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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Does that then, honestly, not being flippant or challenging- feeling aloud, make me officially senselless?

I just dispute the black and whiteness of it all really.

Not necessarily. I realise there are legitimate health reasons for not being vaccinated and I'm also aware of your health issues. Whether your issues make being vaccinated more risky than the general population I have no idea.

Obviously, nothing is black or white. But what I'm saying is that if you don't suffer from health conditions that might make taking one of the many different covid vaccines available more risky than catching covid itself, then I don't understand why you wouldn't...
 
somewhat agree, but if you depend on herd immunity for your protection, then its actually sensible not to get vaccinated, cos you're protected by those who are. we don't have herd immunity for covid yet but i can see why, if you ignore the fact you live in a society and depend on others for your safety, its sensible not to accept the tiny risks associated with getting any vaccine for diseases that we do have herd immunity for. because you are protected by everyone else. of course, this position is predicated on not caring about anyone but yourself and a sufficient number of people not making the same decision.

imo if you choose not to take it, then you accept the consequences of that choice. namely that your rights to act as a vector for disease will be limited to protect those who cannot be vaccinated and the tiny proportion of those vaccinated who will still be at risk of severe consequences if infected with whatever disease you've chosen not to be vaccinated against.

with rights come responsibilities. if you don't fulfill your responsibilities, you lose your rights.

Surely one of the best ways of achieving 'herd immunity' is for everyone to be vaccinated?
 
I dispute that. Like, even if man puts the parts together, does the making, the running around- dirty work basically. Man is good at dirty work. The blueprint is beyond the scope of Man's imagination and need.
21st October 2021


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imo if you choose not to take it, then you accept the consequences of that choice. namely that your rights to act as a vector for disease will be limited to protect those who cannot be vaccinated and the tiny proportion of those vaccinated who will still be at risk of severe consequences if infected with whatever disease you've chosen not to be vaccinated against.

with rights come responsibilities. if you don't fulfill your responsibilities, you lose your rights.

That's not how liberal democratic societies work. Rights are inherent, or as the Americans like to say "God given", especially bodily sovereignty. The freedom to choose and not be dictated to is what separates our societies from the tyranny of our past and from the other oppressive societies that still rule by force.

I'm happy to be a vector of covid. I don't care if 'I kill granny'. It's not my responsibility to protect the health of anyone else other than myself, and certainly not the 'public health' which is a non-entity. I'm also not happy nor will I accept a curtailment of my freedom just to add an extra year on to the lives of some old people who have enjoyed their entire lives free from any such restrictions themselves. Fuck that. And any old people with a shred of dignity would agree with me on that too, they would want their grandchildren to live the free lives they did! - has the government actually asked these elderly people for their opinion? Nope.

Anyone under the age of 18 is at zero risk. Are you going to strip them of their rights and freedoms or force them into taking a medical product they don't need? They owe society absolutely nothing, society owes them everything.
 
Surely one of the best ways of achieving 'herd immunity' is for everyone to be vaccinated?

The best way would have been to protect the elderly and vulnerable, then let the virus circulate through the population so people build superior natural immunity to it. Which is what is going to happen regardless of what we do. All we've done is actually retard that process by trying to pretend we can hold the tide back with one hand.

These jabs were supposed to be just for the elderly and the vulnerable, those actually at risk, and not for the wider population who don't bloody need it (because they are at zero risk). The fact the conversation has morphed beyond that original premise just proves there's more sinister objectives at play here and it is nothing to do with health what so ever.

In the UK a University, KCL I believe, stated we had already reached herd immunity many months ago. Naturally Imperial came out and said we hadn't, but we all know who funds them.
 
The best way would have been to protect the elderly and vulnerable, then let the virus circulate through the population so people build superior natural immunity to it. Which is what is going to happen regardless of what we do. All we've done is actually retard that process by trying to pretend we can hold the tide back with one hand.

These jabs were supposed to be just for the elderly and the vulnerable, those actually at risk, and not for the wider population who don't bloody need it (because they are at zero risk). The fact the conversation has morphed beyond that original premise just proves there's more sinister objectives at play here and it is nothing to do with health what so ever.

In the UK a University, KCL I believe, stated we had already reached herd immunity many months ago. Naturally Imperial came out and said we hadn't, but we all know who funds them.
And the WHO changed the definition of herd immunity too when this mRNA experiment hit the market. They have a board member who also funded the gain-of function research, if that doesn't raise alarm bells I don't know what will.
 
Spoken like a true narcissist...;)

That's not narcissism. Selfish is the actual word. And to that I would simply say again, so fucking what. It's my body, it's my health, and I have a responsibility to myself first and above anyone else. It's called self preservation.

If I take the jab and suffer an adverse reaction to it, where will you be then huh? You nor anyone else will give a fuck and I would just be another statistic. Only an absolute fool would gamble their own health away when they were at no risk at all, for people they never met and who wouldn't help them if they suffered a reaction.

I'm not a fool. I'm not masochistic either. There's absolutely nothing you or anyone else can say that would ever change my mind on this.
 
Surely one of the best ways of achieving 'herd immunity' is for everyone to be vaccinated?
depending on the R0 of the virus you can get away with < 100% of people being vaccinated and still have herd immunity. for highly transmissible diseases you need higher immunisation rates than less transmissible diseases for herd immunity to arise.


The reason(s) why is due to the T cell response in humans & the way the virus mutations.
oh do tell!! specifically the way the virus mutations (i know little about the immune system, only studied it in relation to antigen presentation pathways in certain cancers)- are you talking about susbtitutions per cell infection or substitutions per round of copying? which proteins are you most concerned about mutations in?

That's not how liberal democratic societies work. Rights are inherent, or as the Americans like to say "God given", especially bodily sovereignty. The freedom to choose and not be dictated to is what separates our societies from the tyranny of our past and from the other oppressive societies that still rule by force.
i only did one political philosophy course but everything that i studied about preventing tyranny was based on social contract theory or utilitarianism, i.e. the greater good had to be considered. you have the freedom to choose, you just don't have the freedom to influence others who choose not to have you in their businesses etc if your choices endanger them.

American women don't have bodily sovereignity.

your bodily sovereignity is not in danger. your ability to behave like you have no responsibilities to those around you is what is being discussed.

I'm happy to be a vector of covid. I don't care if 'I kill granny'. It's not my responsibility to protect the health of anyone else other than myself, and certainly not the 'public health' which is a non-entity.

i asked you before. do you shit in your own garden? if not, because you have a sewer, you benefit from public health.

people who are happy to act as a vector for disease are the entire reason our freedoms are being limited still. you've literally caused the thing you're fighting against.

Anyone under the age of 18 is at zero risk. Are you going to strip them of their rights and freedoms or force them into taking a medical product they don't need? They owe society absolutely nothing, society owes them everything.
children under 18 have died of covid. that is a risk.

how can society owe them everything, but you, a member of society, have no responsibility to protect the health of anyone else other than yourself?
 
Not necessarily. I realise there are legitimate health reasons for not being vaccinated and I'm also aware of your health issues. Whether your issues make being vaccinated more risky than the general population I have no idea.

Obviously, nothing is black or white. But what I'm saying is that if you don't suffer from health conditions that might make taking one of the many different covid vaccines available more risky than catching covid itself, then I don't understand why you wouldn't...
I respect that. I have my reasons, other ones. I've been pretty openly vocal and transparent all along. I won't be battling you over the issue though, not because I can't be asked or don't care to, partly because it's a cognitive strain now and my mind is as you have surely grasped, pretty far afield. And because I can't get into nitty grit with yourself, it just doesn't feel right, and that it out of respect, not a lack of it mate.

Also in the tightest spot still just keeping alive. Lucky I am a true hacker of life, evading again and again, actually frequently reaching the hilltop even for sandwhiches but then it's been nothing but a torrent of trenches for a long patch.
 
you can tell by her eyes she is not human and most likely a clone or a reptile
Well I dunno about that. But you lot sure are putting a strain on her I'll tell you. She's ageing quick.

Oh and by the way: I love how your YouTube friend links to, and thanks, his/her OWN other video as the original source material. Nowhere can I find a press conference where she's wearing that same jacket and uses the word "propaganda". Fuck. Would I love to find out that the so-called source is also fake. That'd shut some mouths here quick.

Oh never mind. Here's the source (unfortunately not what I was hoping to find).



Fuck me. Do you know how much time it took to find the exact spot? So that prat either has exceptional hearing, or was just in the right place at the right time, or just out to make shit, and has nothing more interesting to do in life. Nearly 31 minutes into a 48 minute news conference? And it just jumped out at somebody as if by magic? And these are the types of people you listen to and are influenced by?

Ah well. That's enough Jacinda and NZ and COVID for one day. Bonus: at least I didn't have to read subtitles! :ROFLMAO:

Anyway. I'm outta this shit show. The two of you (yes: you know to whom I'm referring) win (yeah: I just took a look at that dinosaur thread too). Fuck me. No. I just can't anymore. You know: there's an old saying that goes "bullshit baffles brains"! :ROFLMAO:

Got more important things to worry about e.g. nut jobs walking around naked in Red Square and trying to nail their scrotum to the ground. Side-effect of Sputnik maybe? Fuck. I shouldn't have done that. Just now some fucking search engine indexes this post and it turns up on Google and ends up being folklore or purported to be fact!

Come to think of it: maybe it IS just me and you lot are right. Because you couldn't make this shit up. And I have a very fertile imagination.
 
oh do tell!! specifically the way the virus mutations (i know little about the immune system, only studied it in relation to antigen presentation pathways in certain cancers)- are you talking about susbtitutions per cell infection or substitutions per round of copying? which proteins are you most concerned about mutations in?
Sadly I don't fully grasp what experts who have worked in the field for more than 40 years are fully on about BUT I'm more than happy to post an 90 minute interview with a doctor who knows more than you do 🙂
 
Everyone seems to be hung up over these mRNA vaccines.

However, other covid-19 vaccines utilising tried and (even better) tested technology are available...

If you want to know about Nike trainers you don't ask Steve who works 40 hours a week at Foot Asylum, you go ask Noon Pai Fung who puts 'em together in a factory in Vietnam.
 
Sadly I don't fully grasp what experts who have worked in the field for more than 40 years are fully on about BUT I'm more than happy to post an 90 minute interview with a doctor who knows more than you do 🙂
i have done research on covid mutations and evolution professionally. most doctors in clinical practise do not have the time to follow its evolution as closely as someone who is doing that as a full time job. there are easily people who know a lot more about it than me. what i queried was your own expertise. explain to me your understanding of how sars-cov2 mutates and what that has to do with herd immunity. i'm just asking you to expand on your own post.

as you are unable to differentiate between people working in good faith, and charlatans like dr malone, i suspect you may have incorrect information, but if you could give some detail in your own words, maybe you'll prove me wrong.
 
i only did one political philosophy course but everything that i studied about preventing tyranny was based on social contract theory or utilitarianism, i.e. the greater good had to be considered. you have the freedom to choose, you just don't have the freedom to influence others who choose not to have you in their businesses etc if your choices endanger them.

This is ridiculous because you're talking as if this were Ebola. It's not. We have never restricted people over flu or other respiratory illnesses. There are clear laws about discriminating against people based on their medical status, because it's a private matter between you and your doctor. No one else has any right to that information. As for the 'greater good', people will act in good faith when the evidence is clear and reasonable, and does not contradict basic morality. In the current situation the evidence is not on the side of restricting people because again covid is of little risk to the overwhelming majority, and you can try as hard as you like to spin that the other way but it simply is a fact.
your bodily sovereignity is not in danger. your ability to behave like you have no responsibilities to those around you is what is being discussed.

Well, actually it is. The EU are talking about compulsory jabs (some nations have started implementing it) and Boris Johnson last night said we might need to "have a discussion" about it. There's millions of people in this country who are going to become very violent if they try that path, I can tell you that for a fact. Again, I have no responsibility for the health of other people. You can choose to subscribe to the belief that you do, that's your right in a free society.. but it is equally my right not to subscribe to that belief.

The minute you start making other peoples health your responsibility by law is the point at which your society is no longer free. Free societies are based on individual choice, not on collectivism and communist ideology. Hence the reason why the globalist ruling class are pushing this scam in this manner, because it is the gateway to the digital authoritarian control grid they desperately want to create. You have to blind to not see where this is all going quite frankly.

people who are happy to act as a vector for disease are the entire reason our freedoms are being limited still. you've literally caused the thing you're fighting against.

This is just completely false. Freedoms are being limited by the government, not by me or the virus. Would you like to me to list out for you the nations where they haven't taken our draconian approach and are just a-ok? Or would you like to continue to ignore them because it doesn't fit your paradigm?

children under 18 have died of covid. that is a risk.

how can society owe them everything, but you, a member of society, have no responsibility to protect the health of anyone else other than yourself?

Rubbish. A handful of minors may have died with covid, but that doesn't mean jack shit. Those numbers say nothing about the individuals actual health status either and I'll bet my left nut that all of them had an underlying health problem, and it was that health problem that really killed them. A positive test means fuck all in context of the totality of the individuals health status.

No one has a responsibility to protect the health of anyone else. We have never held that premise as a cultural belief or attitude. You can choose to, if you wish, but that's what it has actually always been.. a free choice, not a implied responsibility.
 
Nice try. And old news.

"Gain-of-function" research not the same thing as creating a virus from scratch specifically to be used as a bio-weapon (which is what I was responding to).

And actually it shoots the bio-weapon conspiracy theory in the foot anyway i.e. "gain-of-function" research on BAT corona viruses. Dunno. From where I sit that suggests that the virus itself came from a BAT. If somebody left the fucking door open by mistake well then shit happens (and has happened).

Fucking waste of money and time and energy and good brains. Surely to fuck there's a better virus to have been fucking about with more suited to being a bio-weapon. And come to think of it: what was wrong with good 'ol chemicals or poison or radiation? Too obvious? :unsure: There'd still have been plenty money to be made. Believe me: there's no limit to how much somebody would pay for an antidote if they were bleeding from every orifice! Also no arguments about wearing (gas) masks! :ROFLMAO:

Nah. This whole thing wasn't thought out proper by the NWO!
 
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