Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

[dalpat077]

you need to seek help for your twitter addiction buddy

That's also not nice. Not that it makes any difference to you (and shouldn't) but I for one appreciate the links. I don't have a Twitter account and not about to open one now. For me: I find it nice to have the relevvant information collected and accessible in one place. The dude is making an effort and showing interest in the topic and that's good enough.

 

[dalpat077]

putin has been killing children. Thats inexcusable. if your gonna fight a war kill the adult men.

Nah. C'mon. That's unfair. I believe the American term for that is "collateral damage". How do you avoid that happening? I don't see a door-to-door search in an apartment block as being an option under such circumstances (so as to be able to clearly mark and identify those apartments where children are present).

Here's one for ya:

Just yesterday morning the BBC interviewed two young Ukranian girls (13 and 16) left at home in Kiev while their parents went on holiday somewhere to Europe last Wednesday morning and before this all kicked off (thinking that because of all of the media hype and bullshit and that nothing has happened it was just not going to happen). Were it not for the one's boyfriend who was able to drive them to a border and get them out of Kiev they'd still be stuck in their apartment on their own. NOW I dunno. I'm not the most compassionate or empathetic person on the planet but I cannot think of a any reason that I'd fuck off to go on a holiday leaving my kids behind on their own (and not to mention the pets) when there was even the remotest possibility of something like this kicking off. I MAY have left YOU home alone! And you and I fucked up. We should have left and gone to Ukraine, and picked up our free AK47s then jumped the border to Russia and come bouncing back across to Ukraine, all nicely armed to the teeth (at no cost to the Russian Federation).

 

[December Flower]

That was my point yesterday. And I agree with you.

I don't feel competent enough to pick a side,
but I see many taking a side without taking into account all that is happening.

Azov Battalion, The "Library", the 30-year NATO-advance into ex UDSSR territory,
the oil, Putin has no other choice if he wants to keep Russia alive as it is, and the West knows this,
still our media portraits him as "He's losing his mind, kill him fast" - all of what he does is very calculated,
and there is a big fat red thread of logic behind his actions, but the West pretends he's just going insane,
and there's no reasoning whatsoever he just attackin. Russia's power in Europe is GONE if Ukraine becomes NATO.
Completely fucking obliterated.

This deliberate desinformation campaign just makes me believe the NATO's side less,
no matter if they're right or wrong. All they show is "look at the poor Ukraineans",
although it is Ukraine's own president that PROHIBITED all males between 16 and 60 from leaving the country.

Na he's the hero, hands down. I hate this digging through media for a kernel of truth.

 

[AutoTripper]

And yeah lol, just ftr.

We DID have Trump. As in we "had" Trump.

And yet there is the Russian mess. Maybe that's why Trump just needed ro go. So much easier to just let Russia kick up a war with Biden eating chocolate chip ice cream no real expectations or duty.

Just slam Putin in the press daily is enough.

Trump did his job good. I still feel maybe he believed he would seat the throne still though because he acted very well about being pissed 2 Novembers ago.

 

[nznity]

Putin

Putin is inmortal, he's like the final boas from an impossible game of war in super hard mode

 

[JGrimez]

This is USA's fault (hardly surprising).

There was an agreement with Russia that the West would not push NATO forces eastward. They lied and continued to do so.
They agreed that Ukraine would remain neutral. They lied.

The US carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to remove a democratically-elected government and to install a US-friendly government. The new illegitimate Ukrainian government then proceeded to massacre their own civilians in the Donbass (over 14,000 dead since 2014). You didn't hear a peep about that on the news. Nobody cried for the "poor Ukrainians" back then because the TV didn't tell them to. What's happening now is pure hypocrisy based on ignorance and propaganda.

The equivalent would be this - imagine if Russia carried out a coup in Mexico, installed a Russia-friendly government there and then stationed a bunch of their troops along the US border. And placed some of their nukes in the region for good measure.
Would the USA do nothing about it? Of course not.
The USA would enter Mexico, except the media would say that it was a justified defensive measure based on covert Russian aggression.
However when the tables are turned it's a different story. But we shouldn't expect less from the Mockingbird media.

 

[JGrimez]

 

[dalpat077]

Putin is inmortal, he's like the final boas from an impossible game of war in super hard mode

Don't joke. Just yesterday and repeated today I see we got some big cheese (bishop) in the Ukrainian Orthodox church saying he's the anti-christ. A good way to improve relations wouldn't you say! Russian Orthodox not too happy about it apparently. Anyway: I guess that President Xi jinping off of the hook then.

Ukrainian bishop: Putin is the 'anti-Christ of our current time'

A Ukrainian archbishop and spokesman for the Orthodox Church of Ukraine condemned Russian President Vladimir Putin as the “anti-Christ of our current time" as Russia invades Ukraine.

www.foxnews.com

Well if anything I'm glad it's him. Told ya: he'll outlive us all (if true doesn't that ensure he's President until ...). Also means there's time to get my shit together and shake the man's hand.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Liberators

that's what we are



it's a true story!

 

[December Flower]

This is USA's fault (hardly surprising).

There was an agreement with Russia that the West would not push NATO forces eastward. They lied and continued to do so.
They agreed that Ukraine would remain neutral. They lied.

The US carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to remove a democratically-elected government and to install a US-friendly government. The new illegitimate Ukrainian government then proceeded to massacre their own civilians in the Donbass (over 14,000 dead since 2014). You didn't hear a peep about that on the news. Nobody cried for the "poor Ukrainians" back then because the TV didn't tell them to. What's happening now is pure hypocrisy based on ignorance and propaganda.

The equivalent would be this - imagine if Russia carried out a coup in Mexico, installed a Russia-friendly government there and then stationed a bunch of their troops along the US border. And placed some of their nukes in the region for good measure.
Would the USA do nothing about it? Of course not.
The USA would enter Mexico, except the media would say that it was a justified defensive measure based on covert Russian aggression.
However when the tables are turned it's a different story. But we shouldn't expect less from the Mockingbird media.

To be fair, that agreement was solely verbal, and only the agreement of one president, I believe Ford.
No one president can say "that's the way our nation is going to act, forever", one of the many ways your government has to dodge out of danger if anything happens "that was that guy's idea, the government didn't do jack shit", but still...
It's still a dick move by the US and further shows what a deal with them is worth when they want something.

I stand by the belief that your government is the root of evil in this world,
but Russia isn't innocent either. The conflict between these superpowers will always hover above humanity,
a chess board where we wouldn't even suffice as pawns.

 

[Nas47]

My problem with this whole situation is this





These guys have been made part of the official Ukrainean army to conceal them,
but they are still there. That's the Nazis Putin is referring to.

But now the West pretends like "What Nazis? We didn't see any Nazis!"

Although it was all over the News before Corona.


Why is the West now denying that these people exist? That smells fishy to me.
The US funded these guys in order to destabilize Ukraine. It's a dick move, Putin's going to look power-crazy no matter what he does.
These people are very anti-Russian, and it's now even illegal in parts of Ukraine to speak Russian, and they have a high Russian population.

That's the desperation he speaks of. The West promised Russia ending Cold War "the Nato is not going to move another centimetre East",
but since then it did, five times. They're closing in on him and now he feels threatened.

He's old, and he doesn't have much to lose,
this is such a dangerous situation

Many far-rights group right there.They terorized russians in the eastern parts a lot.

 

[December Flower]

Many far-rights group right there.They terorized russians in the eastern parts a lot.

sadly there is none of that information given through official channels.
Hell in German media they just call him insane right now, no other information,
I had to go through British media to find out a kernel of truth.
"Putin lost his mind. Shucks."

Like not a SINGLE media agency in Germany telling the truth.
That just grinds my gears.

And with many things the German media just pretends "yeah that could be fake",
but the rocket hitting the building: Russian rocket, no questions asked.
You only see the rocket, how could anyone tell who shot it?
Same with the tank that crushes a car. Russian tank, no questions asked.
THEY USE THE SAME TANKS, wtf even

It's so fucked up

Another example the 2 pro-Russian regions that seperated from Ukraine.
14.000 deaths, ok. They pretend the 14.000 are Ukraineans, they're not.
The 14.000 were because Ukraine bombed these regions, wtf media

Worst thing: "Ukraine President is a Jew, how could he be a Nazi?"
I don't fucking know ever heard of Zionists?!
He still financed the far-right battalions in his country, so..is he?!

Yeah sure, "to protect his country", did he?!
If he cared about his people he wouldn't prohibit males from leaving,
but leave it up to them if they want to fight or not.

He's telling them "flee the country and you will never be able to come back"
ofc 90% of Ukraine's population stays in Ukraine. The males have to stay and the women don't want to leave them.
Fucking media circus. It's becoming so fucking obvious that we're being played,
but nobody pays any attention to it. Just "poor Ukraine" - it would be poor Ukraine if Russia did war the American way,
but he's actually trying to spare as many civilians as possible

 

[Nas47]

This clown

sadly there is none of that information given through official channels.
Hell in German media they just call him insane right now, no other information,
I had to go through British media to find out a kernel of truth.
"Putin lost his mind. Shucks."

Like not a SINGLE media agency in Germany telling the truth.
That just grinds my gears.

And with many things the German media just pretends "yeah that could be fake",
but the rocket hitting the building: Russian rocket, no questions asked.
You only see the rocket, how could anyone tell who shot it?
Same with the tank that crushes a car. Russian tank, no questions asked.
THEY USE THE SAME TANKS, wtf even

It's so fucked up

Another example the 2 pro-Russian regions that seperated from Ukraine.
14.000 deaths, ok. They pretend the 14.000 are Ukraineans, they're not.
The 14.000 were because Ukraine bombed these regions, wtf media

Worst thing: "Ukraine President is a Jew, how could he be a Nazi?"
I don't fucking know ever heard of Zionists?!
He still financed the far-right battalions in his country, so..is he?!

Yeah sure, "to protect his country", did he?!
If he cared about his people he wouldn't prohibit males from leaving,
but leave it up to them if they want to fight or not.

He's telling them "flee the country and you will never be able to come back"
ofc 90% of Ukraine's population stays in Ukraine. The males have to stay and the women don't want to leave them.
Fucking media circus. It's becoming so fucking obvious that we're being played,
but nobody pays any attention to it. Just "poor Ukraine" - it would be poor Ukraine if Russia did war the American way,
but he's actually trying to spare as many civilians as possible

This clown Zelenski want Ukraine right now in EU.???,WTF?Thats mean total war.World gives him a guns?Give him food,meds..etc...not guns.This clown could burn Europe and the world.If it not war even Ukraine like EU member?hahaha They steal more then us.Bye,bye Europe if this happens.And that Ursula..what a abomination is that.This idiots just push the world into the WW3.In fact-theres a lot,a lot of neo-nazi war brigades,which are part of official ukraine army?

 

[Electrum1]

 

[Nas47]

Yes.All you said is right.!Thats the way it is....now if we all die not blame Putin,which is a tyrant no doubt,but Zelenski,his far-right friends and the greedy,selfish West.Fuck!!!!

 

[December Flower]

This clown

This clown Zelenski want Ukraine right now in EU.???,WTF?Thats mean total war.World gives him a guns?Give him food,meds..etc...not guns.This clown could burn Europe and the world.If it not war even Ukraine like EU member?hahaha They steal more then us.Bye,bye Europe if this happens.And that Ursula..what a abomination is that.This idiots just push the world into the WW3.In fact-theres a lot,a lot of neo-nazi war brigades,which are part of official ukraine army?

Yeah. Just watched an interview with Vitali Klitschko (who is the mayor of Kyiv.)
He described the army as "patriotic", haha. Cute description.
A huge part of the army is far-right. Used to be Azov Battalion, but they were made part of the official army





They openly use SS symbols. Their fucking flag has a Wolfsangel on it
These guys are completely fucked up, and guess who is getting all the weapons the NATO are sending.

Great job, peacekeepers.

Funniest part: "Our symbol is not a nazi symbol"

SURE it's not. OH it's mirrored, yeah then ofc it's not a nazi symbol

 

[Electrum1]

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[Nas47]

Yeah. Just watched an interview with Vitali Klitschko (who is the mayor of Kyiv.)
He described the army as "patriotic", haha. Cute description.
A huge part of the army is far-right. Used to be Azov Battalion, but they were made part of the official army





They openly use SS symbols. Their fucking flag has a Wolfsangel on it
These guys are completely fucked up, and guess who is getting all the weapons the NATO are sending.

Great job, peacekeepers.

Funniest part: "Our symbol is not a nazi symbol"

SURE it's not. OH it's mirrored, yeah then ofc it's not a nazi symbol

There is a good people too in Ukraine that is for sure.Have many friends work and lived there through Soviet times.All said-ukranians like war.....just like Chechens.We here in the balkans are small thieves,but they are....All that have even one neuron run from that shit.Sorry for the young brainwashed boys and girls,which are gonna die...and those,who have eyes and ears,but were caugh and send to a frontlines to die for nazis freaks.Let them alone..or we all gonna burn

 

[December Flower]

There is a good people too in Ukraine that is for sure.Have many friends work and lived there through Soviet times.All said-ukranians like war.....just like Chechens.We here in the balkans are small thieves,but they are....All that have even one neuron run from that shit.Sorry for the young brainwashed boys and girls,which are gonna die...and those,who have eyes and ears,but were caugh and send to a frontlines to die for nazis freaks.Let them alone..or we all gonna burn

that's what kills me. And it was a fucking move by the US.
They backed the extremist Nazis in Ukraine, as proven in this video:


(this is from 2014 but even more current now)

around the 3-minute mark, 3:24 featuring Mccain with the leader of the ultranationalist party Svoboda.

I love the US

 

[Nas47]

Read,think.Sorry too tired to answer.Drink a beer or smoke a joint.This is SHIT

Amidst all this, can someone hexplain:

What exactly is Russia hoping to accomplish with invasion?

Is Russia not large enough already?

Is this like a cultural/ego thing?

that's what kills me. And it was a fucking move by the US.
They backed the extremist Nazis in Ukraine, as proven in this video:



around the 3-minute mark, 3:24 featuring Mccain with the leader of the ultranationalist party Svoboda.

I love the US

That is true too.Americans are involved directly or nondirectly in all conflicts around the world from the Korean war to modern days.