Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

[JGrimez]

^not obvious to the people whose sense of survival depends upon trusting western mainstream media.

 

[December Flower]

^not obvious to the people whose sense of survival depends upon trusting western mainstream media.

What strikes me as odd is that it's so hard to find anything in the mainstream media of any EU country that even mentions Putin's point,
or why this is happening now, or at least that he cannot have the Ukrainean oil taken by NATO. Nothing of this.

That just smells of WTC 7. Cmon people you are not fucking idiots, why is it so hard to see when the media is blatantly one-sided and you have to dig deep to find out what's happening? That always smells of propaganda, no matter how much people try to dissolve my arguments here.

Germany always wanted peace with Russia, we wanted for Russia to be in NATO.
This is something that the US cannot allow, therefore the only option for the US is to destroy the relationship between Germany and Russia.
The Nord Pipeline would have strengthened EU-Russian relationships, that was a clear no-go for the US government.

If that happens, and the relationship will be destroyed; and mark my words: it will happen,
we won't have electricity for ..days probably, who the fuck even knows. If Russia is forced to end their gas-delivery we're absolutely fucking screwed.

Please just stop meddling in Europe, that's something I would like the US citizens to know,
but you're going to watch your country's plan unfold and see Europe in flames, all the while shouting "boo Russia!"

Wonderful.

If you want to know how "bringing democracy" looks like, Germans can tell you a fucking lot, especially about how the children and women had to clean up rubble, rebuild, pull corpses from the broken homes, all that happened after Germany was defeated. It was pretty much purely civilians, you just bombed our towns. There weren't any more men, really, you bombed towns full of old people, women and children. That's democracy. Hiroshima & Nagasaki come to mind. Please, anyone that doesn't see what the US is should open their eyes.

 

[JGrimez]

That just smells of WTC 7. Cmon people you are not fucking idiots, why is it so hard to see when the media is blatantly one-sided and you have to dig deep to find out what's happening?

That's the thing with obvious examples like 9/11.
People refuse to accept it because it would force them to reexamine everything that they've been led to believe so far.
And that's too difficult for most people.
It's easier to just go along with the narrative - it also feels safer to go along with the crowd:

Why Smart People Are Vulnerable to Putting Tribe Before Truth

If you want to know how "bringing democracy" looks like, Germans can tell you a fucking lot, especially about how the children and women had to clean up rubble, rebuild, pull corpses from the broken homes, all that happened after Germany was defeated. It was pretty much purely civilians, you just bombed our towns. There weren't any more men, really, you bombed towns full of old people, women and children. That's democracy. Hiroshima & Nagasaki come to mind. Please, anyone that doesn't see what the US is should open their eyes.

I was so shocked when I finally took the time to learn about what the Allies did to German cities during the war.

If people consider themselves compassionate then they should show compassion for everyone who suffers. But unfortunately compassion has been weaponized in order to push psychopathic agendas. And the most compassionate people are the ones who most easily fall prey to psychopaths. Sad world.

 

[dalpat077]

Turns out the Holocaust Memorial being destroyed was fake news. A reporter went there and took pictures of it undamaged.

Thank you for “reporting” on this. It’s shameful is it not. No scruples. And I am waiting with baited breath to see if this actually gets addressed or mentioned by mainstream media. And I hope there is serious political blowback. And I am not coming at this from a religious perspective either. It’s the principle of the thing. Do these people not realize that fake news could be a catalyst for something far more serious and devastating.

Thanks again.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I honestly do not give a fuck about whats happening. But putin is fucking crazy lol.

Ima sit back and eat popcorn till my draft gets called up to fight the russians

 

[JGrimez]

I honestly do not give a fuck about whats happening. But putin is fucking crazy lol.

If you don't give a fuck then why do you keep posting the same thing i.e "putin is crazy"?
Sounds like you've gobbled up the media garbage.
Truth is that Putin is actually one of the more intelligent, calculated and restrained global leaders - considering how antagonistic and actually crazy the West has acted against him now for decades. Is he an angel? No. Is he an angel compared to many Western leaders? Close.

 

[mal3volent]

Something tells me all this pro Russia stuff stems from a desire to further discredit Joe as prez. Same thing the libs did to when he was in office. (Don't have a sincere position on issues, just say the opposite stance no matter what)

I personally get tired of the Blame America First crowd....

 

[JGrimez]

It's not even pro-Russia. It's just pro-truth and anti-bullshit.

Imagine if this happened under Trump though..... jeez....

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Something tells me all this pro Russia stuff stems from a desire to further discredit Joe as prez. Same thing the libs did to when he was in office. (Don't have a sincere position on issues, just say the opposite stance no matter what)

I personally get tired of the Blame America First crowd....

i think it's purely that they are under the full influence of Russian propaganda - they're in a trance

Gremlins from the Kremlin are real - that is a big part of their operation - causing a divide here is part of the plan - Russians have made a career out of doing things like that - influencing elections and meddling is what they do

they were the second nuclear power because somebody stole the secret recipe for the crabby patty - that's it - they're really good at what they do

and these guys eat those red lollipops they hand out for free and then they come here and act like they know "the truth"


the truth is is one country is bombing the other country inside their homeland - you don't need to know much else - but they're gonna tell me "its not that simple"


it is that simple

i think we should secure all of the nuclear facilities inside Ukraine - go ahead and fire at us too and we'll fire right back

and ya know what? Russia dragged Belarus into this - so you already involved another country - so that gives us the green light if you ask me


i dont see Russia ever being able to secure the borders of Poland and Slovakia, so between weapons and more fighters that will continue to pour in from the west, Russia did bite off more than it can chew



Now - back to the Joe Biden issue - ya know, its good that he is there because he isn't talking shit like you know who would be right now if he was still president - now that would be a disaster because he cant just shut up - and this is an issue where you speak softly but carry the big stick

we don't need to talk shit - we'd shit on those Russian troops and Putin, which is why he needs to talk shit with the threats

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Sure, I agree somewhat, but just questioning certain things results in getting accused of being a Russia shill.
Like

the truth is is one country is bombing the other country inside their homeland - you don't need to know much else

I agree.

so that gives us the green light if you ask me

Risking nuclear escalation.... No thanks.
There's a reason that Biden, Johnson and NATO in general have generally seemed opposed to a direct intervention. Don't let the other warmongers convince you that it's a good idea, more people want NATO to join every day, that's not a good thing and will only make things worse.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Idk if anybody else noticed, but now everybody wants to join NATO.....

bomb em back

go back to where you came from across the border and we'll stop bombing you back

nobody wants a nuclear war and im not in fear of that and neither should you be

i live right next to the largest stockpile in the US - target #1 - so i'd be gone before anybody else

we've had nukes pointed at each other before we were all born

bombing them back to russia is the only solution

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

but now everybody wants to join NATO.....

Yeah yeah, US must be véry happy with all of this. Especially since China is in a predicament too, an isolated China (from the Western world) is what the US wants. The military complex must also be salivating at the prospect of further escalation.
I wonder what China will do though, I don't think they expected Russia to invade, it's an ugly position to be in. Denouncing would be the way to go and would help with relations with the West, but on the other hand, staying allied to Russia guarantees them a loyal and reliable ally, which will be hard to find in the West with the US running things.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Yea dirtbags usually hang out with each other, so Russia and China can have each other

they can rip each other off and write it off as a cultural thing

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

they can rip each other off and write it off as a cultural thing

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

All the problems in the World are caused by everybody else, never by the United States.

Jesus, look at the European map concerning NATO and their growth in the past 30 years and tell me who's trying to "not poke the bear"
They are poking the bear, again and again. And then some more. And then again. And again.

The first thing Putin did when he got to presidency was "Hey, can I join NATO?"
And our response was "fuck off", not as harsh, but that was the essence.

Yeah it should be obsolete, but both Russia and US do it,
I'm fucking angry at both. But the fucking NATO started this whole "going further east",
there was nothing to be gained from taking allies away from Russia other than to poke the bear, the opposite is true actually we had to spend lots of money to bring those countries to NATO standards,
i.e armed to the teeth.

NATO let Germany in. Ex-Nazi Germany. But not Russia.
Please tell me again people are trying "not to poke the bear", because that is fucking bullshit.
How is that not the fucking worst insult you've ever heard made to a country?
"Yeah we let the Nazis in that systematically murdered people in the millions, but you are too much our enemies"

They want war in Europe. They want to be at a point where we all have to clash with Russia so Russia gets weakened.
I mean stay with your opinion, it's not the US that is going to be fucked if this war starts.

It is so obvious that this whole situation was provoked by the West.

Poke the bear my ass....all sovereign countries are free to join whoever they want

Germany is sorry for what they did in the 20th century - Russia is not - that's the big difference between the 2

 

[December Flower]

Poke the bear my ass....all sovereign countries are free to join whoever they want

Germany is sorry for what they did in the 20th century - Russia is not - that's the big difference between the 2

Ah so why wasn't Russia free to join NATO? Also your ass is not an argument.
WHERE is your argument against the NATO poking the Russians? Can you give me an example of the West not giving Russia shit?
Can you show me how Russia expanded in the last 30 years, as opposed to NATO expanding?
Also: What was the US reason before 2022 to invest heavily into Ukraine and install a pro-NATO government, if not to provoke Russia?

If you can answer one of these questions you might be right.
The true work of any historian is to ask the right questions, so, again: What was USA's reason to invest into Ukraine if not to provoke Russia into a war? Knowing full well that this is it for Russia. It's fight or die, thanks to this NATO move.
The clock is ticking.

And to be fair: investing heavily in a coup and installing a NATO friendly government can hardly be seen as something we want the US to do to European countries, but you do it anyways. You can hardly call this a choice.

I'm going to take into account that you're fine with your state of investigation at this point.
Not personal, just something to think about when I read your opinions in the future.

Like most Americans, you are sadly blind to the fucking scary country you live in.
I'm fucking scared of you, and the rest of the world is fucking scared of you.
Just because you are not doesn't make you the good guys.
You're just fucking Stormtroopers.

It's always best to judge from the safe zone.
Nobody asked you Americans to ruin Europe with your constant fucking meddling, but you did it anyways.
Now you have the audacity to judge Europe for being ruined.
Fuck you, US, srsly. You and your fucking brainwashed nazi populus.

It's such a shame. You obviously came into this issue pre-programmed and you did not drop your programming to learn more.
I thought so much more of you I just feel silly now...

Also you're talking shit. Russia apologized over and over since 1956
Not to the world: to its people. It only really hurt its own people, so...

What news sources do you use? US only?
WTC 7 dude, your media is just a circus to keep you stupid.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Ah so why wasn't Russia free to join NATO? Also your ass is not an argument.
WHERE is your argument against the NATO poking the Russians? Can you give me an example of the West not giving Russia shit?
Can you show me how Russia expanded in the last 30 years, as opposed to NATO expanding?
Also: What was the US reason before 2022 to invest heavily into Ukraine and install a pro-NATO government, if not to provoke Russia?

If you can answer one of these questions you might be right.
The true work of any historian is to ask the right questions, so, again: What was USA's reason to invest into Ukraine if not to provoke Russia into a war? Knowing full well that this is it for Russia. It's fight or die, thanks to this NATO move.
The clock is ticking.

Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 - remember that?

 

[December Flower]

Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 - remember that?

That's not an answer. First that's only half the truth,
and second: What was America's interest in Ukraine before 2022?!
It is of no geopolitical significance for America, and it is all the geopolitical significance for Russia.

An idiot could see this. Jesus fuck are you so in love with the USA?!

 

[December Flower]

I'm German, we hate Russia with a fucking passion.
Their soldiers burned our villages, raped our women, fucking cruel march through the north-east of Germany.
Fucking unspeakable.

But anyone with a brain has to see how Russia is being bullied into this situation.
Even if you think the US is correct, you have to know that this is all bait to send Russia into war

 

[December Flower]

That's the thing with obvious examples like 9/11.
People refuse to accept it because it would force them to reexamine everything that they've been led to believe so far.
And that's too difficult for most people.
It's easier to just go along with the narrative - it also feels safer to go along with the crowd:

Why Smart People Are Vulnerable to Putting Tribe Before Truth



I was so shocked when I finally took the time to learn about what the Allies did to German cities during the war.

If people consider themselves compassionate then they should show compassion for everyone who suffers. But unfortunately compassion has been weaponized in order to push psychopathic agendas. And the most compassionate people are the ones who most easily fall prey to psychopaths. Sad world.

It's so shocking, you just need to know about WTC 7 and you know the government did lie,
and very non-chalantly. How is it not obvious how much the US government lies about?
There was no reason for Afghanistan, other than to kill a dictator they had financed in the 80s.
It's so ridiculous, I just don't get how it's not obvious...

What the Allies did to the German population is fucking unforgiveable. We have never forgiven you,
maybe our government but not the people. I have a lot of elderly patients who grew up in the post war.

You have no fucking idea how bad it was. They all had no fucking childhood.
They had to be adults often at 6 or 7 years old. I mean pull corpses from rubble as a child, it's going to follow you around forever.
The patient I was referring to still hasn't forgotten it, especially the image of a young woman he had to pull out of the rubble haunts him.