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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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Xorkoth said:
Hey man, I was protesting in the streets when we went to Iraq and Afghanistan after September 11th. I would have opposed Vietnam too if I had been alive and old enough to understand. I don't support any of the US's war efforts since WW2. There's nothing I could have done about it, though, other than protest and not join the military (both of which I did). It's doesn't make sense to tell me I can't condemn this event because America has done just as bad (or even if America has done worse which they probably have - I say "they" because I didn't do that shit even though I was born in America, the elites did, as you pointed out, and I agree with). I'm allowed to condemn when some other country invades a sovereign nation even though my country has done so, too. That's not hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if I supported the US invasions and condemned this one.

I don't care whether it's all the elites causing all of these wars. It IS all the elites causing all the wars, always, forever. That doesn't mean I don't care what is happening to people though.

Well I shouldn't say I don[t care that the elites are doing it, I think it's important to understand and it's fucked up. But it doesn't make me care less about what is happening to people because of it.
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I wasn't referring to you personally with 'hypocrisy'. The MSM and politicians on the other hand, they are in no position to lecture at all and I'd wager a good percentage of them are being duplicitous little shits doing the bidding of the establishment, as per usual.

I get it, people are suffering and going to be killed. But that's clown planet for you. Atrocities happen daily, many part of our consumer supply chain and the grim reality of life outside first-world countries. I'm just cynical of people getting all upset and emotional about political events taking place 1000 miles away, because their emotional state exposes them to our state propaganda that guides them towards a predetermined conclusion by these elitist cunts. The last two years should have alerted everyone to just how manipulative our governments and establishment are when it comes to propaganda and behavioral psychology.

Once again we see images on TV and a certain narrative is constructed. What we don't see are the years of funding, arming, and general meddling by our intelligence services and establishment that has led us to this point. We also don't see the strings being pulled in Moscow. It's far too easy to take this situation at face value, get swept up in it, and believe it is some organic geopolitical situation when it is not in my opinion.

All I'm saying is people need to be wary about their emotions. 'Putin bad man'. Haven't we been here before? How many times in the past 20 years? The people of the west need to face up to the harsh truth that our establishment are sick twisted fucks who are quite happy to engineer geopolitical crises, including war, in order to further their agendas. The 'we're good vs that evil man/regime' routine is really trite at this point, I wish people would stop falling for it.
 
Xorkoth said:
Hey man, I was protesting in the streets when we went to Iraq and Afghanistan after September 11th. I would have opposed Vietnam too if I had been alive and old enough to understand. I don't support any of the US's war efforts since WW2. There's nothing I could have done about it, though, other than protest and not join the military (both of which I did). It's doesn't make sense to tell me I can't condemn this event because America has done just as bad (or even if America has done worse which they probably have - I say "they" because I didn't do that shit even though I was born in America, the elites did, as you pointed out, and I agree with). I'm allowed to condemn when some other country invades a sovereign nation even though my country has done so, too. That's not hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if I supported the US invasions and condemned this one.

I don't care whether it's all the elites causing all of these wars. It IS all the elites causing all the wars, always, forever. That doesn't mean I don't care what is happening to people though.

Well I shouldn't say I don[t care that the elites are doing it, I think it's important to understand and it's fucked up. But it doesn't make me care less about what is happening to people because of it.
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right - just because America invaded Iraq, doesn't mean we had anything to do with it - i hated it too - Bush Jr. was the worst...he kinda seems to be a little more cool now because he's anti-trump, but he wasn't cool when he was in charge and i couldn't wait for that to end...that was a bad 8 years if you ask me
 
www.cnn.com

Russian forces seize control of Chernobyl nuclear plant and hold staff hostage: Ukrainian officials | CNN

Russian forces seized the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in northern Ukraine and have taken personnel in the station captive, spokeswoman for the State Agency of Ukraine on Exclusion Zone Management Yevgeniya Kuznetsovа told CNN.
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So they will get health issues by the time they overpower Kyiv.
Russia seems to have great war strategists.

Imagine Hitler ordered his troops to go to some uranium ore just before invading Paris...
 
apnews.com

US, Europe step up Russia sanctions to target Putin directly

The United States and European allies are stepping up sanctions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by adding measures directly targeting President Vladimir Putin and his top diplomat.
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Yep, seems like most of the world is universally condemning Putin's actions, except for China. Including plenty of Russian citizens, as I've heard on some social media.

Yeah, imperialism is shite and costs lives, no matter who perpetuates it.

Personally, I'm all for my government doing what it can to punish the Russian government for doing this. Stop short at straight up sending troops over there though.

These days, it shouldn't be acceptable for ANY country to forcibly expand their territory with their military. I feel we are past that stage of human existence, and I don't think it's necessary.

And I don't buy this shite that war is human nature. War might be the nature of society, but I personally know plenty of people that don't believe in war, don't support wars, and don't support unsanctioned violence.
 
this is 100% human nature, war and conquering has been happening since humans came about. This is 100% natural human behavior.

What ever people believe in peace times doesn;t fucking matter. Because one day the enemy will up your ass raping your women and enslaving you and taking your country. Thats why we have a military.

Weak men create hard times.

its time to fucking rise and send every single one of these bastards to the depths of hell with the full force of our western nations
 
TripSitterNZ said:
this is 100% human nature, war and conquering has been happening since humans came about. This is 100% natural human behavior.

What ever people believe in peace times doesn;t fucking matter. Because one day the enemy will up your ass raping your women and enslaving you and taking your country. Thats why we have a military.

Weak men create hard times.

its time to fucking rise and send every single one of these bastards to the depths of hell with the full force of our western nations
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Yeah, like I said, that's a societal consequence of building civilizations that compete with each other. It isn't "human nature" and it's not "normal human behavior"

Look at any veteran that's afflicted with PTSD. Do you think they'd be suffering so much if they just participated in "normal human behavior"?

These are the words of someone that's never been to war, or lived in a war torn country.

It's not fun and games, and it's not as simple as that. War is the peak representation of human suffering on the grandest scale imaginable, and it's not something to go into half assed or without a very good reason, AKA genocide, or slaughter happening on a great scale.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
this is 100% human nature, war and conquering has been happening since humans came about. This is 100% natural human behavior.

What ever people believe in peace times doesn;t fucking matter. Because one day the enemy will up your ass raping your women and enslaving you and taking your country. Thats why we have a military.

Weak men create hard times.

its time to fucking rise and send every single one of these bastards to the depths of hell with the full force of our western nations
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I agree with the first paragraph. I halfway agree with the second paragraph.

The rest of it? Not so much.

In any case, I definitely pity anyone who would use you as a "trip sitter." Talk about a recipe for a bad trip....jeeeezus!
 
im glad the Russian citizens are protesting - but we know how that ends in Russia and China

but i think Russia and its citizens can definitley cause more change than the Chinese can....China doesn't care - they'll just kill everybody who opposes

But i'll tell ya, that Zalensky sure was poking the bear
 
Electrum1 said:
Ukraine just distributed 10,000 machine guns to citizens and banned 18-55 year old males from leaving the country.

I haven't seen any reports about civilians getting killed. Russia hasn't attacked residential areas, just military and strategic assets.

Watch foreign interests pull something like in Syria when it was obvious chlorine gas attacks were false flags so they could blame Assad to drum up more international support against him. Won't fit the narrative they want if Putin doesn't attack/kill a bunch of innocent civilians.
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TripSitterNZ said:
humans have been murdering each other forever, don't forget we exterminated the netherandls over food supply.
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And let's not forget that we had help from Man's Best Friend. Evidence indicates that modern humans had domesticated dogs at least 30,000 years ago. Neanderthals did not.

Go dogs!
 
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