Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Jabberwocky]

Think of it this way, getting people to "accept vaccine passports" opens a doorway for much tighter social surveillance. What will we be required to do next in the name of "public safety"?

i take it you haven't travelled to one of the many countries that have required proof of vaccination against certain disease as a condition of entry for decades?

and tbh i think we should have more. the idea that we can go around spreading preventable disease cos we don't believe in the data backing the prevention method is the epitome of ill-informed selfish entitlement.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

How much does your pharm rep pay you to spout this nonsense?

Being anti-covid vaccine passports isn't "anti-vaxxer" no matter how much hyperbole you spew...



Yes, you're trying to convince some one who use to drink DXM, smoke meth, drink hard liqour & snort heroin, huff dust remover & sleep with HIV+people that they should be scared of catching the sniffles. You're gonna have to try harder.

Firstly, my response wasnt directed at you as I don't know what your beliefs are - it was simply a statement of fact.


Secondly, I'm not in the pocket of any 'pharm rep' unfortunately (I could do with several billion quid).


Thirdly, you've taken risks in life and survived. You've been lucky so far. But surely it's always better to minimise those risks where possible though?

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Firstly, my response wasnt directed at you as I don't know what your beliefs are - it was simply a statement of fact.


Secondly, I'm not in the pocket of any 'pharm rep' unfortunately (I could do with several billion quid).


Thirdly, you've taken risks in life and survived. You've been lucky so far. But surely it's always better to minimise those risks where possible though?

You mean like minimizing my (unknown) risk associated with gene therapy. by not taking it? Don't you agree that I should have the right to make those choices & choose what risks I want to take?

Oh wait, that's heresy and "anti-science".

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

See you all in hell.

I'll be down in a minute...

 

[dalpat077]

i take it you haven't travelled to one of the many countries that have required proof of vaccination against certain disease as a condition of entry for decades?

and tbh i think we should have more. the idea that we can go around spreading preventable disease cos we don't believe in the data backing the prevention method is the epitome of ill-informed selfish entitlement.

Some of these arguments and digging in of heels under different guises are amusing to say the least. You cannot even send and an animal (pet) to another country without there being proof of vaccinations etc.

I've said this before but I'll say it again: if COVID had the same symptoms as rabies or Ebola bet your ass there'd be far fewer deniers and a fuck pile of people in the queue for vaccines!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

You mean like minimizing my (unknown) risk associated with gene therapy. by not taking it?

Oh wait, that's heresy and "anti-science".

Ah, so you are an anti vaxxer.

Surprise, surprise...

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've said this before but I'll say it again: if COVID had the same symptoms as rabies or Ebola bet your ass there'd be far fewer deniers and a fuck pile of people in the queue for vaccines!

aerosolised ebola is one of my lab mates number 1 terrorism plans (we don't plan to go through with these, we just have conversations about the best way to do mass murder with bioweapons for some off reason). and it is relatively easy to aerosolise....

i personally would go for a crop pathogen. one for wheat, one for rice. its more effort to go to every fucking field, i'd need some sort of crop duster. and i'm not sure if the same pathogens would work for say, spring vs winter cultivars. so, just be glad i'm not a terrorist lol.

You mean like minimizing my (unknown) risk associated with gene therapy. by not taking it? Don't you agree that I should have the right to make those choices & choose what risks I want to take?

Oh wait, that's heresy and "anti-science".

mate we have so much data on the covid vaccines its untrue. there's a higher risk crossing the fucking road. its not a gene therapy by any sensible definition of the word. there is far more evidence of sars-cov2 incorporating itself into the human genome than mRNA from the vaccines. so if you're concerned about your genes remaining intact, then the vaccine is your better option.

i agree that you have the right to make choices when those choices don't affect others. the second your choices affect others, which vaccine-related ones do- i don't believe in the individuals right to refuse and retain their freedom to infect people. i'm not advocating forced vaccination. i'm advocating that if you break the social contract on your side, then it automatically is broken on the other, so public spaces are no longer open to you.

 

[dalpat077]

heart disease and cancer are consistently the biggest causes of death globally.

You could probably add "stupidity" and/or "gullibility" here.

 

[Jabberwocky]

argh god just thinking about haemmorhagic fevers gives me the chills. those guys are bastards.

right. i really need to do some work. so i should stop checking this thread. inevitably that means i will see you all in maybe 5 minutes.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Pointless arguing with people like yourselves.

Ditto.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

aerosolised ebola is one of my lab mates number 1 terrorism plans (we don't plan to go through with these, we just have conversations about the best way to do mass murder with bioweapons for some off reason). and it is relatively easy to aerosolise....

i personally would go for a crop pathogen. one for wheat, one for rice. its more effort to go to every fucking field, i'd need some sort of crop duster. and i'm not sure if the same pathogens would work for say, spring vs winter cultivars. so, just be glad i'm not a terrorist lol.



mate we have so much data on the covid vaccines its untrue. there's a higher risk crossing the fucking road. its not a gene therapy by any sensible definition of the word. there is far more evidence of sars-cov2 incorporating itself into the human genome than mRNA from the vaccines. so if you're concerned about your genes remaining intact, then the vaccine is your better option.

i agree that you have the right to make choices when those choices don't affect others. the second your choices affect others, which vaccine-related ones do- i don't believe in the individuals right to refuse and retain their freedom to infect people. i'm not advocating forced vaccination. i'm advocating that if you break the social contract on your side, then it automatically is broken on the other, so public spaces are no longer open to you.

THE VACCINATED CAN STILL TRANSMIT COVID.

Requiring a vaccine that DOESN'T WORK to have a job or participate anywhere else in society is WRONG. Period.

And you DO NOT know how every single person will react to mRNA. That's like saying everyone reacts the same to SSRI's. You don't KNOW how a person will react to something.

And your whole premise is on the assumption that people are "sick". Not because you know they are.

If that's the case, then maybe people should stop travelling ALTOGETHER, before it happens again.
I barely leave my place as it is, yet if people at the top were to start spreading another virus, it's MY job to go get injected for it? lol
Fuck that.

Anyways, my problem isn't with whether or not it's truly "safe & effective", it's about having the ability to make choices for your own health. Just like I think people should LEGALLY be allowed to use drugs, if they believe the drugs help them.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

You could probably add "stupidity" and/or "gullibility" here.

You forgot MEDICAL MALPRACTICE.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Ah, so you are an anti vaxxer.

Surprise, surprise...

Nice deflection.

And no, telling people to run out and take pharmaceutical injections, without knowing their reaction is the OPPOSITE of harm reduction.

 

[dalpat077]

Anybody that's got issues with vaccine passports and them being an infringement on your privacy and rights: watch this video!

WHEN China annexes New Zealand we can all login and watch @TripSitterNZ having breakfast and getting up to fuck knows what! Voyeuristic style i.e. no vaccine passport necessary! Fuck. Imagine the level of paranoia of your average Crack user in China!

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Awe, now I'm getting "warnings" from mal3volent.

So you're all allowed to call me "antivaxxer" and "nazi", but I call you pathetic and I get a warning. lol


You might as well ban my profile altogether, cause after seeing what kind of people run this site, I'm done with it.
I've learned a lot about pharmacology and what not here over the years, but I'm against censorship & mob tactics. Fuck BL.

 

[mal3volent]

No. Don't go. Please stop.

 

[Jabberwocky]

THE VACCINATED CAN STILL TRANSMIT COVID.

THE UNVACCINTED TRANSMIT IT AT MUCH HIGHER RATES!

And you DO NOT know how every single person will react to mRNA. That's like saying everyone reacts the same to SSRI's. You don't KNOW how a person will react to something.

you do know that there is mRNA in every cell of your body most if not all of the time. i am not saying everyone reacts the same, i'm getting bored of the number of strawmen you guys are pulling out.

and also, if you get covid, you will get way more foreign mRNA in your cells than if you get an mRNA vaccine. once in your cells, sars-cov2 will make a couple of copy errors every time, most of those are weeded out fast by natural selection, but you literally cannot predict which mutations will arise. we can predict much better what will happen if you have a covid vaccine. all of your fears suggest you should get yourself vaccinated ASAP.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Nice deflection.

And no, telling people to run out and take pharmaceutical injections, without knowing their reaction is the OPPOSITE of harm reduction.

Deflection? You fuckin admitted it!


How many untested and adulterated non pharmaceutical chemicals have you introduced to your body in the pursuit of pleasure?

Yet you get angry when you are advised to take something that can benefit society?


It's not all about you ya know...

 

[dalpat077]

THE VACCINATED CAN STILL TRANSMIT COVID.

The above has never ever been in dispute. But somehow (and there are many that are currently looking into this) the message that they cure COVID made it through to Joe Public.

Requiring a vaccine that DOESN'T WORK to have a job or participate anywhere else in society is WRONG. Period.

Actually they do work as advertised i.e. they're supposed to keep you out of ICU and minimize your chances of getting REALLY sick. There's no vaccine that claims the contrary. Not even Pfizer!

 

[dalpat077]

How many untested and adulterated non pharmaceutical chemicals have you introduced to your body in the pursuit of pleasure?

Guaranteed this post is gonna make me unpopular but fuck it. Here goes.

The irony of the arguments on a site such as this that it's your right to have a say in what you put in your body and it shouldn't be mandated for any reason vs. all drugs should be legalized and available in abundance and sponsored by the state as it is your right to put whatever you like into your body!

I'd be willing to bet that as I sit and type this there's more than one poor soul who wishes that the so-called war on drugs hasn't been more successful or that some asshole GP wasn't quite as liberal with the benzodiazepine prescriptions.