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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

I don't know what I am at almost 28 xddd
Dude then why did you get all up in my s*** 4 suggesting...

Anyway that's water under the bridge sounds to me like you're fluid or maybe you just need to drink more fluids... you should also share some good ol' morphine sulfate let's break bread together let's make peace

Let's get hammered. :stare:
 
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Dude then why did you get all up in my s*** 4 suggesting...

Anyway that's water under the bridge sounds to me like you're fluid or maybe you just need to drink more fluids... you should also share some good ol' morphine sulfate let's break bread together let's make peace

Let's get hammered. :stare:
Haahahaha, I'm high already tried homo experiences and didn't like it. So I could say in str8er than most ppl here hahaq.
 
If the needy turn to the net for help, they are likely too stupid and cannot be helped.

The wise will turn to reality and not the net of lies.

What hate do you see and who is it directed against?

Are morals and ethics important to you?

They are certainly not, to the homophobes and misogynous.

Regards
DL
Your first line makes no sense. If a person doesn't turn to the net for information, then what good does the net serve? Granted, the false news, etc., needs to be weeded out, but, if used correctly, the net is valuable as a library of knowledge. It's a great deal easier to research a question with the net today than with a brick and mortar library of 50 years ago.
As to the question of homosexuality being genetic or otherwise created, I personally think it's genetic. I felt like I was bisexual from an early age. If anything, it was discouraged in our Christian home, even though we were not devout, church going people. When young, I was active both ways, finally deciding I would be "straight" because I wanted kids. Now that my family is grown, I swing both ways. None of my religious learning has been enough to convince me that either way is "right or wrong". How can a person believe that someone can be cured of something that is not an illness. I think it's more important to learn the importance of being faithful to your partner. To me, that's the lesson that's missing in many people's lives. So there you have it.
Peace.
 
I shared with you an opinion. As usual, I attempted to be a little but humorous. We can't be stoic scientists constantly.

You, however, have countered with a direct statement implying both that you understand my thought process and state of mind well enough to critique them and that you judge them to be not right. They are not right because they do not fit your acronym-based definition of complex creatures. I'm sorry but you do not need to be classified and filed to be a proud gay person.

It calls into question my whole life experience from finding gay people "disgusting" as a child to meeting my first gay friends in middle school and coming to love and accept them and the divine release of overcoming my own stupid fears and feeling love where there was once disdain.

My main and primary gripe with the acronym is that it is impractical. I want to discuss issues regarding the community and saying "gay" has been accepted by 90% of people as respectful. Thus I prefer to say "gay rights" and such. It is easier and people get the meaning a ND you know full well that this is true.

I would meditate on my intentions a little but and ask yourself why you felt the need to call out such a deeply, mentally visceral part of me in reaction to what was at worst, stupidity. I have no hate in me and it is my honest belief that my objective love and support for these people in life is sufficient for the universe.

Id start with questioning before judgment. We share similar views. Why argue?

If people wish to classify themselves in order to find a place within their own community, it's literally none of anyone's business, particularly anyone not a member of the community in question. It's known as staying in your own lane. An outsider's responsibility is simply to refer to an individual in the ways they are comfortable with and to try and understand without making assumptions. That's what real support for a community looks like.

The comment I questioned had nothing to do with the topic of discussion and nobody requested any input whatsoever on that topic so I don't see why it would be relevant that it's your opinion. Your post was fine without it, but offensive with it. Especially considering you casually dropped an ableist slur in there.

"Gay" is just one letter in the acronym, one identity within this community. All of the others matter and referring to all of us as "gay" is known as a form of erasure. Similarly to the way many people assume that all Trans people are transgender women, failing to acknowledge that Trans men exist. Trans people, for example, are not all gay and suggesting that they are by collectively referring to them as such is offensive. Some lesbians and bisexual people are okay with "gay", some are not. Some people are questioning (Q) which is important because they might not be comfortable identifying themselves as gay yet and representation matters. I'd love to know how you determined that 90% of people are okay with it because I've never encountered that despite being out for more than 20 years, identities and their associated identifiers within this community are extremely important and have great cultural significance.

I was not insulting or confrontational, I advised you to question your opinion because it's short-sighted. LGBTQ+ is the acronym that is in daily use in part because the full acronym is impractical, the "+" is designed to be inclusive of other minority gender and sexual identifiers even if they're not mentioned specifically. Plus, any attempt to be inclusive of all minority gender and sexual identifiers would fall apart now that gender and sexuality are being examined in ways we couldn't have possibly imagined in Freud's time when some of these identifiers were created. In reality though, very few of the terms in the "full" acronym are particularly new. The acronym itself has been evolving for around 50 years.

Language evolves, as do civilisations, and when we're accustomed to knowing of things one way it's natural to be threatened by things we do not yet understand. But if you really wish to be supportive you need not be afraid, just open your mind and try not to resist change but instead accept it gracefully, listen to the lessons people who are really affected by these topics are trying to teach you. Trust that if you approach life in this way you will be happier for it and have a much greater understanding of the world and the many diverse people and communities within it. You cannot possibly do that when you cannot see through another person's eyes - it's like claiming to know what the surface of the moon feels like having never been there, disagreeing with someone who has.
 
If people wish to classify themselves in order to find a place within their own community, it's literally none of anyone's business, particularly anyone not a member of the community in question. It's known as staying in your own lane. An outsider's responsibility is simply to refer to an individual in the ways they are comfortable with and to try and understand without making assumptions. That's what real support for a community looks like.

The comment I questioned had nothing to do with the topic of discussion and nobody requested any input whatsoever on that topic so I don't see why it would be relevant that it's your opinion. Your post was fine without it, but offensive with it. Especially considering you casually dropped an ableist slur in there.

"Gay" is just one letter in the acronym, one identity within this community. All of the others matter and referring to all of us as "gay" is known as a form of erasure. Similarly to the way many people assume that all Trans people are transgender women, failing to acknowledge that Trans men exist. Trans people, for example, are not all gay and suggesting that they are by collectively referring to them as such is offensive. Some lesbians and bisexual people are okay with "gay", some are not. Some people are questioning (Q) which is important because they might not be comfortable identifying themselves as gay yet and representation matters. I'd love to know how you determined that 90% of people are okay with it because I've never encountered that despite being out for more than 20 years, identities and their associated identifiers within this community are extremely important and have great cultural significance.

I was not insulting or confrontational, I advised you to question your opinion because it's short-sighted. LGBTQ+ is the acronym that is in daily use in part because the full acronym is impractical, the "+" is designed to be inclusive of other minority gender and sexual identifiers even if they're not mentioned specifically. Plus, any attempt to be inclusive of all minority gender and sexual identifiers would fall apart now that gender and sexuality are being examined in ways we couldn't have possibly imagined in Freud's time when some of these identifiers were created. In reality though, very few of the terms in the "full" acronym are particularly new. The acronym itself has been evolving for around 50 years.

Language evolves, as do civilisations, and when we're accustomed to knowing of things one way it's natural to be threatened by things we do not yet understand. But if you really wish to be supportive you need not be afraid, just open your mind and try not to resist change but instead accept it gracefully, listen to the lessons people who are really affected by these topics are trying to teach you. Trust that if you approach life in this way you will be happier for it and have a much greater understanding of the world and the many diverse people and communities within it. You cannot possibly do that when you cannot see through another person's eyes - it's like claiming to know what the surface of the moon feels like having never been there, disagreeing with someone who has.

I understand where you're coming from dude, but I have to say that I totally stand by what I said. I think we have both arrived at the conclusion that we have mutuial love and appreciation for human beings regardles of their sexual inclinations. I have to repeat that I find the "classification" of people based upon what makes them different is counter-productive. If I like cream cheese slathered on my chest while I jerk off, fine. If you like having sex with men, great. If you like having sex with both men and women simultaneously aswesome. You like getting pegged, more power to you. Does that mean that I need to be classifid as a "pegger", exposing myself to the world and to be appreciated for it to be truly happy... I just don't think so.

As a sort of tangent to al of this, I believe the black and white classification of sexual desire just do3sn't make sense. It is a far more fluid and changeable phenomenon than simply being "gay" or "straight" of "queer". I'm definiotely not trying to fight with you here. It was worth it to me to take the time to come back here and explain myself. In the end, I feel we can both be content in the knowledge that we both have love and respect for people. I just think we are investing time into negative aspects of our experience. We both have made clear that we are non-prejudicialk, s I say again, why fight about it?
 
I work with a guy who's quite the redneck but wouldn't call himself that. He says some very unPC but funny shit.
The other day several of us were talking about homophobia (don't know how we got on that) and he declares:
"If you're not a little homophobic, then you're a little gay."
🤣
 
This thread is just full of people who know more about gayness and sexual attraction than us simple gays could possibly ever know about our little selves!

So many armchair opinions with nothing to back them.

Oddly the voice of the gay people is overruled repeatedly by these amazing not gay people who understand gay better than a gay could ever.

Have any of you actually read what you are writting?

Maybe listen first and learn, then respond. Responding before listening and without learning is just repeating yourself from an unlearned position.

I have not met a single gay person who did not know they were gay super early in life. Some wished to be women, some were simply attracted to men. All knew it early like preschool.

Watch the non gay disagreeing group ask for clinical studies while providing zero evidence to counter.

If I point out there are specific studies showing epigenetic markers that correspond with gay at 90% or better and all are from birth or before somehow this doesn't count as evidence that gay is at least epigenetic and occurs in the womb.

Next I am told to meditate the gay away as it was just a choice I made...

A polite thank you for the gay community helping you stay better informed would be OK. I bet I am still wrong about myself though and there are a dozen old birds on here that can tell me.
 
Scriptures say he does create all evil, for his pleasure.

I am sure you know that if you read your bible.

The intelligent Christians know why evil is necessary.

That is why Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

Regards
DL
Tell me where it says that the Hebrew God takes pleasure in evil either in the New Testament or in the old, I realize that you're not online but when you come back with I'll be happy to debate it if you can cite specific chapter and verse. Also I'm willing to be wrong
 
This thread is just full of people who know more about gayness and sexual attraction than us simple gays could possibly ever know about our little selves!

So many armchair opinions with nothing to back them.

Oddly the voice of the gay people is overruled repeatedly by these amazing not gay people who understand gay better than a gay could ever.

Have any of you actually read what you are writting?

Maybe listen first and learn, then respond. Responding before listening and without learning is just repeating yourself from an unlearned position.

I have not met a single gay person who did not know they were gay super early in life. Some wished to be women, some were simply attracted to men. All knew it early like preschool.

Watch the non gay disagreeing group ask for clinical studies while providing zero evidence to counter.

If I point out there are specific studies showing epigenetic markers that correspond with gay at 90% or better and all are from birth or before somehow this doesn't count as evidence that gay is at least epigenetic and occurs in the womb.

Next I am told to meditate the gay away as it was just a choice I made...

A polite thank you for the gay community helping you stay better informed would be OK. I bet I am still wrong about myself though and there are a dozen old birds on here that can tell me.

Sweeping generalization. Ironic isn't it...

Not sure anyone even said or implied all of what you've characterized as some camp in this thread. I certainly did not, although i ostensibly belong to your group of non-gay people who dare express thoughts about gayness.
 
This thread is just full of people who know more about gayness and sexual attraction than us simple gays could possibly ever know about our little selves!

So many armchair opinions with nothing to back them.

Oddly the voice of the gay people is overruled repeatedly by these amazing not gay people who understand gay better than a gay could ever.

Have any of you actually read what you are writting?

Maybe listen first and learn, then respond. Responding before listening and without learning is just repeating yourself from an unlearned position.

I have not met a single gay person who did not know they were gay super early in life. Some wished to be women, some were simply attracted to men. All knew it early like preschool.

Watch the non gay disagreeing group ask for clinical studies while providing zero evidence to counter.

If I point out there are specific studies showing epigenetic markers that correspond with gay at 90% or better and all are from birth or before somehow this doesn't count as evidence that gay is at least epigenetic and occurs in the womb.

Next I am told to meditate the gay away as it was just a choice I made...

A polite thank you for the gay community helping you stay better informed would be OK. I bet I am still wrong about myself though and there are a dozen old birds on here that can tell me.
Well you've covered the spectrum between victim and hero so you're not wrong
 
According To The Ancient Greeks, The Greatest Love Is Between Two Men.

The Greeks Are Right.
 
I work with a guy who's quite the redneck but wouldn't call himself that. He says some very unPC but funny shit.
The other day several of us were talking about homophobia (don't know how we got on that) and he declares:
"If you're not a little homophobic, then you're a little gay."
🤣
Sounds like a mantra so the derelict doesn't scream in public or something.

It wasn't until I was 26 or so that I had eventually run into a group of assailants (some of which I thought were my friends) who obviously had nothing worth saying at all, because what they did in a circle was absolutely appalling. Right in front of a freaking church, saying stuff to obviously trigger anyone in the group who was gay or whatever.

The funny thing is, the reactions they're looking for, I noticed they do it the most themselves.

Savvy people know what I'm talking about.

Tactics like this are a double-edged double-bind, I find. On one hand, the least sensitive: it's his priority to continue this drabble and drawl until he gets a notable feeling that he can hold onto, while at the same time - what he's learned from learned behavior is this: sensitive people are reactive; at least according to him.

What he doesn't know: is he's doing it to the other guys.

Peace
 
Sounds like a mantra so the derelict doesn't scream in public or something....
In the case of this particular dude (who struggles with various personal issues), I believe he's a bit unsure/insecure about his own sexuality and feels the need to vocalize an aversion to homosexuality to protect his fragile ego.
You can see this more blatantly in guys like Lindsey Graham, who is obviously a closeted gay man stuck in an ultra-conservative Southern Baptist mindset.
 
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