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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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The shelled apartment buildings and city squares tells a different story about "minimizing casualties". Now, I'm not saying Russia is indiscriminately carpet bombing or committing genocide, but I don't think they're too worried about civilian casualties as they are specifically attacking civilian targets.


Russia. Russia is. Ya know, the ones launching large ground invasions and shelling cities?

Right....i mean idk what these guys are seeing

Russia went into the Ukraine - the Ukraine didn't go into Russia

200,000 refugees so far have poured into the west....women, children, elderly....but it's the west's fault

gimme a break....
 
Yeah... I'm always all for blaming the West and the US, but some consistency is warranted.
Neo-nazis or not (I believe Svoboda did reach like 10% in one election), plenty of regular people in there that have to run. Gotta condemn that.

I don't agree at all with arming citizens and inviting foreigners to fight though, I understand why they did, but it's asking for a slaughter.
 
This is fake news meant to make Russia look bad.
If it were true that Russians were attempting to minimize civilian casualties, do you think the western Mockingbird media would report that? Highly unlikely.
Idk I've always appreciated AP for being fairly unbiased, that's what I read pretty much daily.

I'm curious what constitutes real news to you. I mean, if we aren't going to believe reporters that have been there and recorded video evidence, who are we going to believe?

At a certain point, for there to be any progress in public discourse, people have to come to an agreement on what constitutes reality. You'd think this would be simple but it's not.
 
Anyone has any info on the famed mercenary companies? They must be having a field day.

Russia has some, US has some too (mostly composed of veterans, like Blackwater), I'm sure they're stationed in Ukraine.
 
Yeah... I'm always all for blaming the West and the US, but some consistency is warranted.
Neo-nazis or not (I believe Svoboda did reach like 10% in one election), plenty of regular people in there that have to run. Gotta condemn that.

I don't agree at all with arming citizens and inviting foreigners to fight though, I understand why they did, but it's asking for a slaughter.
Not only foreigners invited.As i heard Zelenski relieve from prison hardcore criminals to join the fight.Possible is truth.
 
And just to add to the shit: an American delegation just arrived in Taiwan. China not too happy apparently. There’s the next shit show coming I am almost certain.
 
As well can we please stop with the self righteous bullshit? Or at least give it a rest for a bit?

Stop going on diatribes about how everyone's dumb, stop telling people they need go read more, or they don't understand, whatever.

It makes having conversations in here a complete nightmare and it just adds to everyone's frustration.
If we can go only with frustration i will be really happy.War.Fear of nuclear war.Thats the reallity.I can pray.Or give a shelter for refugee.Just in this situation our problems seems to me not so big problems.
 
Oh stop

So why did the U.S. vote against it? probably because it had something to do with freedom of speech, and with freedom of speech, you get the good with the bad - but the benefits outweigh the risks (here we go with that again right? )

see they don't give you the details in that article, just that the US voted against it, so they must be nazis too lol

we in the US don't put people in jail for using the sieg heil salute - you guys in Germany do that - we don't because you have the right sieg heil all you want - you might get beat up for it but that's besides the point
Ukraine voted against it, not US

US started it, and Ukraine voted against anti-nazism, against anti-neonazism and against anti-xenophobia.
Does anyone have an argument about that, or are they just the poor little peanuts that get attacked by the big bad Russia?

I find it atrocious that you know most of US media is lies, it's all lies, the Corona politics, the stuff they tell you about Syria,
but when it's con-Russia, the enemy they've been trying to undermine as much as possible since the Cold Wars, suddenly they tell you the truth?! Wtf. Just wtf.

After they've been planning this conflict for 30 years. Just look at the NATO's movements and try not to laugh at the obsurdity.
If Ukraine becomes NATO Russia is dead, it's his only choice to attack.

Well, as Putin said in his speech, controlling public opinion is very strong, and he's going to be the bad guy no matter what he does.
He can't let it happen. And it's against the Lenin agreement anyways. They're not allowed to be non-socialist. Russia's been looking the other way 5 times, 5 socialist states becoming NATO, but now it's Ukraine. 1. The best way to attack Russia is through Ukraine, and 2. With Ukraine's oil and natural gas, Europe would get gas from Ukraine instead of Russia, and the power of Russia which relies almost solely on oil would be gone.

And the US are not the aggressor somehow :ROFLMAO: They're going to be like "WHAT?! We had no idea! But we're going to crush this evil enemy now! Because they're evil" - and the populus will say "Yay", nay "Hurray!". Then innocents dying will be worth 2 fucks, because they're "evil".

Worked with Germany too. A patient of mine told me a story of how he had to pull dead bodies out of broken houses after the American bombings. He was 7 years old. The Russians didn't bomb us, they just won the war on the ground, soldier vs soldier. US bombed our Civilians in the tens of thousands. But you're great, all in the name of justice. That far over 90% of Germany's population had no idea what was going on (See KZ Theresienstadt for example, Germans were given a show of "what's happening inside concentration camps" only that the camps were pretty fancy prisons. Just look at Theresienstadt it's ridiculous how tacky it is) is just icing on the cake. Nobody cared about those deaths, because we were German and evil. Same is going to happen to Russia, mark my words.
 
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Russia. Russia is. Ya know, the ones launching large ground invasions and shelling cities?
Ah but then why is Russia so intent on not killing Civilians?

If Putin is really this totalitarian monster you make him up to be, why why why is he so intent on not killing Civilians,
but only the ultranationalists? Hell, Russia has lost many soldiers already and they're still trying to hold back as much as possible,
with Molotovs being thrown at them.

It just doesn't add up
 
I just said they do this in my previous comment. Russia's like a child that can't get attention from it's mother so it acts out to get attention and its way. Russia right now is the only country right now that is being investigated for war crimes that are on video. It's clear who Ukraine wants to side with there's no discussion about that. Ukrainians want nothing to do with that and Putin will have all his conscripts and soldiers killed in vain for a country he will never have influence and control again. If people really wanted Russian they would have embraced the invasion but they didn't.


If a western-backed government isn't considered a legit government either is a Russian-backed government.
Who's Russia's mother? Now i'm curious

Also super funny: Which Ukrainians did you talk to about their personal opinion? :)
Because I actually did talk to some Slavic and Ukrainian friends here, and it's not as clear to them what they want and how they think of the war, as it is to you. Also show me the war crimes on video pls. Kharkiv? Because Zelensky said so?! :ROFLMAO: The motherfucker that doesn't allow his people to flee if they want to?
 
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Oh God!Criminal gangs ambushes the running refugees-women and children and robbed them.Animals!
 
i worked in a prison

Arian Brotherhood aren't nazis

even the skinheads don't like them

if the skins dont like em, they're not nazis
Nobody takes American Nazis seriously.
Especially not Europeans. You are American.
The thought alone is ridiculous. None of them are Nazis,
and they can call themselves Nazis all day long.
 
The shelled apartment buildings and city squares tells a different story about "minimizing casualties". Now, I'm not saying Russia is indiscriminately carpet bombing or committing genocide, but I don't think they're too worried about civilian casualties as they are specifically attacking civilian targets.
Careful here, they gave everyone 3 days to go move away or go underground.
They didn't stop Civilians from fleeing or hiding.
 
Ah but then why is Russia so intent on not killing Civilians?

If Putin is really this totalitarian monster you make him up to be, why why why is he so intent on not killing Civilians,
but only the ultranationalists? Hell, Russia has lost many soldiers already and they're still trying to hold back as much as possible,
with Molotovs being thrown at them.

It just doesn't add up

so you dont think they deserve to have Molotovs thrown at them?

because they're really just peacekeepers and they should be nice to the Russian liberators
 
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