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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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chinup said:
bit harsh but they shouldn't be taking ICU beds off people who didn't bring this on themselves. especially given how much big pharma makes from that.

we kinda left the standard evolutionary path when we started modifying our environment to suit our needs rather than relying on random chance to be able to adapt to it. that was a little while ago. so natural selection in the typical form no longer really applies to humans. plus i'm gonna crispr the shit out of myself the second that becomes possible.
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Agreed. It's our survival instinct that leads us to fight disease in any way possible.

Anyone not wishing to help themselves must have a poor survival instinct and is therefore a potential threat to our future evolution as a species.
 
chinup said:
i went to a greek archaelogical site while on holiday this year, and there was a dentist in our tour group (i know this has the flavour of my brothers friends barmans cat said, but that seems to be considered a reliable source here) and there were some pictures of skulls. he described in detail what was up with their teeth and jaws, and how painful that would have been, and in one case he speculated that the damage to the jaw caused by a dental abcess was the cause of death, as without antibiotics it likely would have lead to sepsis. it was horrendous.
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Very interesting. And thanks for posting about this. Yip. That's exactly how I understood things from the lectures and debates that I've watched.

I'll tell you this much for fun: about two years ago I had a tooth abscess. Had I had access to a shotgun at the time? Not sure if that'd have counted statistically speaking.

And here's a fun "fact" or study: we're headed for more shit in the long run:

www.bbc.com

Hidden pandemic of antibiotic-resistant infections, health officials warn

Antibiotics should be taken only when really needed - and not for coughs, colds or sore throats.
www.bbc.com
 
dalpat077 said:
Very interesting. And thanks for posting about this. Yip. That's exactly how I understood things from the lectures and debates that I've watched.

I'll tell you this much for fun: about two years ago I had a tooth abscess. Had I had access to a shotgun at the time? Not sure if that'd have counted statistically speaking.
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oh god i've never had one but my boyf has had one. i called our NHS 111 number, and they wouldn't let me speak on his behalf, because he could not give his consent, cos he was screaming in pain, which they could hear.

dalpat077 said:
And here's a fun "fact" or study: we're headed for more shit in the long run:

www.bbc.com

Hidden pandemic of antibiotic-resistant infections, health officials warn

Antibiotics should be taken only when really needed - and not for coughs, colds or sore throats.
www.bbc.com
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antibiotic resistance really bugs me.

i used to have a friend who fucking loved this little bacteria called streptomyces, the type she studied was very good at killing other bacteria cos it lived in soil where its a kinda kill or be killed situation. in her lab they had loads of proposals for novel antibiotics. and they weren't special, we have loads of ideas for novel antibiotics. but pharmaceutical companies aren't interested cos you tend to go on them for 2 weeks max, less profit. we really need someone to fucking step up and just invest to get some of the novel proposals for antibiotics to pre clinincal, and then if they look promising, clinical trials.

also said friend left antibiotic treated petri dishes out in the open in her lab, not sure you're supposed to do that but hey, they got colonised. there are antibiotic resistant bacteria just floating around in the air.

a lot of people who work in my field, microbial metagenomics, look specifically for antimicrobial resistance genes. and find them basically everywhere they look.
 
chinup said:
so what is your explanation for the decrease in death rates from 2003 until the pandemic? i said outright i was surprised it could have caused that big a change that quickly, but at least i offered an explanation. i'm not denying the death rates were worse 30 years ago, i'm saying that the progress we have made as a species is what caused them to improve since then.

you didn't have a smartphone in 2003. or 3g,4g,5g, fibre broadband. fuck your laptop battery didn't last, you couldn't get wifi everywhere, you didn't even sign in digitally at the drs. d so on't argue that technology hasn't improved since then. 80s kids like me have witnessed revolutions in every area, i remember my dad getting an email in 1992 and saying that was revolutionary. i didn't understand at the time cos i was 6 but he was right. these improvements extend to medical science, in fact they are more pronounced there because that research is better funded. look at the pace of advancements in medicine prior to and post the human genome project, like look at them, and tell me it made no difference.

and, again. the actual links for the tables you posted. its starting to look like they are from such a dodgy source you're embarrased to post them. why don't you just show the courage of your convictions and post them. its hilarious to be accused of deflecting when i've asked you the same question multiple times and you haven't responded. you tried to make it look like they came from a reputable source, but untl you've proved otherwise, its safe to conclude they do not- since they contradict many reputable sources.

i'd prefer a better source, but i'm tired so here is a page with a graph showing life expectancy suddenly decreasing as the pandemic hit, after steadily increasing for decades. the sources on this page are PHE and ONS:

www.kingsfund.org.uk

What is happening to life expectancy in England?

Veena Raleigh examines trends in life expectancy at birth up to 2021 and the impact of Covid-19 in 2020 and 2021, gender differences, inequalities, causes of the changing trends since 2011, and how the UK’s life expectancy compares with other countries.
www.kingsfund.org.uk www.kingsfund.org.uk
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Yes, you are. You are deflecting from the very simple point:

WHY, during a "super scary deadly pandemic", is the death rate (both 'crude' and 'standardized') for 2020 LESS than all the individual years 1990 - 2003.

I'm not interested in a gradual trend downwards in mortality rate. I'm interested in WHY a pandemic is not even breaking the death rate for those 13 years that were less than 30 years ago. Very simple logic here. Either those 13 years were also pandemic years where people were dropping like flies, or, 2020 is an unremarkable year. It's obvious which one it is: 99% survival rate of the disease associated with this pandemic, we can see with our own eyes that people are not dropping like flies.

This pandemic only exists on TV. It's complete and utter bullshit. The ONS statistics prove it. The fact that cities like Dhaka and Mumbai didn't turn into slaughterhouses during 2020 proves it as well.

You can deflect all you like. I know it, you know, deep down everyone knows it. We're being bullshitted and it's not even half convincing.
 
-=SS=- said:
WHY, during a "super scary deadly pandemic", is the death rate (both 'crude' and 'standardized') for 2020 LESS than all the individual years 1990 - 2003.
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for the billionth time. because medical science has improved.

how do you account for the significant decrease in the death rate in 2003?

and, also for the billionth time, please post the actual sources for the tables you posted. like a link to the page where we can see those exact tables.
 
-=SS=- said:
WHY, during a "super scary deadly pandemic", is the death rate (both 'crude' and 'standardized') for 2020 LESS than all the individual years 1990 - 2003.
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Are you talking about America or the world?

Can you post a link to back this up?
 
chinup said:
for the billionth time. because medical science has improved.

how do you account for the significant decrease in the death rate in 2003?

and, also for the billionth time, please post the actual sources for the tables you posted. like a link to the page where we can see those exact tables.
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That's it? That's your explanation? Give me a fucking break. 99% of people are just fine and that has nothing to do with medical science at all, it has to do with the fact that this disease is a charade. As evidenced by the fact the average age of morality is above the national average, and that the only other significantly affected groups are the obese and those with several comorbidities i.e. all people who are at risk of dying soon anyway.

I'm not interested in the gradual decrease. That's irrelevant. It could be demographically related, who knows, who fucking cares, it has absolutely no bearing on the fact that 2020 is not a deadly year at all.

I got the tables from twitter. "Ah-ha!" I hear you thinking. So fucking what. They are clearly ONS data tables (look at the key years with high peaks), it correlates. Doesn't change the fact that the ONS link I provided shows exactly the same thing, years 1990 - 2003 were worse than 2020 (and it also shows your uninteresting distraction of the gradual decrease over time).

birdup said:
Are you talking about America or the world?

Can you post a link to back this up?
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Go back a couple of pages, I posted information from the ONS (Office for National Statistics) in the UK that shows the overall deaths for 1990 - 2020 each year. If it's bullshit here, it's bullshit everywhere.
 
At the risk of throwing my name away here and being perceived as an idiot:

We're two years down now and counting with this COVID shit. And try as I might: I don't get these arguments.

If this were all just some conspiracy by governments (and as some believe a supposed NWO) in order to gain control: what's the upside for them? So all of us "sheeples" will become poorer and more disenfranchised and the divide between us and them will become wider. And then? History shows that there is no more a guaranteed way to get thrown out of power than to try keep people down and impoverished. And if all us "sheeples" die: who is going to be left to do their bidding? Doesn't make any logical sense to me. And if there's any truth to all of this: it sure is a fucking long winded way of going about things in order to gain the upper hand and control.

My other argument for deniers (which I've made before): I'm not going to have the death rate and numbers argument. But as I noted in the post to which I was referring: I've not seen people dropping like flies. But I've seen ICU units that are filled to the brim with people on the verge. Right there is proof that there's something going around and it ain't simply seasonal flu either.
 
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heart disease and cancer are consistently the biggest causes of death globally.

here's a timeline for heart disease, and you will note a decrease in mortality over time, handily they have included novel treatments on the graph. i shouldn't need to spell it out, but the people with heart disease before each novel treatment, did not have access to that treatment, which means they were more likely to die if that treatment was pertinent to their condition.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000652

here is similar for cancer. note that most of the actual treatments are from the 1990s onwards, which means, people who got cancer before then did not receive that treatment. are you able to connect these dots now?

https://www.cancer.gov/research/progress/250-years-milestones

also see this, death rates are going down and 5 year survival rates are going up:

https://ourworldindata.org/cancer

so as you see, since the 1990s, we have made huge progress in treating the two major causes of death. this means that you cannot compare deaths from, say 1995 when a ground breaking drug for advanced breast cancer was released, to deaths in 2005, by which time a slew of novel cancer fighting drugs was available to patients.

@-=SS=- i'm really struggling to see how this is so difficult to understand. you can't compare 1990-2003 death data to death data now, because the leading causes of death under normal circumatances have treatments that did not exist then.
 
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dalpat077 said:
At the risk of throwing my name away here and being perceived as an idiot:
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i don't think you are making yourself look like an idiot, but i think you, like me, have an expectation of consistency from people making these arguments, when they aren't even consistent within (let alone between) their own posts.

maybe thinking internal consistency is important is the mark of a sheeple with no critical thinking skills?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
The unvaccinated should just be left to die rather than wasting valuable resources on them - after all, that's obviously what they want.

It'll help cleanse the gene pool of idiots...
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LOL

And to think you're a staff member on a "harm reduction" forum.


Still waiting to "die from the scary virus, that I had no part in creating or funding" after 2 years of the 'deadliest pandemic' in history.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
And to think you're a staff member on a "harm reduction" forum.
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Well arguably, and if some of the latest threads and posts on this are anything to go by, he (@F.U.B.A.R.) made some good points and that could be construed as HR for some! :ROFLMAO: Imagine what it must be like going to bed at night and worrying about the NWO and then spending the rest of your day worrying about the same thing. That's no way to live! :ROFLMAO:
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
LOL

And to think you're a staff member on a "harm reduction" forum.


Still waiting to "die from the scary virus, that I had no part in creating or funding" after 2 years of the 'deadliest pandemic' in history.
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Vaccinations are the epitome of harm reduction.


Unfortunately, there are many here who oppose this basic idea...
 
dalpat077 said:
At the risk of throwing my name away here and being perceived as an idiot:

We're two years down now and counting with this COVID shit. And try as I might: I don't get these arguments.

If this were all just some conspiracy by governments (and as some believe some a supposed NWO) in order to gain control: what's the upside for them? So all of us "sheeples" will become poorer and more disenfranchised and the divide between us and them will become wider. And then? History shows that there is no more a guaranteed way to get thrown out of power than to try keep people down and impoverished. And if all us "sheeples" die: who is going to be left to do their bidding? Doesn't make any logical sense to me. And if there's any truth to all of this: it sure is a fucking long winded way of going about things in order to gain the upper hand and control.

My other argument for deniers (which I've made before): I'm not going to have the death rate and numbers argument. But as I noted in the post to which I was referring: I've not seen people dropping like flies. But I've seen ICU units that are filled to the brim with people on the verge. Right there is proof that there's something going around and it ain't simply seasonal flu either.
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I don't think it's simply about "depopulation".

Think of it this way, getting people to "accept vaccine passports" opens a doorway for much tighter social surveillance. What will we be required to do next in the name of "public safety"?

"Kill yourself, for world peace!".

There's also going to be automatons taking over more jobs in the future though.
 
dalpat077 said:
Well arguably, and if some of the latest threads and posts on this are anything to go by, he (@F.U.B.A.R.) made some good points and that could be construed as HR for some! :ROFLMAO: Imagine what it must be like going to bed at night and worrying about the NWO and then spending the rest of your day worrying about the same thing. That's no way to live! :ROFLMAO:
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LOL

Imagine thinking a cold is more scary than government corruption & authoritarianism.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Vaccinations are the epitome of harm reduction.


Unfortunately, there are many here who oppose this basic idea...
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How much does your pharm rep pay you to spout this nonsense?

Being anti-covid vaccine passports isn't "anti-vaxxer" no matter how much hyperbole you spew...



Yes, you're trying to convince some one who use to drink DXM, smoke meth, drink hard liqour & snort heroin, huff dust remover & sleep with HIV+people that they should be scared of catching the sniffles. You're gonna have to try harder.
 
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