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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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deficiT said:
Idk I've always appreciated AP for being fairly unbiased, that's what I read pretty much daily.

I'm curious what constitutes real news to you. I mean, if we aren't going to believe reporters that have been there and recorded video evidence, who are we going to believe?

At a certain point, for there to be any progress in public discourse, people have to come to an agreement on what constitutes reality. You'd think this would be simple but it's not.
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Nice post. If only it were that simple. We all been jumping from one leg to another since beginning 2020 and never knowing what is real or credible insofar as the media is concerned and it’s a travesty just look at all of the fights and unkindness their bullshit has been responsible for right here on BL.

FOR WHAT IT’s worth I now try to get info. From various corroborating sources. It sucks And not something anybody should need to do in my opinion while some may laugh the coverage of these events is top notch on BBC WORLD NEWS RADIO. Backdrop video They actually interview people that are right there. And because it’s radio there’s no need for sensationalist video footage seems to me. So if I hear something on there then I try find some corroborating news or video footage and based on that: the AP article and pics. are not far off the mark.and YT (whoever the fuck) has disabled all Russian feeds so no RT so much for freedom of expression and free speech. But fuck me just let Russia merely slow down FB and Twitter (slow down mind you not disable them )outright) and everyone apoplectic

Meanwhile and in other news: spare a thought for Australia they getting fucked over with floods big time and we got a lot of Aussiefriends and supporters here no?
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
so you dont think they deserve to have Molotovs thrown at them?

because they're really just peacekeepers and they should be nice to the Russian liberators
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Just look at Crimea.

The state severed from Ukraine, and Russia had soldiers there to protect them from Ukraine.
Western media spin: Russia annexed Crimea, practical.

Same the 2 states in the east, Donbask and Jesus I can't remember the name, Lugansk thanks brain,
they voted to become their own countries. Ukraine bombed them, killed Russians there for 8 years, yeah civilian Russians, those live there. Russia sent help. Hell the Russian language is forbidden in Ukraine, and like 30% of Ukrainians are Russians.
Western media spin: Russia annexed them.

Oh right just remembered. So the river blockade the Ukrainian's built so the Crimeans don't get water anymore (yeah the civilians)
Russia wants to reopen the blockade, Western media spin(at least in Germany): "Now they want to misuse the river to give Crimea water, that's the river the Ukraine gets water from", mhm.
 
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Mr. Krinkle said:
that was my point

nobody takes them seriously here

so we agree

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Yeah the Nazis claim is the "noble European heritage",
you kind of have that but not really, because you severed from Europe and fought not to be British.

And leaning on American heritage, and how great the US is..
I think that's just called a Republican.
 
Looks like this building will get destroyed soon.

Ministry of Defense Russia: "To prevent information attacks against Russia, high-precision weapons will strike at the technological facilities of the SBU and the 72nd main PSO center in Kiev."

 
December Flower said:
Ukraine voted against it, not US

US started it, and Ukraine voted against anti-nazism, against anti-neonazism and against anti-xenophobia.
Does anyone have an argument about that, or are they just the poor little peanuts that get attacked by the big bad Russia?

I find it atrocious that you know most of US media is lies, it's all lies, the Corona politics, the stuff they tell you about Syria,
but when it's con-Russia, the enemy they've been trying to undermine as much as possible since the Cold Wars, suddenly they tell you the truth?! Wtf. Just wtf.

After they've been planning this conflict for 30 years. Just look at the NATO's movements and try not to laugh at the obsurdity.
If Ukraine becomes NATO Russia is dead, it's his only choice to attack.

Well, as Putin said in his speech, controlling public opinion is very strong, and he's going to be the bad guy no matter what he does.
He can't let it happen. And it's against the Lenin agreement anyways. They're not allowed to be non-socialist. Russia's been looking the other way 5 times, 5 socialist states becoming NATO, but now it's Ukraine. 1. The best way to attack Russia is through Ukraine, and 2. With Ukraine's oil and natural gas, Europe would get gas from Ukraine instead of Russia, and the power of Russia which relies almost solely on oil would be gone.

And the US are not the aggressor somehow :ROFLMAO: They're going to be like "WHAT?! We had no idea! But we're going to crush this evil enemy now! Because they're evil" - and the populus will say "Yay", nay "Hurray!". Then innocents dying will be worth 2 fucks, because they're "evil".

Worked with Germany too. A patient of mine told me a story of how he had to pull dead bodies out of broken houses after the American bombings. He was 7 years old. The Russians didn't bomb us, they just won the war on the ground, soldier vs soldier. US bombed our Civilians in the tens of thousands. But you're great, all in the name of justice. That far over 90% of Germany's population had no idea what was going on (See KZ Theresienstadt for example, Germans were given a show of "what's happening inside concentration camps" only that the camps were pretty fancy prisons. Just look at Theresienstadt it's ridiculous how tacky it is) is just icing on the cake. Nobody cared about those deaths, because we were German and evil. Same is going to happen to Russia, mark my words.
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so what am i being lied to about this time?

the Russians aren't really attacking the Ukraine? is it the other way around? is that whats happening in the German news?
 
December Flower said:
Yeah the Nazis claim is the "noble European heritage",
you kind of have that but not really, because you severed from Europe and fought not to be British.

And leaning on American heritage, and how great the US is..
I think that's just called a Republican.
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my people came from Italy in the 1890s - so anything before that, had nothing to do with my ppl

you guys are all shitting on the US and i say well it's not that bad, and you call me a Republican

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December Flower said:
Because I actually did talk to some Slavic and Ukrainian friends here, a
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See I don’t have that privilege. Hence my mentioning radio earlier. I swear those dudes have interviewed every single Ukrainian that has gone across one of the borders. Also interview many Russian Citizens to get their take on things and no I do not work for the BBC. And I cannot even stick my head out and say that they are (relatively) neutral because somehow they manage to fuck it up at the end of each segment with some anti-Russian interviewee or opinion piece. Pity.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
so what am i being lied to about this time?

the Russians aren't really attacking the Ukraine? is it the other way around? is that whats happening in the German news?
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No I'm explaining why Russia doesn't have a choice.
The original aggressor is the NATO, there's no doubt about it.
After promising to Russia not to move farther East, they did so, five times,
getting military bases all around Russia.

Now it's Ukraine, and Ukraine has a fucking motherlode of an oil source.
If Ukraine = NATO, then Russia = no money from oil, if Russia = no money from oil, then Russia = dead.
It's been the USA's plan for over 30 years, and they finally got to this point.

Mr. Krinkle said:
my people came from Italy in the 1890s - so anything before that, had nothing to do with my ppl

you guys are all shitting on the US and i say well it's not that bad, and you call me a Republican

:laughing:
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Oh life in the US is sure great.

It's life outside of US/NATO i'm concerned about.

I mean Yugoslavia?



They were our fucking neighbours.

Not being NATO is dangerous mojo.
I just want to say I am fucking scared of the USA.
 
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deficiT said:
Idk I've always appreciated AP for being fairly unbiased, that's what I read pretty much daily.

I'm curious what constitutes real news to you. I mean, if we aren't going to believe reporters that have been there and recorded video evidence, who are we going to believe?

At a certain point, for there to be any progress in public discourse, people have to come to an agreement on what constitutes reality. You'd think this would be simple but it's not.
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That's a good question and difficult to answer. Often time it takes many years of honest analysis to discern what is most likely fabricated or a likely true story from a certain region. I used to think AP and Reuters were good sources until they started publishing blatant BS over the recent years. Personally I find SOTT.net the most honest and unbiased source of news.

Meanwhile:

A story that sounds completely made up is going viral as the information war ramps up concerning the conflict in Ukraine. A Russian professor has claimed that Vladimir Putin has moved his entire family into a secret underground city built to withstand a nuclear holocaust.

summit.news

Report: Putin Has Moved His Family Into Siberian ‘Underground City’ Designed To Survive Nuclear War

Comments of crackpot professor probably completely made up. Posting it on Facebook is fine though, unlike any link to RT or Sputnik News
summit.news
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dalpat077 said:
See I don’t have that privilege. Hence my mentioning radio earlier. I swear those dudes have interviewed every single Ukrainian that has gone across one of the borders. Also interview many Russian Citizens to get their take on things and no I do not work for the BBC. And I cannot even stick my head out and say that they are (relatively) neutral because somehow they manage to fuck it up at the end of each segment with some anti-Russian interviewee or opinion piece. Pity.
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In our media we had an interview of a Ukrainian woman sitting in Germany, filming herself crying hysterically about the situation.

That's the moment where I said "OK there's something wrong with this"

They showed explosions from 2014, and one from a Chinese war as "this is happening right now in Ukraine", it was pretty fucked up.

That's when I had to turn to other media, and turn to friends who get Eastern media as well as Western media, to get a larger piece of the truth

(bout a third of our population is Slavic btw, so pretty easy to get a bigger picture here)
 
We are reaching levels of cringe that are genuinely painful

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FIFA bans international competitions in Russia, players to participate under the name "Football Union of Russia"

^Like at the Olympics, FIFA will only ban Russians from using their flag, anthem, country's name and right to play at home, but they can still compete in a "neutral" country.
These globalist org attacks are centered around denying the Russians the right to bring glory and prestige to their flag and country.
They're doing to an entire nation what they do to white people inside America.
www.nytimes.com

FIFA Proposes Penalties for Russia but No Ban, Yet (Published 2022)

The restrictions proposed by soccer’s governing body for a World Cup playoff next month stopped short of the all-out ban Russia’s opponents have demanded.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The retaliation against Russia seems centered around forcing individual citizens (particularly the bourgeois elements) to choose between love for their nation and being an individual world citizen.

"Guy currently stuck in Kiev says the Ukrainians are winning the information war, but the Russians are winning the actual war."
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The following is a status report of what appears to be happening at this time (2022. 02. 27 at 12:00 noon Kiev time) in the Russian invasion of Ukraine:

"I am trying to be as realistic as possible. I mean no disrespect or animus to either the Ukrainian side or the Russian side. I am not in any sense questioning the bravery of the soldiers of any nation, nor do I mean to give any offense. I live permanently in Ukraine, I love the Ukrainian people, and my children are Ukrainian citizens. In what I am about to say, I am trying to give a realistic, sober assessment of the current state of play.

The Russians have entered the center of Kharkiv, I know this from eyewitness accounts of people that I know there. There is small arms fighting, but generally light resistance. In the south, Kherson has fallen and the Russian army seems to have captured Zaporozhia. It seems clear that Dnipro will be reached within 3 to 5 days. At this time, Kiev is being surrounded by Russian tanks. There is sporadic small arms fire outside the city, but no big battles.

The Russian strategy seems to be to encircle the cities, while destroying military installations. The vast majority of civilian infrastructure in the areas under attack have been untouched and are functioning normally. It also seems very clear that the Russians have used their older equipment and less experienced soldiers in this initial assault. Very few of the high-tech modern weaponry that the Russians possess are being used in this first push. This would lead one to believe that the Russians want to probe and exhaust Ukrainian defenses before bringing out top-tier men and materiel.

The Russians are being incredibly disciplined insofar as their information management is concerned. The only information coming out of the Russians comes directly from the Ministry of Defense or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Their information so far has been 100% accurate, which I think is a deliberate strategy. There has been a great deal of Ukrainian propaganda that turned out to be complete fantasy, but even after these stories have been proven to be false, people cling to them.

At the current pace of operations, the Russians will completely capture Ukraine within 7 to 14 days. They are winning, and winning decisively. Maps comparing the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 to this current mechanized invasion show that the Russians are outpacing the Americans by a substantial margin. And as I said, they are using their second-tier men and weapons, and they did not use air power to soften Ukraine for several weeks, as the Americans did in 2003. Any claims that the Ukrainians are winning or holding back the Russians is complete fantasy.

This is the current state of play as I perceive it at this time."

Gonzalo Lira
Kiev, Ukraine
 
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