill.
 
I’m listening to the news now saying the global death toll just passed six million. It is not that they have stopped talking about Covid it is that more pressing stories have driven the older news out of the top spots. Saying putim cured Covid while Ukrainians are wearing face masks in bomb shelters shows a level of tone deafness that the news can’t help you with. If you don’t understand that the more pressing story; war, will drive the older story; a two year old pandemic out of the top spot no amount of explaining will help you understand anything. Like empathy common sense just doesn’t seem to be a teachable skill.
I haven’t seen them mention COVID in a week…for something that was the biggest health travesty of our lifetime it sure seems like it dosent matter anymore, yes the war is big news and horrible things going on lots of people dying, but so is COVID right ? Oh wait, not anymore so fuck it, if you don’t see that as stupid then I don’t know what to tell you
 
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