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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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-=SS=- said:
It's not my witness testimony and it's not my paper trail. I've heard and seen it being discussed.
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So it exists, but you won't show us. But we should believe you?

Your original screenshots are either fabricated or incorrect. And they are what I was requesting data for. You have repeatedly failed to provide that but did provide two sources evidencing the opposite of what you claims.

To account for the increase in death rates, you are arguing coordinated murder took place, but will not evidence this.

So, you have confirmed death rates did increase, you originally tried to argue that they weren't an increase compared to 2002. I pointed out that we've made advances in medical science since then, and provided links evidencing such for the two leading causes of death. Eventually you gave up arguing that death rates from the 90s are comparable to those now, for which I am glad, but you are continuing to allege, without evidence, that the increase in death rates according to your own sources is due to murder.

All because you've decided that viruses don't exist.
 
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In actual numbers, here's the justification for the fear mongering and lockdowns (UK):

2017-18 excess winter deaths (due to flu etc.) = 49,410
2020-2021 excess winter deaths (due to sars-cov-2 etc.) = 63,000

Factored into the 2020-2021 figures is a significant decrease in excess deaths in the winter of 2019-2020 (compared to previous years), leaving a lot of 'dry tinder' for the following year.

Also, these numbers must be placed in the context of 500,000 - 600,000 all cause deaths every year in the UK. So 13,000 more last winter than a few years previous. What percentage is 13,000 of 600,000? 2%, roughly. So they declared a "deadly pandemic" on the basis of a 2% temporary rise in deaths, and destroyed far more lives than that through lockdowns and shuttering the health care system and the economy, spreading fear and loathing across society.
 
JGrimez said:
Factored into the 2020-2021 figures is a significant decrease in excess deaths in the winter of 2019-2020 (compared to previous years), leaving a lot of 'dry tinder' for the following year.
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A) you are omitting the fact that there were very few deaths from flu last winter, so almost all those excess deaths were covid, not your 13k
B) someone on your own side, denying the pandemic, has repeatedly shown that the worst months for deaths in 2020 were April and May, not in winter. There goes a lot of your 'dry tinder'
C) without the lock downs, our health care system would have been completely overwhelmed, which would have resulted in far more deaths. So you can't simultaneously argue against lockdowns and pretend you care about keeping the health care system functioning.
 
Does that mean that what they've been doing hasn't worked?
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@JGrimez

No, it doesn't. There were way more cases in 2021 than 2020. We need to know how many people would have died without the vaccines in order to determine how well they worked and we will never know that.

If you look at the data, the cases built up gradually over the course of 2020 as the virus spread around the world. It has peaked in 2021.

There is ample evidence, comparing the approaches of different countries, that what we are doing has worked.

Hard lockdowns fucking suck. I hate them, but they work. I'm not suggesting all lockdowns work. If you inject someone with a vaccine made entirely from pineapple juice that's not going to work, but it makes no sense to conclude that no vaccines will work because pineapple juice is ineffective.

Victoria had a major outbreak and we fucking squashed it with lockdown. NSW came out of lockdown in the middle of their biggest outbreak. They had record numbers of cases. They came out because we got to our vax target...

Lo, and behold: the vaccines are working in NSW. You either have another explanation or you don't. The vaccines work very well when 90+% of the pop is vaccinated. The NSW cases are mostly unvaxxed. Those who are vaxxed - relative to those who are not - are extremely unlikely to get sick, even less likely to be hospitalized and the odds of death are astronomically low.

I challenge either of you (@JGrimez / @-=SS=-) to have a focused discussion with me about NSW. I will change my username to whatever you like if I'm wrong.
 
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Pumpkin2021 said:
Damn, Fubz....I love ya but that is one fucked up thing to say. You want me to die and you think I am an idiot.

I'm glad you aren't in health care in the U.S.

There is so much hate in this thread it is pathetic. The comments people have made against one another, about a virus of all things, is atrocious. If everyone on here pounds their keyboard a little harder in an effort to be right and mock their fellow man I wonder where we will be next year when maybe Covid is under control. Who will win the great debate? Will it be the almighty vaxxed that want us all to die and be rid of us, or will it be the anti vaxxed that watch the others perish from complications?

So many in here should be ashamed of yourselves. Nobody is getting anywhere with their links and graphs and science because you are preaching to the choir. Never the twain shall meet and if you think anyone is going to win in this hateful thread you are mistaken. Covid din't divide us.....threads like this divide us.
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Your staff members participate in mob tactics to try and silence people they don't like or agree with on here. Pretty obvious.


And here they come, blowing up my notifications again already (FUBAR). Im not even speaking to them but let's see how many "so & so quoted your post" notifications I get today.

So basically FUBAR can harass the fuck out of people and wish death on them because he's "STAFF", but if they are a bluelighter, lovely ol' Mal3volent will come make sure you get a warning. Sounds like how you have a productive conversation to me, for sure!
 
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chinup said:
C) without the lock downs, our health care system would have been completely overwhelmed, which would have resulted in far more deaths. So you can't simultaneously argue against lockdowns and pretend you care about keeping the health care system functioning.
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This same bullshit argument is used for masks and vax passes. We can't go back and run the experiment again without the lockdowns to see if there is a difference, and yet we have countries like Sweden which did not implement lockdowns in the way many other nations did and have been just fine!!

This is classic projection. You say "Look! Look what we did!", without actually being able to prove what you did had any affect at all. You point to statistics that suit your narrative but then completely overlook the contradictory statistics from other nations that didn't implement those measures and were just fine. You can see it within nations (USA: Florida vs California) and you can see it between nations (Eng vs Sweden, Eng vs Wales/Scot). Rather than accept the obvious contradictions, the inevitable explanation reached for is some whimsical unproven, untested bullshit like "Oh, well Sweden does things differently, they're less densely population than we are", which only contradicts the official narrative further.

We didn't have masks during the first lockdown and we were just fine. The deaths were occurring in care homes and hospitals predominantly among the over 80's.

All throughout the contradictions are glaringly obvious, as are the ad-hoc bullshit explanations trotted out to try and paper over the gaps in the logic of the main narrative. Religious cult. Fucking delusional.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Your staff members participate in mob tactics to try and silence people they don't like or agree with on here. Pretty obvious.


And here they come, blowing up my notifications again already (FUBAR). Im not even speaking to them but let's see how many "so & so quoted your post" notifications I get today.

So basically FUBAR can harass the fuck out of people and wish death on them because he's "STAFF", but if they are a bluelighter, lovely ol' Mal3volent will come make sure you get a warning. Sounds like how you have a productive conversation to me, for sure!
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With all due respect mate, what the fuck are you banging on about here? Show me where I've been "harassing the fuck out of people" please.


Wind your neck in and get a grip before us STAFF all gang up and steal your dinner money... ;)
 
-=SS=- said:
Sweden which did not implement lockdowns in the way many other nations did and have been just fine
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Sweden deaths per million = 1,500
USA deaths per million = 2,400

Australia deaths per million = 80
NZ deaths per million = 9
 
-=SS=- said:
unproven, untested bullshit like "Oh, well Sweden does things differently, they're less densely population than we are", which only contradicts the official narrative further.
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The official narrative on Sweden is that it is less densely populated. Because, it is.

That's not to say all official narratives are true, but that one is.

Anecdotally, swedes voluntarily locked themselves down without needing a government to impose this. Given it didnt go well for them I'd debate that so don't treat that statement like a hill I'd die on. And still, many restrictions were imposed.

Given that by your preferred metric, death rate, they did not do well at all, I don't know why you are highlighting Sweden. According to Wikipedia (I know, but I'm on my phone cos I have no power so looking things up is a pain in the arse, I'llcorrect this later if needs be) they had the 52nd highest death rate in the world. Put of nearly 200 countries. That is piss poor.

Now, wheres that paper trail on the UK murdering its population to give the impression of a pandemic?
 
JGrimez said:
I remember the days before covid when no one ever died :rolleyes:

Despite Vaccines, the U.S. Has Lost More Lives to COVID This Year Than Last
Does that mean that what they've been doing hasn't worked?
So why keep doing it?
There's a few possible reasons for this, but none are good for the vaccine.
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I hate to be the one to tell you this: but that headline is in and of itself how all of this shit starts. If you see the headline on its own or out of context: it's damaging to say the least. Matter of fact: in their very own article they shoot their own headline to shit. The below got absolutely fuck all to do with vaccines! If nothing else: they're clearing demonstrating that the other measures instituted are actually effective.

"Experts say the higher death toll is a result of a confluence of factors: most crucially lower-than-needed vaccination rates, but also the relaxation of everyday precautions, like masks and social distancing, and the rise of the highly contagious delta variant.

Essentially, public health experts said, many Americans are behaving as if COVID-19 is now a manageable, endemic disease rather than a crisis — a transition that will happen eventually but has not happened yet."

Now couple all of that with those fucking talking heads on the video that you posted earlier today? Easy to see how shit happens.

I'm not qualified nor clued up enough on COVID stats to enter into the stats fray. But if I may here's my few cents:

Word to the wise: be careful when using Africa's stats. I myself have questioned their accuracy. Since this shit started (and until I lost interest in it all) I used to check stats daily. And it was always inconceivable to me that African countries North of us were not reporting a single infection or death on a given day or for a given period while we were in the thick of it. I'm talking about African countries with populations far higher than South Africa. This shit has never sat right with me. And also bear in mind: Africa is a different animal altogether. Population densities are nowhere near those of some of ya'll. So there's almost natural social distancing or fire breaks in place.

Also when it comes to stats: I'd be a very wealthy man if I had a few Dollars for every time some Western country has changed their method of data calculations i.e. what constitutes a COVID death and and what doesn't. This shit skews any statistics. In very much the same way as the Fentanyl statistics are fucked and meaningless in my opinion. Same shit as what is considered an OD and what is considered a drug poisoning. And then to decide which substance was the coup de grâce.

I'm doing pretty fucking well in staying out of this huh! :ROFLMAO:
 
birdup said:
I challenge either of you (@JGrimez / @-=SS=-) to have a focused discussion with me about NSW. I will change my username to whatever you like if I'm wrong.
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If someone is at this point still in favour of lockdowns then they are either profiting from the situation or they love authoritarianism. You should change your username to I<3Authoritarianism.
Have you been paying attention to the legislation they're trying to pass in Victoria?
 
JGrimez said:

Video: Some Swedes Are Getting Vaccine Passports On IMPLANTABLE MICROCHIPS​


Why not have ones COVID vaccination status applied to an implantable chip in order to participate in society?
summit.news

Video: Some Swedes Are Getting Vaccine Passports On IMPLANTABLE MICROCHIPS

Why not have ones COVID vaccination status applied to an implantable chip in order to participate in society?
summit.news
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Well at least if they get lost in the Alps somebody can scan them and call their owners! :ROFLMAO:
 
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