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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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DeathIndustrial88 said:
You have the choice to uhh... not go out? Stay home if you're scared.
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I would be mostly, certainly in heart but differing on personal experience and fine details excuse the term in trend, "with" you.

On this, exactly. What "right" do we have?

We are "allowed" to jump off a cliff. Drown in a lake. Drink 89 units of alcohol in one night.

Own guns. Drive fast cars. Have 27 children, don't call any of them. Move abroad.

Do all sorts of crazy shit.

But my genuine point again, we don't have to right to euthenasia. The right to be "put down".

It needs to be on the table here. Because even €10,000 + travel costs won't get you to Switzerland now depending on certain "religious" choices and beliefs.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
All false comparisons.
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not really. sewers are one of the oldest and most effective public health measures we have.

did no one teach you about the broad street pump?

DeathIndustrial88 said:
You have the choice to uhh... not go out? Stay home if you're scared.
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its not that i'm scared for me. its that i am fed up of this whole situation and i am not willing to do things that would cause it to continue. but i'm also going fucking insane having been stuck in mostly for over 18 months. so i'm even more ready to just do whatever the fuck i can to get it over and done with and wish everyone else would too.

i wish people would stop saying were living in fear when we are living in compassion for our fellow man.
 
chinup said:
what about the rights of the people you transmit preventable disease to?
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You don't have the right to not be infected, nor do you have the right to make an offence of a natural process that we consciously have no control over what so ever.

chinup said:
mind if me and my buddies come and smoke next to you every time you're out of the house then?
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I'll address this comparison because it's the first of a list of nonsensical ones. I can prove you're being obnoxious or harassing, it's self-evident, and there are clear laws against it. The act of breathing - I can't believe I'm actually having to explain this to a PhD - is a natural function of the body and, like the theoretical transmission of a pathogen, is completely beyond the conscious control of the individual to stop. You can't criminalize people for not being able to do something that is a natural occurrence, that's ridiculous.

It's called life. It's called nature. If you get sick and die it's inevitably because your body is weak, unhealthy, or old. That's just a cruel fact of life. Punishing the healthy for nature doing its thing is absurd.
 
chinup said:
so i'm even more ready to just do whatever the fuck i can to get it over and done with and wish everyone else would too.
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Exactly! You have just nailed it in one right there is the primary purpose and function of lockdowns. In evidence.

It is not even the individuals who have lost their minds it is the crowd. By clever inducement by powerful wicked string pullers who have a full, firm grasp of human emotional and behavioural psychology.

If you lock people down sternly enough for long enough, you will get them to do anything eventually.
 
AutoTripper said:
Exactly! You have just nailed it in one right there is the primary purpose and function of lockdowns. In evidence.

It is not even the individuals who have lost their minds it is the crowd. By clever inducement by powerful wicked string pullers who have a full, firm grasp of human emotional and behavioural psychology.

If you lock people down sternly enough for long enough, you will get them to do anything eventually.
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i should probably have qualified my 'whatever the fuck' with the words 'evidence based.' its not the first time in history that there have been justifications for restricting peoples rights for short periods. i am of the belief that had people taken responsibility when our government washed their hands of it, we wouldn't have the prospect of another lockdown looming over us. the reason that we do is because people have found it too inconvenient to get vaccinated, wear a mask, and sanitise their hands.

i'm sure some people are using this situation to manipulate others but from what i've seen the manipulation is in the people on the denialism side.

-=SS=- said:
You don't have the right to not be infected, nor do you have the right to make an offence of a natural process that we consciously have no control over what so ever.
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quarantining people with communicable diseases on the basis that people do have the right not to be infected has been accepted throughout history. i'm not going to debate that with you because we are clearly on different sides.

have you seriously never been slightly pissed when a colleague came into work sick, and then you had to spend a week in bed? or do you just accept that when it happens cos it was their right to infect you. do you then, knowingly sick, interact with people you know to be frail because, in your words 'If you get sick and die it's inevitably because your body is weak, unhealthy, or old. That's just a cruel fact of life'?
 
chinup said:
too inconvenient
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Deciding or bluntly refusing upon one's life if it comes to it the vaccination we can actually call it now that they have thankfully for me, amended the definition to make things simpler- This is not in any way a matter of convenience unless we called potential adverse health effects and the destruction over time of the immune system and inconvenience which I do actually.

But it's not because it just doesn't quite fit conveniently into our routine as such.

More squaring is a different matter as well because that is inconvenience it's uncomfortable and unpleasant and according to many and my own belief and feeling does not make me feel well will benefit my health and I do not believe in an increase in hygiene level as a result of the masks I've already stated I believe it works backwards and is actually a hygiene hazard because these masks become increasing harbours for all types of microbial infections which are getting much more frequent access and coverage in a higher anitimicrobial load all over every mask user's hands, to door handles, keys, clothing, others, every surface.

So that is a matter of principle and logic as well whatever the experts you put too much faith in as in any favourite all continually claim.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Unvaccinated Bluelighters are a threat to themselves.
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I'm not vaccinated, yet get tested once a week just out of curiosity. Every single time, I come up negative. (Mind you, this has been going on for several months) Other than the occasional opiate withdrawal, I feel extraordinarily good physically. No sniffles, loss of smell, and all that other shit.

Therefore, I'm beginning to think that some people might be immune. This is definitely within the realm of possibility.
 
Illyria99 said:
I'm not vaccinated, yet get tested once a week just out of curiosity. Every single time, I come up negative. (Mind you, this has been going on for several months) Other than the occasional opiate withdrawal, I feel extraordinarily good physically. No sniffles, loss of smell, and all that other shit.

Therefore, I'm beginning to think that some people might be immune. This is definitely within the realm of possibility.
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Probably not. Most people do not get covid, there is probably a 1 in 20 chance of catching it at all. The vaccines reduce this chance by two orders of magnitude.

One of the big things covid revealed is that it is extremely tricky to consider low risk high consequences events. The human brain simply doesn't handle really big or small numbers well.

Think about HIV, at its worst a very small portion of the population contracted it, but avoiding bodily fluids is still a pretty accepted practice as the harm of such a low risk event is quite great.
 
chinup said:
quarantining people with communicable diseases on the basis that people do have the right not to be infected has been accepted throughout history. i'm not going to debate that with you because we are clearly on different sides.

have you seriously never been slightly pissed when a colleague came into work sick, and then you had to spend a week in bed? or do you just accept that when it happens cos it was their right to infect you. do you then, knowingly sick, interact with people you know to be frail because, in your words 'If you get sick and die it's inevitably because your body is weak, unhealthy, or old. That's just a cruel fact of life'?
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Yeah, you quarantine those WITH the disease.. not everyone else who is healthy! Punishing people who are healthy is totalitarian, unscientific, illogical and immoral.

I worked in central London for a couple of years, taking the underground daily for an hour each way, to work in a hospital. The only time I ever got ill was when I spent the weekend not eating right, not sleeping right, drinking and doing drugs. By all logic I should have gotten ill every winter from being packed like a sardine on the tube, touching railings, etc.. but I never did.

I don't get pissed at people for something not proven. You getting ill after seeing someone else who is ill is not proof they infected you at all. It's the easy association to make and believe, but you can't (and won't have) proved it.
 
Skorpio said:
Probably not. Most people do not get covid, there is probably a 1 in 20 chance of catching it at all. The vaccines reduce this chance by two orders of magnitude.

One of the big things covid revealed is that it is extremely tricky to consider low risk high consequences events. The human brain simply doesn't handle really big or small numbers well.

Think about HIV, at its worst a very small portion of the population contracted it, but avoiding bodily fluids is still a pretty accepted practice as the harm of such a low risk event is quite great.
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Hmmm. I've just now realised that even when I'm out in public (shopping, etc) I don't hang about for long. I do what I have to, then get the fuck out, mainly to avoid prolonged contact with people...which has nothing to do with Covid, I've ALWAYS done this. The only place I have to linger is the nail salon, though everyone is wearing masks, of course.

Perhaps my antisocial tendencies have kept me healthy? 😅
 
Illyria99 said:
I'm not vaccinated, yet get tested once a week just out of curiosity. Every single time, I come up negative. (Mind you, this has been going on for several months) Other than the occasional opiate withdrawal, I feel extraordinarily good physically. No sniffles, loss of smell, and all that other shit.

Therefore, I'm beginning to think that some people might be immune. This is definitely within the realm of possibility.
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I don't know about immune, but some people definitely have a greater natural resistance. My lad managed to totally avoid catching it when the rest of us were pretty ill.
 
Illyria99 said:
Hmmm. I've just now realised that even when I'm out in public (shopping, etc) I don't hang about for long. I do what I have to, then get the fuck out, mainly to avoid prolonged contact with people...which has nothing to do with Covid, I've ALWAYS done this. The only place I have to linger is the nail salon, though everyone is wearing masks, of course.

Perhaps my antisocial tendencies have kept me healthy? 😅
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I am not antisocial in any real way at all nor have any apprehension of other people or public spaces or being in the company of others I have totally overcome if there ever was any degree of so-called social anxiety or apprehension of the public and others.

However I am virtually housebound most of the time and very rarely have the spare energy to leave the house even for a short walk I barely ever visit public buildings less than 99% of forum members I would probably suggest.

But there is no way in the world I personally with my own level of immune compromisation had a chance of avoiding Covid. For people with compromised immunity who are virtual sitting ducks it really is a simple eventuality it's just a question of what sort of case it will be because they vary enormously from very mild and quick passing to long lasting health crippling and life changing conditions with a very unpredictable nature and far reaching complications.

But I only contracted it one time September 2020 and not once since a new contraction of the infection as far as I have any slight reason to suspect this is massively significant because I cannot refer to another infection I have had before in recent decades which I am aware I have acquired any level of immunity to its just a question of bumping into them again one day or not and some particular viruses I have been contracting 5 to 10 times a year for 12 years now, Never once acquiring a slight shade of immunity.

I get literally hundreds of separate new respiratory viruses and bacteria annually but I've only had Covid once except I still have it as a severe long case in my nervous system but I almost got rid of it by the summer and I would have been okay probably the other side of it, I messed up creating an immune vulnerability and it made its way back into my nervous system and has been much more aggressive and harmful since then.

That was my own fault at the time but was unfortunate because of the circumstances I was in leading to the events.

But there's no way on earth I could possibly myself have gone this time without contracting it but others may achieve that like many people don't get influenza or the common cold but my own belief is that they actually did contract it except it just never developed into an illness.

And they are now effectively immune as well like I am myself despite having an active running long case of it still.
 
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alasdairm said:
i got the pfizer vaccine a few months ago and i am still alive. do these cases somehow cancel each other out?

posting single cases as if they are somehow meaningful has little value.

alasdair
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That's another thought there! One died, one lives. It's the lucky peg of life itself. 🙂
 
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